ND Women's BB '16 -'17 Season
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Matchup: Notre Dame at Syracuse
Date: Sunday, Feb. 19
Time: 5:02 p.m. ET
Site: Syracuse, N.Y.
Arena: Carrier Dome (35,012)
Television: ESPN2
Talent: Pam Ward, Gail Goestenkors
Live Video: WatchESPN app or ESPN3.com
Talent: Pam Ward, Gail Goestenkors
Live Radio: Pulse FM 96.9/92.1
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Audio: WatchND App or WatchND.tv
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Stats: UND.com
Live Updates: @NDWBB
Series History: Notre Dame leads 30-2
TWO MINUTE WARNING
Matchup: Notre Dame at Syracuse
Date: Sunday, Feb. 19
Time: 5:02 p.m. ET
Site: Syracuse, N.Y.
Arena: Carrier Dome (35,012)
Television: ESPN2
Talent: Pam Ward, Gail Goestenkors
Live Video: WatchESPN app or ESPN3.com
Talent: Pam Ward, Gail Goestenkors
Live Radio: Pulse FM 96.9/92.1
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Audio: WatchND App or WatchND.tv
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Stats: UND.com
Live Updates: @NDWBB
Series History: Notre Dame leads 30-2
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Defense needs to show up to the game soon...
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How can they come out of the gate so sloppy on defense? Frustrating and worrying.
Syracuse getting all the calls too, I'll add.
Syracuse getting all the calls too, I'll add.
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At some point we need to stop them hitting 3s.
End of 1, SU 30 ND 24
End of 1, SU 30 ND 24
ND hitting 53% from the floor, 50% from the arc and trail by 6.
ND leading on boards 9-4.
Matchup ND SU
FG Made-Attempted 9-17 10-14
Field Goal % 52.9 71.4
3PT Made-Attempted 3-6 6-8
Three Point % 50.0 75.0
FT Made-Attempted 3-4 4-5
Free Throw % 75.0 80.0
Total Rebounds 9 4
Offensive Rebounds 4 0
Defensive Rebounds 5 4
Team Rebounds 0 0
Assists 6 7
Steals 1 0
Blocks 0 1
Turnovers 3 2
Team Turnovers 0 1
Total Turnovers 3 2
Personal Fouls 5 3
Technical Fouls 0 0
Flagrant Fouls 0 0
End of 1, SU 30 ND 24
ND hitting 53% from the floor, 50% from the arc and trail by 6.
ND leading on boards 9-4.
Matchup ND SU
FG Made-Attempted 9-17 10-14
Field Goal % 52.9 71.4
3PT Made-Attempted 3-6 6-8
Three Point % 50.0 75.0
FT Made-Attempted 3-4 4-5
Free Throw % 75.0 80.0
Total Rebounds 9 4
Offensive Rebounds 4 0
Defensive Rebounds 5 4
Team Rebounds 0 0
Assists 6 7
Steals 1 0
Blocks 0 1
Turnovers 3 2
Team Turnovers 0 1
Total Turnovers 3 2
Personal Fouls 5 3
Technical Fouls 0 0
Flagrant Fouls 0 0
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Incredibly sloppy. Travels, turnovers, not moving the ball, not finishing at the rim. C'mon ladies!
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Run, chuck up a 3. Deficit promptly grows from 2 to 8. Move the ball...
Also, 8 turnovers so far (to SU's 2). Not good.
Also, 8 turnovers so far (to SU's 2). Not good.
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10 turnovers to Syracuse's 3 in the first half. Mind-boggling, frankly.
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Can next week be FT week at practice? Improvement badly needed.
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Pretty embarrassing loss
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Nice to get to watch a game on regular TV for a change. Some opinions:
A). Once in a while you meet a team who is just crazy hot.
B). To slow such a team down, all five must attend to business.
C). Once they're hot, cooling them off takes time even if you're in their shirt --- I hated getting shifted to a guy who a teammate had let get on fire.
D). This happened tonight. And you could tell who was the primary culprit by whom Muffet first pulled and sat the majority of the first quarter and the beginning of the second. When Jackie Young entered the game, the Syracuse blazing guns didn't immediately cease, but they slowly cooled off.
E). Other than replacing Arike, what did Muffet do? Syracuse ran mainly highpost picking all game, and mainly "horns" (both posts up and split.) To stop that, the big needs to show strongly possibly even switching. If it's "horns" the second big needs to follow the guard with the ball until someone else catches up. I watched Arike as the second big just blanking stare at the picking mess thereby forming part of that mess herself, making our guard defender totally swallowed by the ruck. Muffet pulled her --- this, folks is just horrible absent defense. You can't have it.
