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[ND4LIFE]

Notre Dame football: Irish swing and miss on Ludwig

Andy Ludwig will not leave Utah to join the Notre Dame football program according to one of the top reporters in college football, Pete Thamel.

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Not a great look!

 

[benneboy]

I've been too committed to this football program for too long too bail, but some fucking reciprocation would be nice.

 

[irishff1014]

It's going to be Parker.

This would set the program backwards years IMO.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Shaun Davis said it best we as fans have been taken for granite, ND knows no matter what if we are 12-0 or 1-12 fans will still show up and spend hundreds of dollars every weekend on food, parking passes, bookstore and tickets.

 

[irishog77]

With all due respect, I don’t buy that for a second. Notre Dame is swimming in cash. The university and campus hasn’t stopped growing since I’ve been alive.

I think what Lax was getting at though is the big ten has contracts that guarantee that money...even to crappy, also-rans like Purdue.

Sure, ND knows money will be coming in through ticket sales, merchandise, donations, etc. But KNOWING you're guaranteed 75mil a year just through conference association in broadcasting rights changes the entire dynamic for all other forms of revenue.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Rather have Mcculogh over Parker if they are gonna keep it in house.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I've been too committed to this football program for too long too bail, but some fucking reciprocation would be nice.

Yeah, they just expect you to not question and blindly follow. They will wave the flag of superior academics and values all while charging through the nose for crap.

 

[Irishdrunk]

They don't want to pay a buyout? Fine. Then they better pony up the money for a big contract for a real good coordinator because perception is reality and the perception is really fucking bad right now.

HELLO>>>> The ND Administration DOES NOT CARE. That is your issue if you think they do. Winning a Natty is not a real goal. Fans that think otherwise are stupid as fuck.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Where’s the spin?

 

[ndfanatic78]

We make significantly less TV revenue than a Purdue and people are surprised that we have trouble financing the staff. There is a reason USC/UCLA jumped to the Big Ten. Gate revenue is borderline irrelevant in the grand scheme of things... media rights, apparel, and donations float the boat.

Note Dame football is the second most valuable program in the nation. Second to only Texas. No one truly knows what ND makes off the NBC deal because ND is private and has never disclosed it. Any references to it have only been guesses.ND generates massive amounts more revenue than Purdue. They aren’t anywhere in the same league.

 

[irishog77]

I wonder if there is any feasible path back to Ludwig?

When ut was set to hire Schiano several years ago, the fan base raged and ultimately nixed the hiring. Is there enough rage (or one donor to offer the buyout money) to reverse the decision? Even if that were the case, is there now too much water under the bridge anyway for MF or Ludwig to reconsider?

 

[Huntr]

Every blue blood and near blue blood (except maybe Nebraska) would pay that kind of money to get their guy. $4 mill in assistant buyouts is nothing to a program that makes as much as ND does.

ND is always behind in the arms race, largely due to the people in charge not understanding the game. I'm not saying they need a lazy river or a putt putt course, but they drag their feet on facilities, amenities, NIL, and now assistant costs.

 

[Rizzophil]

There is really no issue in my mind with not being willing to pay that amount for Ludwig and possibly Harding.

The process is the issue and unnecessarily embarrassing. If this would have started with they won’t pursue Ludwig because of the buyout, that would have been perfectly reasonable.

I don’t understand this opinion that it’s because we have less money than other schools. Most, if not all other schools wouldn’t pay that buyout.

I agree with this

Why go down this road if we weren’t going to cough up the buyout. Doesn’t make sense to me. And why make it public and a two day ‘interview’ for no reason

 

[Dale]

Every blue blood and near blue blood (except maybe Nebraska) would pay that kind of money to get their guy. $4 mill in assistant buyouts is nothing to a program that makes as much as ND does.

I disagree. USC paid $6 million in buyouts for Lincoln Riley, Grinch (DC), WRs, CBs, LBs and the strength coach. The number is only $1.5 without Riley attached.

Basically Ludwig and Harding’s buyout was actually closer to that of Lincoln Riley himself than assistants.

Ludwig doesn’t even come close to fulfill the value assigned to that $$$. They should have just known that two weeks ago is the only issue.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Note Dame football is the second most valuable program in the nation. Second to only Texas. No one truly knows what ND makes off the NBC deal because ND is private and has never disclosed it. Any references to it have only been guesses.ND generates massive amounts more revenue than Purdue. They aren’t anywhere in the same league.

That is bullshit. When you factor in the Alumni support and interaction, ND isn't even Top 10. That is where ND fails. The ND Alumni are not strongly invested in the program like most of the SEC top tier schools and many of the top Big 10 schools. ND fans wonder why the school can't win??? Its the Alumni Network that isn't strong and is not part of the football program. Yet ND Fans still think its ready for a Natty??? So ignorant.

