Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[IrishSpartan]

Isn’t Mendoza on the board?

 

[thekid33]

The circumstances are different than an OC that had a choice between two jobs and picked one over the other.

Utah is very specific and unique the person in question, and he's currently employed there. It's his third stint there and they have a head coach who has been there since he replaced URBAN MEYER when he left for Florida. He didn't really choose Utah over ND, he choose to stay at Utah.

If this was Johnny O'Malley from Mt. Carmel HS in Chicago and he had a choice between ND and Utah with zero ties to Utah, yeah, I'd be kinda like "WTF?"

That's probably fair

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Is the buyout excuse just a smokescreen? Maybe he just wasn’t the guy. Could be MF has someone else in mind and JS is taking the heat. Just spitballing, but the number isn’t THAT absurd considering what gets thrown around. Tommy was making 2 mil last year. 2.8 buyout plus couple mil in salary for Ludwig. I know he’s a good coach but how many thought he was a must have a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully there’s a plan.

They wouldn't willingly humiliate themselves like this. This is bad. Very rarely does the fanbase unite, but this has been a really loud squeal.

 

[irishog77]

The circumstances are different than an OC that had a choice between two jobs and picked one over the other.

Utah is very specific and unique the person in question, and he's currently employed there. It's his third stint there and they have a head coach who has been there since he replaced URBAN MEYER when he left for Florida. He didn't really choose Utah over ND, he choose to stay at Utah.

If this was Johnny O'Malley from Mt. Carmel HS in Chicago and he had a choice between ND and Utah with zero ties to Utah, yeah, I'd be kinda like "WTF?"

Yep. And he's originally from Utah. And LDS, I believe. He's probably got a great thing going and a pretty sweet life there.

But I also think it's a pretty big assumption that he didn't want the job. Actions indicate he was at least interested. Nobody is flying to South Bend, IN for a weekend, in the middle of winter, no less, that isn't at least warm to the idea of taking a job at ND.

Doubt we'll ever hear the actual story of what transpired, but if the buyout and contract stories are even partially true, I do believe Ludwig then, personally, played a role in his own inability to come to ND. He made some sort of error or mistake with his own contract.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

They wouldn't willingly humiliate themselves like this. This is bad. Very rarely does the fanbase unite, but this has been a really loud squeal.

I don’t know man. They’re too smart to be caught off guard this bad. Something just doesn’t seem right.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I don’t know man. They’re too smart to be caught off guard this bad. Something just doesn’t seem right.

Sounds like they very much were caught off guard

Woeful negligence

 

[Sea Turtle]

I don’t know man. They’re too smart to be caught off guard this bad. Something just doesn’t seem right.

Driskell and Ryan are still pretty upset. They are saying that they learned things today from sources that make all of this even worse on ND's part.

I was hoping that he got cold feet at the last second and ND panicked and try to save face. I guess not.

 

[thekid33]

They are saying that they learned things today from sources that make all of this even worse on ND's part.

I can't even imagine what would be worse at this point.

 

[NDRock]

I don’t know man. They’re too smart to be caught off guard this bad. Something just doesn’t seem right.

I never underestimate people’s ability to screw things up, no matter how smart they are supposed to be.

 

[irishff1014]

Driskell and Ryan are still pretty upset. They are saying that they learned things today from sources that make all of this even worse on ND's part.

I was hoping that he got cold feet at the last second and ND panicked and try to save face. I guess not.

I am watched him for the first time last night and he was upset just like a lot of us were. However, do you really think he has a source that would tell him anything after last night?

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I never underestimate people’s ability to screw things up, no matter how smart they are supposed to be.

Absolutely, I have seen massive lapses by the smartest people in the room. Smart does not equal perfect, sometimes they like the smell of their own farts to much and get locked in the car with the heat on.

 

[stlnd01]

I can't even imagine what would be worse at this point.

The bad thing would be the degree of misalignment between Freeman, Swarbrick, and Jenkins/BOT.
We don’t actually know where in the chain of command the decision to not pay $2.8M to buy out a coordinator’s contract was made.
If it was Freeman’s call, OK. He runs the program, he prioritized something else. If it was the BOT, there’s a much bigger issue.

 

[ColinKSU]

I don’t know man. They’re too smart to be caught off guard this bad. Something just doesn’t seem right.

Occam's razor - Wikipedia

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[Irish eyes]

Go

I think at the end of day. To do buy out plus pay the OC ... Would be more than there paying Freeman. And they would have to extend a 1 st year contract... Witch they will not ever do.

