Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[Armyirish47]

Shaun Davis said it best we as fans have been taken for granite, ND knows no matter what if we are 12-0 or 1-12 fans will still show up and spend hundreds of dollars every weekend on food, parking passes, bookstore and tickets.

Agreed, many people in this thread have been quite igneous.

 

[ND4LIFE]

Is it not fair to assume that the school would drive revenue to a greater extent by paying the buyout? The right OC takes this offense to a level it hasn't been in quite some time. High scoring offenses drives viewership, which leads to national attention, which leads to more fans, which means more revenue. Not to mention better recruiting, better teams, more wins...etc!

 

[Irishdrunk]

First time poster...long time listener. As a life long fan I went to bed with a sense of anticipation of the upward trajectory of this staff, team, program overall as a whole. This morning, wow....wake up to the typical shitshow that we've become all to familiar with. As my username states...was never of fan of the previous coach. The energy Freeman has brought in has been a much needed shot in the arm, makes you wonder how quickly he will realize the opposition from the administration and look for greener pastures much like Mr Brunt Ends. Promoting Gerad parker will be a major letdown, a failure you could call it. If I'm Sam Hartman, I think I'd be noticing this shit show and considering hitting the portal again unfortunately

Your screenname shows your ignorance. Starting with "FU BK" on a day like today. BK was smart for leaving as he knew what I knew and ND just showed again - ND isn't serious about going to National Titles. "FU JS" would have been a better start. Do better.

 

[Dale]

$4 mill is nothing to a program like ND. They can pinch pennies all they want and that's not saying there isn't a limit.

Just that in major college football in 2023, $4 mill isn't it.

You’re justifying a number created to be intentionally overly prohibitive. Thats the entire point of the contract.

Acknowledging that $4 million for Andy Ludwig+ is ridiculous isn’t a support of how ND handled this. He should have just never been interviewed.

 

[Irishdrunk]

You’re justifying a number created to be intentionally overly prohibitive. Thats the entire point of the contract.

Acknowledging that $4 million for Andy Ludwig+ is ridiculous isn’t a support of how ND handled this. He should have just never been interviewed.

True but it demonstrates what Kelly knew when he left. ND isn't fully committed to chasing National Titles like so many other programs are. Its an awful truth that many need to accept more fully.

 

[USMCVandy]

I disagree. USC paid $6 million in buyouts for Lincoln Riley, Grinch (DC), WRs, CBs, LBs and the strength coach. The number is only $1.5 without Riley attached.

Basically Ludwig and Harding’s buyout was actually closer to that of Lincoln Riley himself than assistants.

Ludwig doesn’t even come close to fulfill the value assigned to that $$$. They should have just known that two weeks ago is the only issue.

I agree with everything you're saying here. What I can't wrap my head around is, how many times does ND have to look stupid before they figure how to properly screen a candidate (O'Leary & now Ludwig)? Not to mention the lack of support it shows your HC. WTH?

 

[irish2104]

We make significantly less TV revenue than a Purdue and people are surprised that we have trouble financing the staff. There is a reason USC/UCLA jumped to the Big Ten. Gate revenue is borderline irrelevant in the grand scheme of things... media rights, apparel, and donations float the boat.

So my understanding right now is the with the move to streaming tv networks are DESPERATE for sports... it is the only thing that consistently brings in subscribers. How in the world does ND not have a major tv deal in place? Why do they always settle for less? I have always been a Swarbrick fan but the TR hiring and leaving debacle, TV deal, NIL and now this have been embarrassing... we need fresh blood with all the college football changes.. he did nail down the playoff expansion which I support but this is not a good luck right now at all...

 

[Irish#1]

I think what Lax was getting at though is the big ten has contracts that guarantee that money...even to crappy, also-rans like Purdue.

Sure, ND knows money will be coming in through ticket sales, merchandise, donations, etc. But KNOWING you're guaranteed 75mil a year just through conference association in broadcasting rights changes the entire dynamic for all other forms of revenue.

You really think if they were getting 75 million a year the BoT would think any different? It would just mean more for the coffers.

 

[irishff1014]

It's going to be frickin Leftwich SMH

Better than Parker.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Better than Parker.

Much better... The admin will spin it as a big splash hire.

 

[ColinKSU]

Loy's saying his best guess is it will be Parker.

Notre Dame is going to win 8 games, average around 30 PPG and it's going to be what the program deserves. He's a terrible OC.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Loy's saying his best guess is it will be Parker.

You got to be kidding me. That would be a disgrace.

 

[rtrn2glory]

It's beginning to be embarrassing to be a ND football fan.

 

[ColinKSU]

You got to be kidding me. That would be a disgrace.

We've already crossed the disgrace threshold.

 

[Irishbounty28]

Everyone is acting as if the offer extended to Ludwig wasn't controlled by ND.

Example A: ND offers Ludwig the job regardless of buyout, but then backs out after failing to negotiate said buyout down.
Example B: ND speaks with Ludwig about the job, and extends an offer which is dependent on the buyout being negotiated down. ND is unable to reduce the buyout, and therefore the offer is not actionable.

The spin on this whole situation is incredible...