 

[Huntr]

I disagree. USC pay $6 million in buyouts for Lincoln Riley, Grinch (DC), WRs, CBs, LBs and the strength coach. The number is only $1.5 without Riley attached.

But, they paid it. They had their guy, they knew the cost and paid it. ND wouldn't.

 

[Irish#1]

Has a worse ring to it than Battle Frog Fiesta Bowl

Lax, just think of the revenue stream when the curious want to find out what irishenvy.com is?

 

[Giddyup]

Give the job to Brian Mason. Sometimes you just got to get tossed into the fire.

 

[Dale]

But, they paid it. They had their guy, they knew the cost and paid it. ND wouldn't.

We aren’t getting Kyle Whittingham too.

There is no justification needed IMO for $4 mil on Ludwig and Harding. It’s an unreasonable number. That’s the whole point of the contract.

There is also no justification for how it played out, if accurate. Both can be true.

 

[rtrn2glory]

It's going to be frickin Leftwich SMH

 

[Irish#1]

People like Mendoza need to come out and publicly criticize it. That would be a good start.

His voice would resonate much more than 10,00 pissed off fans.

 

[Free Manera]

It's going to be frickin Leftwich SMH

That would be great compared to the most likely outcome of Parker.

 

[ColinKSU]

It's going to be Parker.

It’s 100% going to be Parker.

The university has shown what it’s willing to do. They aren’t going to pay for a proven winner, so they’ll settle for promoting a proven loser.

 

[NDRock]

Freeman is not a slam dunk to succeed. If he isn’t successful it’s going to cost a lot more money to fire everyone than it would be to give him the tools he needs. We spent many years paying two HC salaries after the Davie, Ty, and Weis tenures.

 

[Huntr]

We aren’t getting Kyle Whittingham too.

$4 mill is nothing to a program like ND. They can pinch pennies all they want and that's not saying there isn't a limit.

Just that in major college football in 2023, $4 mill isn't it.

 

[FU BK]

First time poster...long time listener. As a life long fan I went to bed with a sense of anticipation of the upward trajectory of this staff, team, program overall as a whole. This morning, wow....wake up to the typical shitshow that we've become all to familiar with. As my username states...was never of fan of the previous coach. The energy Freeman has brought in has been a much needed shot in the arm, makes you wonder how quickly he will realize the opposition from the administration and look for greener pastures much like Mr Brunt Ends. Promoting Gerad parker will be a major letdown, a failure you could call it. If I'm Sam Hartman, I think I'd be noticing this shit show and considering hitting the portal again unfortunately

 

[Irish#1]

There is really no issue in my mind with not being willing to pay that amount for Ludwig and possibly Harding.

The process is the issue and unnecessarily embarrassing. If this would have started with they won’t pursue Ludwig because of the buyout, that would have been perfectly reasonable.

I don’t understand this opinion that it’s because we have less money than other schools. Most, if not all other schools wouldn’t pay that buyout.

Most wouldn't but most aren't looking to be a serious contender for a NC. They know their limitations

 

[allenm5333]

Shaun Davis said it best we as fans have been taken for granite, ND knows no matter what if we are 12-0 or 1-12 fans will still show up and spend hundreds of dollars every weekend on food, parking passes, bookstore and tickets.

hated being taken for granite. Prefer obsidian

 

[ndfanatic78]

We aren’t getting Kyle Whittingham too.

Then they shouldn’t have offered him the job. They knew the buyout when the job was offered. That means the additional 1 million for the OL coach is the reason the deal fell through? That’s pathetic. Inflation is a bitch and shit is going to get more expensive. Beyond that they could have built a similar buyout clause in his contract and recouped the fee when he left for something else or the wind fall that could happen when they get to the playoffs. This is a chicken shit show by ND and it’s compounded by the past 30 years of bs excuses from the BoT. Don’t tell us “Play Like A Champion” and put a shitty product on display for 30 years. You have to realize that people are reacting to more than just this debacle. How’s it going to look when our HC leaves not for a LSU or other top program but for MSU, Oregon, Washington, or some other mid tier team that is more committed than ND and has half the resources.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

We aren’t getting Kyle Whittingham too.

There is no justification needed IMO for $4 mil on Ludwig and Harding. It’s an unreasonable number. That’s the whole point of the contract.

There is also no justification for how it played out, if accurate. Both can be true.

Very true. I got my knee jerk initial reaction out, now I’m curious if they weren’t aware of some clause that drove the buyout up that was added by those sneaky Mormon bastards.