 

[Irish eyes]

I think at the end of day. To do buy out plus pay the OC ... Would be more than there paying Freeman. And they would have to extend a 1 st year contract... Witch they will not ever do.

Freeman isnt making big money

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Freeman isnt making big money

Welcome

 

[Grahambo]

I have a feeling his response isn’t going to be the kind angry Notre Dame fans wish it’d be.

I can’t invest energy into this other than some silliness. It’s all ridiculous.

 

[Dale]

The whisper in the profession today though was that at some level there remained dialogue between Notre Dame parties and folks at Utah.

https://footballscoop.com/news/team-footballscoop-update-at-notre-dame

 

[Dale]

“There’s also the matter of several members of the current Irish staff producing to a level likely worthy of increased financial compensation; multiple other Power 5 programs have expressed interest in Irish assistants this cycle, from Chansi Stuckey to Mike Mickens and others.”

https://footballscoop.com/news/team-footballscoop-update-at-notre-dame

Seems to indicate ND probably isn’t willing to spend for Ludwig and Harding at the expense of Mickens, Stuckey etc

Worthwhile article. Also mentions Lewis, Parker and other stuff.

 

[Huntr]

The whisper in the profession today though was that at some level there remained dialogue between Notre Dame parties and folks at Utah.

https://footballscoop.com/news/team-footballscoop-update-at-notre-dame

"Lower it to $1.5 and we'll schedule a home and home."

 

[Dale]

It makes much more sense if ND was not surprised by the buyout, but rather surprised by Utah’s unwillingness to negotiate.

Talks between ND parties and Utah folks sounds outside of Freeman and Ludwig’s control.

 

[choo choo]

After this they should

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

My dude? I don’t know you Jack. If you don’t like it, feel free to ignore if you don’t like my jokes. Or just fuck off. Up to you.

Someones a pretty sensitive internet tough guy.

 

[Irish4life]

It makes much more sense if ND was not surprised by the buyout, but rather surprised by Utah’s unwillingness to negotiate.

Talks between ND parties and Utah folks sounds outside of Freeman and Ludwig’s control.

Best pray that ND and Utah find a way to work this out.....and that if they don't, ND can still pivot to Lewis or Candle. If it's one of those 3, we are in business IMO.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Maybe some posturing going on here. He was obviously interested in the job. Probably not a great idea for Utah to play hardball with the guy after he spent a couple of days on campus and wanted the job.

 

[stlnd01]

“There’s also the matter of several members of the current Irish staff producing to a level likely worthy of increased financial compensation; multiple other Power 5 programs have expressed interest in Irish assistants this cycle, from Chansi Stuckey to Mike Mickens and others.”

https://footballscoop.com/news/team-footballscoop-update-at-notre-dame

Seems to indicate ND probably isn’t willing to spend for Ludwig and Harding at the expense of Mickens, Stuckey etc

Worthwhile article. Also mentions Lewis, Parker and other stuff.

Also mentions Gino Guidugli, which would be interesting.

 

[thekid33]

Give them a million and a game at ND.

 

[Dale]

Is there a rep from Under Armor in the room?

Whittingham gets paid in part by UA:

“The pay increase includes money not only from Whittingham's raise from Utah ($6.5 million), but Under Armour and Learfield as well ($1.5 million).”

Kyle Whittingham Signs New Contract, Gets Raise

Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham is in for a big pay raise (and a new contract) after the Rose Bowl success of his 2021 football team.

kslsports.com

“Why did Notre Dame leave Under Armour?

Let me tell you a story about Andy Ludwig”

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Someones a pretty sensitive internet tough guy.

Man look under my screen name. It tells you exactly where to find me! Now stop stalking me and clogging up threads. I’ve got shit to talk.

 

[stlnd01]

Is there a rep from Under Armor in the room?

Whittingham gets paid in part by UA:

“The pay increase includes money not only from Whittingham's raise from Utah ($6.5 million), but Under Armour and Learfield as well ($1.5 million).”

Kyle Whittingham Signs New Contract, Gets Raise

Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham is in for a big pay raise (and a new contract) after the Rose Bowl success of his 2021 football team.

kslsports.com

“Why did Notre Dame leave Under Armour?

Let me tell you a story about Andy Ludwig”

For Pete's sake, Swarbrick's kid is the head of collegiate sports marketing at Under Armour. Our apparel contract is up for renewal. Maybe time we throw a little weight around here.