ND Women's BB '16 -'17 Season
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ND Sets School Record with only 3 Turnovers
ND Sets School Record with only 3 Turnovers
STATS UL ND
FG% 45% 50%
FGs 25-55 35-70
3FG% 35% 19%
3FGs 7-20 3-16
FT% 75% 86%
FTs 9-12 12-14
TOs 16 3
PtsOffTO 5 25
TotReb 33 35
DefReb 22 21
Off Reb 11 14
2ndChPts 15 10
BenchPts 9 30
PtsPaint 22 48
FstBkPt 2 8
Blocks 2 3
Steals 2 10
Assts 11 20
Times Tied: 0
Time Tied: 0:30
Lead Chg: 1
LeadTime 5:34 33:25
ND Sets School Record with only 3 Turnovers
STATS UL ND
FG% 45% 50%
FGs 25-55 35-70
3FG% 35% 19%
3FGs 7-20 3-16
FT% 75% 86%
FTs 9-12 12-14
TOs 16 3
PtsOffTO 5 25
TotReb 33 35
DefReb 22 21
Off Reb 11 14
2ndChPts 15 10
BenchPts 9 30
PtsPaint 22 48
FstBkPt 2 8
Blocks 2 3
Steals 2 10
Assts 11 20
Times Tied: 0
Time Tied: 0:30
Lead Chg: 1
LeadTime 5:34 33:25
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They mentioned it a few times throughout the broadcast but the women played like I think they are capable of playing and the reason they were preseason #1. Hopefully this is a turning point to dominate the rest of the season and on into the ACC and NCAA tournaments.
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Hope so. This team, just hasn't had that mental makeup you typically see with MM's teams.
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Watched it with interest, and listened to Doris Burke (one of TVs best analysts) moreso. A few takeaways for what they're worth:
A). Lindsay Allen is an uber-All American. She's our Muffet-on-the-floor, our Fire-in-the-Belly, and our What-do you-need-now?-I'll-deliver super star. Doris gushes over her rightly.
B). Lindsay could use an occasional rest. Muffet told Doris that it's hard to do. Not having Mychal Johnson last evening made that more difficult. We need Johnson, Patberg, and MMabrey to be able to spell her a little or fouls will take us out in the NCAA. I didn't believe this until now, but Marina might just get there on this point.
C). Turner played hard all game when she was in. Doris thinks that she's still nursing some hurt on the right shoulder, but just a guess due to watching shot blocking etc (left arm seems to go higher than right more easily.) Brianna is not a bruiser though, and can still be pushed around by more thug-like centers.
D). Boley seems to have either gotten some message from Muffet (she's throwing herself more into the boards --- still not enough) and/or some playing confidence (she's making threes.) She's still not as good as Kat --- watching Kat show big over the high screens was wonderful. Kat's the most improved on the team.
E). Jackie Young's going to be an AA by next year. Doris said that if she were to build a team on a young player, JY would be at the top of the list.
F). Marina has developed as the season has gone, despite having a bad shooting night yesterday. Muffet doesn't want to take her out now because she now is intensely into the defensive concepts. Amazingly, it was Marina who finally slowed that Louisville player who scored 30+ down when we finally stunted their comeback and pulled away for the last time. (Muffet was desperate to the degree that she even employed Box-and-one a few plays just before that.)
G). And so it comes down to Arike, as it always does, it seems. She was very good for nearly all the minutes she played yesterday. She didn't "gun" it unconsciously. Doris remarked that Arike is FAR better for the team when she passes off her drives 50% of the time. She said that with team-orientation, and her new-found outside bomb, Arike is now essentially unguardable.
But, although Muffet has obviously gotten into her grill about remaining in-the-game defensively, Arike still violates that. Muffet had to quick-hook her in the second half for that. (usually this is lollygagging around off-the-ball screens or lousy backside help attention. On the quick hook, Arike ignored the "team-concept" handslap for her replacement (Patberg) and went straight to the seat not interacting with any teammates or coaches.
Doris was all over her for the display of self-centeredness. So, she's just a sophomore --- OK, everyone, including Muffet, knows that. It still means that our great coach has to do everything necessary to teach her to integrate with the entire system in place. {someone on this site objected to my calling certain on-court behaviors "cancerous." That's COMMON coach speak for aspects of play which spread negativity and depressed effort to other players. Slack play on defense and out-of-system gunning are the two most frequent "cancerous" behaviors. Muffet is trying very hard to beat both of those out of Arike's game. If this game is telling, that may have happened offensively. On defense it's still a work in progress.}
A). Lindsay Allen is an uber-All American. She's our Muffet-on-the-floor, our Fire-in-the-Belly, and our What-do you-need-now?-I'll-deliver super star. Doris gushes over her rightly.