F). We came back with Jackie because now everyone understood the system and guards weren't walking to the rim. It took a while. Marina's preternatural bombing was slowed by their own attention to high screens etc, but we still had the penetrate-and-find-Brianna game. We also went zone for some significant time --- why didn't we stick with it since it was so effective? We're not a zone team, and I bet that we don't spend loads of time working at it --- good zones are WAY cleverer than they look. Good teams figure out a single zone after a while, and if you haven't practiced several, you're not going to be able to smoothly change the looks. At least this is how I interpreted Muffet's strategy.
G). They altered their "horns" subtly and still got some key invasion. Muffet at halftime (brilliant as usual) ordered the bigs to show and maintain chase even longer, finally this strategy almost ended this running loose in the key, dishing off, and getting fouled.
H). The game didn't show Notre Dame as a bad team at all. It showed Syracuse as a very dangerous team, whose guard play really made Lindsay play extra hard and sacrificing some of her zip on the Offensive end. It showed Notre Dame as a team with several ways to beat even a good hot team in front of a record crowd, and a coach smart enough to find them.
I). Several big stories for me tonight. Lindsay is tough as nails but so is Marina. Kat is quietly the same as them. Jackie is a Warrior. What an unsung player. She, in a different way, is this year's Hannah Huffman --- energy and power off the bench, and full-team play. Erin played stronger in her minutes. Both frosh need to offense more with the ball, but they're going to be OK. Brianna should buy all those folks, and Arike, a valentine's day present. Brianna played well, but her buddies made her look like an MVP.
J). Watch the next game closely folks. What we've seen coming happened during this game for good or evil: the Wild Filly got broken. I've never seen Arike receive a pass and immediately begin looking to get rid of it to her teammates. That was all second half. Now, this is not a good thing, but it says that Arike finally gets it that if she's not Team-ND she's on the bench. So, Muffet's gotten to her by the hard way of the bench. Can our great Coach now heal her to get her offensive dynamism back while retaining the Team-first concern? The problem is that Muffet could probably live with the offensive freelancing, she wants Arike to get after it defensively with some idea of what's going on.
Muffet's (fortunately) not asking me, but just to motivate Arike, I'd have full court defense practice with the retreating defenders getting back quickly enough that they'd in unison bend over and drum the floor --- like a Tribe about ready to attack. Maybe it would put some juice into defense and Arike would like it.
A). Once in a while you meet a team who is just crazy hot.
B). To slow such a team down, all five must attend to business.
C). Once they're hot, cooling them off takes time even if you're in their shirt --- I hated getting shifted to a guy who a teammate had let get on fire.
D). This happened tonight. And you could tell who was the primary culprit by whom Muffet first pulled and sat the majority of the first quarter and the beginning of the second. When Jackie Young entered the game, the Syracuse blazing guns didn't immediately cease, but they slowly cooled off.
E). Other than replacing Arike, what did Muffet do? Syracuse ran mainly highpost picking all game, and mainly "horns" (both posts up and split.) To stop that, the big needs to show strongly possibly even switching. If it's "horns" the second big needs to follow the guard with the ball until someone else catches up. I watched Arike as the second big just blanking stare at the picking mess thereby forming part of that mess herself, making our guard defender totally swallowed by the ruck. Muffet pulled her --- this, folks is just horrible absent defense. You can't have it.
F). We came back with Jackie because now everyone understood the system and guards weren't walking to the rim. It took a while. Marina's preternatural bombing was slowed by their own attention to high screens etc, but we still had the penetrate-and-find-Brianna game. We also went zone for some significant time --- why didn't we stick with it since it was so effective? We're not a zone team, and I bet that we don't spend loads of time working at it --- good zones are WAY cleverer than they look. Good teams figure out a single zone after a while, and if you haven't practiced several, you're not going to be able to smoothly change the looks. At least this is how I interpreted Muffet's strategy.
G). They altered their "horns" subtly and still got some key invasion. Muffet at halftime (brilliant as usual) ordered the bigs to show and maintain chase even longer, finally this strategy almost ended this running loose in the key, dishing off, and getting fouled.
H). The game didn't show Notre Dame as a bad team at all. It showed Syracuse as a very dangerous team, whose guard play really made Lindsay play extra hard and sacrificing some of her zip on the Offensive end. It showed Notre Dame as a team with several ways to beat even a good hot team in front of a record crowd, and a coach smart enough to find them.
