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It may be more likely that he’s been suspended for something. He basically was just re-upped for a role and never made it to the 1st performance. If he’s not actually sick then what else can it be?
 
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NDpendent said:
Here is the full video. My favorite takeaway from his video is that not a single tightend had a target during the game, which to him meant that no Notre Dame didn't take away the tight end from their game plans, just that they didn't even open up their offense.

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I have a different takeaway albeit still a positive one. You don't need a TE security blanket when you have a QB that can efficiently stress a defense from the pocket. Hartman completed 80%+ of his passes while avg. 10+ yds/att. I think for Book the numbers are, he did that 2 times in 35 games. Book didn't do it a single time in 2020. Even with our best QB of the last decade, we often had to sacrifice efficiency for big plays.

While everyone was focused on Hartman being under center which isn't new. What I was focused on was how much they let him operate out of true spread formations. And, how effective he was doing so.
 
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To expand on the above a little further.

I looked all of Hartman's first half completions using a cut-up from youtube of all his completions on the day. Assuming that is right. I believe he had 12 first half completions. Of the 12 completions, 8 came with 5 OL and 4+ out.

Now, Evans was on the field for most if not all of those as one of the 4 out. But in none was he attached. It was just 5 OL.

This is far cry from what we've seen as of late. And, it is directly correlated to their trust in Hartman and the OL.

So, my takeaways are quite a bit different than others. We're actually seeing the opening up of the offense. It just wasn't full of exotic motions and play design because it was Navy and week 1.
 
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That’s funny because HE recruited Phil Jurkovec HARD. He tried flipping him all the way up to NSD.
He also recruited Tyler Buchner & Kyle McCord over JJ McCarthey.

So he thought 2 of the last 3 QBs ND recruited and signed during his time at OSU were 5 Stars at the time.

Typical Urban Liar.
 
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Reaper97 said:
That’s funny because HE recruited Phil Jurkovec HARD. He tried flipping him all the way up to NSD.
He also recruited Tyler Buchner & Kyle McCord over JJ McCarthey.

So he thought 2 of the last 3 QBs ND recruited and signed during his time at OSU were 5 Stars at the time.

Typical Urban Liar.
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Phil was a 5 star. OSU didn't offer Buchner

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NDpendent said:
Here is the full video. My favorite takeaway from his video is that not a single tightend had a target during the game, which to him meant that no Notre Dame didn't take away the tight end from their game plans, just that they didn't even open up their offense.

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Thanks for posting, Josh Pate is the man. I always enjoy his perspective and he seems to be pretty unbiased when analyzing just about any teams' games.
 
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Lberry said:
Phil was a 5 star. OSU didn't offer Buchner

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They recruited Buchner.
They did the same thing ND did, they found the guy they wanted, and offered him. If he turned them down the next person was Buchner.
ND offered Buchner & if he turned them down they were offering JJ next.
ND was still recruiting QBs without offering, just like OSU was still recruiting QBs (Buchner) without offering.
That’s the way it works with QB recruiting.
 
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To be fair to Urban, Buchner and Phil probably would’ve either ended up better under him or been buried behind 5 star guys he also wanted. Urban is a winner even if he’s a wiener. You can’t always be right at QB recruiting. But in the case of BK, you’re just always wrong.
 
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Lberry said:
Refreshing for him to truly believe ND should be eating first in modern football. This is a good sign because he knows his shit.
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I took it as that, and that he’s slighting Hartman. Some peoples paths are different. Hartman is just getting his recognized. That’s why he came to ND.
 
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Singer and Hyde currently arguing like high schoolers. It’s a refreshing change from the IB bobbing. 🤣
 
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When you can’t develop a QB, you can’t develop a QB. Rees may be a great X’s and O’s coach, who also happens to be an ex-QB, but he doesn’t appear to be a great QB coach. It is what it is, we’ve had a good bit of talent come through the system over the last dozen years that didn’t pan out. You can’t miss that many times without blaming the coaches. I know it’s not all on Rees, but damn! Too many that didn’t work out. Someone has to take the blame.
 
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Then why did Ohio State need Justin Fields? Why did Oklahoma need nothing but transfer QBs to have success?

Of the champions since 2015... by my count 5 out of 8 championship teams had starting QBs that transferred at some point in their college career. The ones that didn't were Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, and Bryce Young.
 
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WilliamWallace said:
When you can’t develop a QB, you can’t develop a QB. Rees may be a great X’s and O’s coach, who also happens to be an ex-QB, but he doesn’t appear to be a great QB coach. It is what it is, we’ve had a good bit of talent come through the system over the last dozen years that didn’t pan out. You can’t miss that many times without blaming the coaches. I know it’s not all on Rees, but damn! Too many that didn’t work out. Someone has to take the blame.
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I noticed at one point during the game, Gino was teaching Hartman (and the other qb’s) something and Hartman was listening. That says a lot imo. Yes, they all try and do that but I have seen so many times where guys just blow off coaches during games or coaches don’t teach much in games. Gino seems very confident and the body language says Hartman was in tune to what he was saying. It never felt like Rees was teaching.
 
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Buchner was at ND in 2021 & hurt almost all of 2022.
So he basically had a year & a half to develop at ND, only 12 months under BK.
So if he is at Bama the next 2-3 years, which is longer than at ND, and under Saban for 30 months, and stinks, does that mean Saban couldn’t develop him either?
 
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Reaper97 said:
Buchner was at ND in 2021 & hurt almost all of 2022.
So he basically had a year & a half to develop at ND, only 12 months under BK.
So if he is at Bama the next 2-3 years, which is longer than at ND, and under Saban for 30 months, and stinks, does that mean Saban couldn’t develop him either?
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No, still Rees.
 
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