B). Lindsay could use an occasional rest. Muffet told Doris that it's hard to do. Not having Mychal Johnson last evening made that more difficult. We need Johnson, Patberg, and MMabrey to be able to spell her a little or fouls will take us out in the NCAA. I didn't believe this until now, but Marina might just get there on this point.
C). Turner played hard all game when she was in. Doris thinks that she's still nursing some hurt on the right shoulder, but just a guess due to watching shot blocking etc (left arm seems to go higher than right more easily.) Brianna is not a bruiser though, and can still be pushed around by more thug-like centers.
D). Boley seems to have either gotten some message from Muffet (she's throwing herself more into the boards --- still not enough) and/or some playing confidence (she's making threes.) She's still not as good as Kat --- watching Kat show big over the high screens was wonderful. Kat's the most improved on the team.
E). Jackie Young's going to be an AA by next year. Doris said that if she were to build a team on a young player, JY would be at the top of the list.
F). Marina has developed as the season has gone, despite having a bad shooting night yesterday. Muffet doesn't want to take her out now because she now is intensely into the defensive concepts. Amazingly, it was Marina who finally slowed that Louisville player who scored 30+ down when we finally stunted their comeback and pulled away for the last time. (Muffet was desperate to the degree that she even employed Box-and-one a few plays just before that.)
G). And so it comes down to Arike, as it always does, it seems. She was very good for nearly all the minutes she played yesterday. She didn't "gun" it unconsciously. Doris remarked that Arike is FAR better for the team when she passes off her drives 50% of the time. She said that with team-orientation, and her new-found outside bomb, Arike is now essentially unguardable.
But, although Muffet has obviously gotten into her grill about remaining in-the-game defensively, Arike still violates that. Muffet had to quick-hook her in the second half for that. (usually this is lollygagging around off-the-ball screens or lousy backside help attention. On the quick hook, Arike ignored the "team-concept" handslap for her replacement (Patberg) and went straight to the seat not interacting with any teammates or coaches.
Doris was all over her for the display of self-centeredness. So, she's just a sophomore --- OK, everyone, including Muffet, knows that. It still means that our great coach has to do everything necessary to teach her to integrate with the entire system in place. {someone on this site objected to my calling certain on-court behaviors "cancerous." That's COMMON coach speak for aspects of play which spread negativity and depressed effort to other players. Slack play on defense and out-of-system gunning are the two most frequent "cancerous" behaviors. Muffet is trying very hard to beat both of those out of Arike's game. If this game is telling, that may have happened offensively. On defense it's still a work in progress.}
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Good to see you posting OMM. I've not been able to catch as many games as I would like. How's Patberg doing? In HS, she played against my granddaughter several times and I was always impressed with her knowledge of the game and willingness to share the ball.
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Hello #1.
I can't judge Patberg due to lack of enough playing time. No one can blame Muffet for that, as Patberg lost time with more illness,( therefore tougher to get her full game smoothed back out probably,) then Lindsay became obviously the non-replaceable player, and the team malfunctions stopped us from blowing out as many opponents.
What glimpses you get of her just intuitively look like she should be at least an acceptable back up point guard, in both ball-handling and defensive-awareness. I've seen little offense though. Muffet naturally wants some aspect of excellence to get a player on the floor at NDs level. That's why Mychal Johnson plays --- defensive stopper --- even though she usually won't even attempt shots. I'm hoping Patberg evolves into a fail-safe point guard, who occasionally penetrates and dishes, can lob to Turner, and can harass the opposing ball handler. A shot will probably come in time, as her form seems good. No one can score as much as she did in High School without having good scoring mechanics.
Also, Hi, BGIF. Illegitimus non Carborundum indeed.
I can't judge Patberg due to lack of enough playing time. No one can blame Muffet for that, as Patberg lost time with more illness,( therefore tougher to get her full game smoothed back out probably,) then Lindsay became obviously the non-replaceable player, and the team malfunctions stopped us from blowing out as many opponents.
What glimpses you get of her just intuitively look like she should be at least an acceptable back up point guard, in both ball-handling and defensive-awareness. I've seen little offense though. Muffet naturally wants some aspect of excellence to get a player on the floor at NDs level. That's why Mychal Johnson plays --- defensive stopper --- even though she usually won't even attempt shots. I'm hoping Patberg evolves into a fail-safe point guard, who occasionally penetrates and dishes, can lob to Turner, and can harass the opposing ball handler. A shot will probably come in time, as her form seems good. No one can score as much as she did in High School without having good scoring mechanics.
Also, Hi, BGIF. Illegitimus non Carborundum indeed.
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I think Patberg will be fine. She needs more game time. It was a really long process to come back from injury, so obviously she can't be an all-american right away. All the ingredients are there for her, she just needs a little seasoning.
As far as Arike, I am very encouraged of the progress in her game in the last couple of weeks. She doesn't force as many shots. She is starting to create opportunities and deliver beautiful feeds to her teammates. I'll tell you what, if this team continues improving the way they are, can produce great defensive effort and great ball movement on offense for 40 minutes, sky is the limit.