I). Several big stories for me tonight. Lindsay is tough as nails but so is Marina. Kat is quietly the same as them. Jackie is a Warrior. What an unsung player. She, in a different way, is this year's Hannah Huffman --- energy and power off the bench, and full-team play. Erin played stronger in her minutes. Both frosh need to offense more with the ball, but they're going to be OK. Brianna should buy all those folks, and Arike, a valentine's day present. Brianna played well, but her buddies made her look like an MVP.
J). Watch the next game closely folks. What we've seen coming happened during this game for good or evil: the Wild Filly got broken. I've never seen Arike receive a pass and immediately begin looking to get rid of it to her teammates. That was all second half. Now, this is not a good thing, but it says that Arike finally gets it that if she's not Team-ND she's on the bench. So, Muffet's gotten to her by the hard way of the bench. Can our great Coach now heal her to get her offensive dynamism back while retaining the Team-first concern? The problem is that Muffet could probably live with the offensive freelancing, she wants Arike to get after it defensively with some idea of what's going on.
Muffet's (fortunately) not asking me, but just to motivate Arike, I'd have full court defense practice with the retreating defenders getting back quickly enough that they'd in unison bend over and drum the floor --- like a Tribe about ready to attack. Maybe it would put some juice into defense and Arike would like it.
ND Moves To #1 Slot In Creme's Bracketology
ND Moves To #1 Slot In Creme's Bracketology
Missouri Tigers upset No. 6 South Carolina Gamecocks
Mechelle Voelpel 2/19/17
It also sent shock waves through the SEC standings and Charlie Creme's Bracketology. The loss drops the Gamecocks into second place in the league at 12-2 behind Mississippi State, which is 13-1 after beating Texas A&M on Sunday. The Bulldogs are seeking their first SEC title.
And as for the projected No. 1 overall seeds in the NCAA tournament, Creme is now slotting Notre Dame -- which survived 85-80 at Syracuse on Sunday -- into one of the top spots along with UConn, Baylor and Mississippi State. South Carolina drops to a No. 2 seed in Creme's projection.
ND Moves To #1 Slot In Creme's Bracketology
Missouri Tigers upset No. 6 South Carolina Gamecocks
Mechelle Voelpel 2/19/17
It also sent shock waves through the SEC standings and Charlie Creme's Bracketology. The loss drops the Gamecocks into second place in the league at 12-2 behind Mississippi State, which is 13-1 after beating Texas A&M on Sunday. The Bulldogs are seeking their first SEC title.
And as for the projected No. 1 overall seeds in the NCAA tournament, Creme is now slotting Notre Dame -- which survived 85-80 at Syracuse on Sunday -- into one of the top spots along with UConn, Baylor and Mississippi State. South Carolina drops to a No. 2 seed in Creme's projection.
OMM, that is a really good breakdown of last night's game.
Last night, Brianna played the way I thought she would play the entire season. She was dominant down low, she demanded the rock, and when she got it she went to the rim strong. She definitely wasn't as "finesse" as she usually is.
Marina Mabrey makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes, but she has quietly become one of the players this team can lean on. Her defense has gotten better and she can score in more ways than just from the 3 point line.
OMM, you have been slightly harsh on the freshmen's production this season. I think Young is pretty much on par with the other freshman from years past. Erin Boley needs work, but there is no reason to believe that Muffet won't be working with her this summer. With a year under their belts, I think Jackie and Erin could be primed for great sophomore seasons.
We can't say enough about Kat. This team could go into April if Kat continues to play like she has been.
Last night, Brianna played the way I thought she would play the entire season. She was dominant down low, she demanded the rock, and when she got it she went to the rim strong. She definitely wasn't as "finesse" as she usually is.
Marina Mabrey makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes, but she has quietly become one of the players this team can lean on. Her defense has gotten better and she can score in more ways than just from the 3 point line.
OMM, you have been slightly harsh on the freshmen's production this season. I think Young is pretty much on par with the other freshman from years past. Erin Boley needs work, but there is no reason to believe that Muffet won't be working with her this summer. With a year under their belts, I think Jackie and Erin could be primed for great sophomore seasons.
We can't say enough about Kat. This team could go into April if Kat continues to play like she has been.
Turner was dominant down low because she wasn't jumping about trying to catch passes thrown from the behind the key, nor 30 foot alley oops through all over the place, left, right, high or low. Most of the passes at her last night were where she could catch them and go to the basket in a one continuous motion. Many of those passes that Turned into Turner buckets were delivered by Kat who led the team in Assists while only playing 20 minutes. And when the Orange dropped off Kat to clog Turner, Kat pumped an elbow for 2.
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"Harsh on the freshmen"... I'll comment on this not to defend myself (as I and my perceived opinions are utterly unimportant) but to place into the IE consciousness a reinforcement of an important fact about Jackie Young.