Without context, and only a shred of information from the media folks, it is absolutely impossible to suggest ND screwed the pooch on this one. I would be willing to bet this situation was more along the lines of Example B all along, but that doesn't generate clicks.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If you have not already begun to understand why Kelly and Rees left for SEC schools, start putting some thought into the matter.

The Board and Administration had better understand what they have in Marcus Freeman soon or he's gone to the first team that comes calling for him. At some point, just deal with the fact that football is one of the hands that feed you. The social mobility for Chris Zorich, Tony Rice, etc. was a good thing and could be again.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

We've already crossed the disgrace threshold.

PATHETICALLY disgraceful

 

[Irishdrunk]

The fact that the Alumni isn't demanding JS to be fired tells you how uninvolved they are. This shit wouldn't be tolerated at OSU and many other programs. ND isn't committed. That is the hard truth to accept.

 

[NDMD]

Loy's saying his best guess is it will be Parker.

Notre Dame is going to win 8 games, average around 30 PPG and it's going to be what the program deserves. He's a terrible OC.

While that may be true Loy spouts plenty of bullshit so I'm not going to start gnashing teeth yet

 

[IrishTusker]

Just a reminder that ND is now making people pay to walk through the tunnel on the Friday before a game. $10 I think? This isn't a "recommended donation" for NIL or something. It was free to do this until a couple of years ago, and many people who don't come to ND often like to do it.

 

[Huntr]

You’re justifying a number created to be intentionally overly prohibitive. Thats the entire point of the contract.

Acknowledging that $4 million for Andy Ludwig+ is ridiculous isn’t a support of how ND handled this. He should have just never been interviewed.

Im saying that that number is intended to be prohibitive but should only be so for lesser programs. Apparently it is for ND.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Starting the search over now, what about Brian Lindgren and Jim Michalczik from Oregon State. It seems like they put together pretty good units and that's at Oregon State.

Lindgren is due to make $800k in 2023 while Michalczik is at $600k. And because this is apparently something we have to worry about now, apparently their buyouts are only $50,000 each.

Oregon State increases assistant football coaching salary pool to $4.335 million for 2022 season

Offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren has the team's top assistant coach's salary at $775,000 for the 2022 season

www.oregonlive.com

 

[phork]

We aren’t getting Kyle Whittingham too.

There is no justification needed IMO for $4 mil on Ludwig and Harding. It’s an unreasonable number. That’s the whole point of the contract.

There is also no justification for how it played out, if accurate. Both can be true.

Its not unreasonable if thats the guy you want. The price goes up from here. This is the new landscape.

 

[ColinKSU]

Starting the search over now, what about Brian Lindgren and Jim Michalczik from Oregon State. It seems like they put together pretty good units and that's at Oregon State.

Lindgren is due to make $800k in 2023 while Michalczik is at $600k. And because this is apparently something we have to worry about now, apparently their buyouts are only $50,000 each.

Oregon State increases assistant football coaching salary pool to $4.335 million for 2022 season

Offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren has the team's top assistant coach's salary at $775,000 for the 2022 season

www.oregonlive.com

What makes you think Notre Dame's willing to pay $50k for a buyout?

 

[Irishdrunk]

It's beginning to be embarrassing to be a ND football fan.

Its only embarrassing if you actually think ND is truly in the hunt for a Natty. We have never been serious as so many other schools. This is why the National Press collectively laughs at ND. Its the truth that many ND fans don't want to accept. Its been this way ever since they squeezed Holtz out.

The joke isn't on the ND Admin. Swarbrick is making millions a year. The program is making tens of millions a year. The university has the funds to compete but doesn't to invest in it. But its been this way for DECADES.

The joke is on YOU for thinking that ND Admin is serious about winning. The joke is on you for thinking ND is a serious contender.

I don't care like that because I already knew this was the reality. This is just another manifestation of ND not being competitive.

 

[zbikowski88]

Loy is just going to double down on Parker & Chip because he has no idea without Rees there

 

[irishff1014]

Loy's saying his best guess is it will be Parker.

Notre Dame is going to win 8 games, average around 30 PPG and it's going to be what the program deserves. He's a terrible OC.

I saw that too.

 

[irishog77]

You really think if they were getting 75 million a year the BoT would think any different? It would just mean more for the coffers.

Maybe, maybe not.

The point is ND does NOT have the guaranteed money that ~90% of shit big ten teams do have in that regard. I think Lax's point (and definitely mine), is that those TV contracts are game-changers.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Starting the search over now, what about Brian Lindgren and Jim Michalczik from Oregon State. It seems like they put together pretty good units and that's at Oregon State.

Lindgren is due to make $800k in 2023 while Michalczik is at $600k. And because this is apparently something we have to worry about now, apparently their buyouts are only $50,000 each.

Oregon State increases assistant football coaching salary pool to $4.335 million for 2022 season

Offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren has the team's top assistant coach's salary at $775,000 for the 2022 season

www.oregonlive.com

He was on my extended short list. I would make a run at him forsure. Also, can we make a run at the two PSU guys please? Trying to speak this into existance.

Also, is Ludwig dead in the water, or is the staff/school trying to work something out?

 

[rtrn2glory]

So here's the rundown....we've either been told no, or we've said no to our roughly 3-5 top choices?

8-4 is our 2023 ceiling.