Rather than being "harsh" about her, my reading of my remarks based on her play sounds more like a head cheerleader than a harsh critic. I'd be starting her (and said so quite a while ago). She is in the class of Lindsay (and Maddy and Hannah) as a full-out competitor, throwing her body around, but with intelligence and system understanding --- and NO ego.
As to Erin ... she's getting there. But as a McDonald's Player-of-the-Year (or whatever one she won), expectations should have been sky-high --- Sierra Mountains sky-high. She (and Jackie) were the reasons why we were elevated to pre-season favorites. There was, at the season's beginning, essentially NO contribution coming from Boley. She's getting there, but it's taken all season, and no one would consider her even a starter if Kat's healthy.
The WNCAA BBall talent pool is still incredibly shallow. Top players should dominate from the beginning. Stewie was a freak, of course, but unbeatable FOR FOUR YEARS? No sport should be able to be dominated by a post-high school person like that --- but WNCAA BBall still can. So a player-of-the-year should be ready to start and outplay most all opponents from the beginning. Jackie can do that. (Muffet is still trying to shape up Arike or Jackie would be.) Erin is nowhere near that ready.
That doesn't mean that I feel she will not get there by next year. She needs the confidence, extra strength, more aggression ... then we should have a "4" who rebounds powerfully, doesn't get pushed around in the meathouse, steps out and shoots your brains out from three --- if we were imagining a female player significantly nicer but still as tough as Bill Laimbeer, that's the Erin Boley I'd like ... and sort of expect.
Rather than being "harsh" about her, my reading of my remarks based on her play sounds more like a head cheerleader than a harsh critic. I'd be starting her (and said so quite a while ago). She is in the class of Lindsay (and Maddy and Hannah) as a full-out competitor, throwing her body around, but with intelligence and system understanding --- and NO ego.
As to Erin ... she's getting there. But as a McDonald's Player-of-the-Year (or whatever one she won), expectations should have been sky-high --- Sierra Mountains sky-high. She (and Jackie) were the reasons why we were elevated to pre-season favorites. There was, at the season's beginning, essentially NO contribution coming from Boley. She's getting there, but it's taken all season, and no one would consider her even a starter if Kat's healthy.
The WNCAA BBall talent pool is still incredibly shallow. Top players should dominate from the beginning. Stewie was a freak, of course, but unbeatable FOR FOUR YEARS? No sport should be able to be dominated by a post-high school person like that --- but WNCAA BBall still can. So a player-of-the-year should be ready to start and outplay most all opponents from the beginning. Jackie can do that. (Muffet is still trying to shape up Arike or Jackie would be.) Erin is nowhere near that ready.
That doesn't mean that I feel she will not get there by next year. She needs the confidence, extra strength, more aggression ... then we should have a "4" who rebounds powerfully, doesn't get pushed around in the meathouse, steps out and shoots your brains out from three --- if we were imagining a female player significantly nicer but still as tough as Bill Laimbeer, that's the Erin Boley I'd like ... and sort of expect.
ND #5 in AP
ND #5 in AP
A solid #5, 49 points behind Baylor and 78 ahead of Texas.
2017 Women's College Basketball Rankings and Polls for Week 16 - ESPN
Others receiving votes: Drake 20, Tenn 20, Green Bay 13, KSU 8, Creighton 8, WVU 5, Indiana 5, CAL 3, Northwestern 2, Oregon 1
ND #5 in AP
A solid #5, 49 points behind Baylor and 78 ahead of Texas.
2017 Women's College Basketball Rankings and Polls for Week 16 - ESPN
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RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Connect (33) 26-0 825
2 Maryland 26-1 788
3 Mississi St 27-1 755
4 Baylor 25-2 731
5 Notre Dame 25-3 682
6 Texas 21-5 608
7 South Carolina 22-4 602
8 Florida State 24-4 583
8 Stanford 24-4 583
10 Oregon State 25-3 528
11 Washington 25-4 494
12 Ohio State 23-5 469
13 Duke 24-4 467
14 Louisville 23-6 414
15 UCLA 20-7 350
16 Oklahoma 21-6 340
17 Miami 19-7 274
18 NC State 20-7 232
19 DePaul 22-6 208
20 Syracuse 18-9 162
21 Drake 22-4 123
22 Kentucky 19-8 110
23 Temple 21-5 99
24 Missouri 19-9 62
25 Michigan 21-7 53Others receiving votes: Drake 20, Tenn 20, Green Bay 13, KSU 8, Creighton 8, WVU 5, Indiana 5, CAL 3, Northwestern 2, Oregon 1
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