As far as Arike, I am very encouraged of the progress in her game in the last couple of weeks. She doesn't force as many shots. She is starting to create opportunities and deliver beautiful feeds to her teammates. I'll tell you what, if this team continues improving the way they are, can produce great defensive effort and great ball movement on offense for 40 minutes, sky is the limit.
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Didn't realize she was fighting more illnesses. She definitely has the ability to make shots. From the games I saw her in, she liked to dish more when she penetrated, but penetrating wasn't her strong suit. I think that is due to her lack of elite quickness. Sounds like she just needs to stay healthy so she can take that next step.
Patberg's playing sparingly. I wonder if she has health/stamina issues. She's in for short spans, only a few minutes at a time. She's played 125 minutes in 15 games, 8.3 minutes/game. Leads the team in FG Shooting Percentage but rarely shoots, she's 5 for 8 for the season. Has 9 assists versus her 8 FG attempts, 19 rebounds, 3 steals, and 5 turnovers. Like Allen, she has open shots but will pass before taking a shot.
I think it would make it easier on Turner if Allan and Patberg took a few more shoots per game. Lindsay averages one shot per 4.5 minutes played. Patberg averages one shot per 15.6 minutes of PT. By comparison Arike shoots every 2.5 minutes.
Last night Lindsay and Arike both looked good driving to the basket ... whether they took the shot or passed it off. They also took outside shoots. In either case taking defenders off of Turner and opening up the floor.
I also noticed that Turner seemed (to me) to less fixed under the basket and more mobile sliding back and forth between a high post and a low post.
I've also found Arike's play for most of the season as cancerous (growth for growth sake) and not team oriented. I've noticed a huge change over the past few games, much more TEAM oriented. Now she's willing to dish off on her drives. As a consequence she's not running into a wall of 3 defenders collapsing on her when she drives like they had been doing. I'll defer to Coach Mike on her defense. I doubt she played any in high school.
The past 3 games Young and Boley both have upped their games. Marina has had some bad shooting nights but like her sister she's a team player. With the exception of Allen and Turner, these are underclassmen and they've looked it but they're growing. Last night looked like most like the playing making of Muffet's deep run NCAA teams.
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By the way, gentlemen, this thread is a breath of civilized fresh air compared with almost the entirety of the rest of the site. There are respectful actual discussions here. { although I've probably hexed it with that remark}.
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Super Arike: Ogunbowale marvels opponents, elevates Notre Dame
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Super Arike: Ogunbowale marvels opponents, elevates Notre Dame
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Ogunbowale is like the Wild Filly Queen. Horse tamer Muffet must find a way to get a bridle in her teeth without breaking her powers and reining her in too far. If our horse-whisperer coach can pull that off, then those "quick feet" and physicality just might win the triple crown. If not, ND Women's basketball will be bucked off early in the NCAA. (despite the Great Lindsay as the jockey.)
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I feel like this is happening. Really encouraged from what I have seen from her in the last couple of games. If she continues to put the pieces together, watch out!
Allen, Turner, and Ogunbowale All in the running for Top Honors
Allen, Turner, and Ogunbowale All in the running for Top Honors
NOTRE DAME, Ind. - The No. 7 Notre Dame women's basketball team comprises a full 10% of the remaining candidates for both the Wooden Award and Naismith Trophy. The two national player of the year awards reduced their candidate rolls to 20 and 30, respectively, on Wednesday as Lindsay Allen and Brianna Turner appeared on both lists while Arike Ogunbowale was included with the Naismith Top 30.
Allen, Turner, and Ogunbowale All in the running for Top Honors
NOTRE DAME, Ind. - The No. 7 Notre Dame women's basketball team comprises a full 10% of the remaining candidates for both the Wooden Award and Naismith Trophy. The two national player of the year awards reduced their candidate rolls to 20 and 30, respectively, on Wednesday as Lindsay Allen and Brianna Turner appeared on both lists while Arike Ogunbowale was included with the Naismith Top 30.
GT @#7 ND Sunday 1 pm ET ACC Network, WatchESPN
GT @#7 ND Sunday 1 pm ET ACC Network, WatchESPN
Matchup: Georgia Tech at Notre Dame
Date: Sunday, Feb. 12
Time: 1:02 p.m. ET
Site: Notre Dame, Ind.
Arena: Purcell Pavilion at the Joyce Center (9,149)
Television: ACC Network (check local listings)
Talent: Mike Hogewood, Chelsea Shine
Live Video: WatchESPN (outside ACC country)
Talent: Mike Hogewood, Chelsea Shine
Live Radio: Pulse FM 96.9/92.1
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Audio: WatchND App or WatchND.tv
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Stats: UND.com
Live Updates: @NDWBB
Series History: Notre Dame leads 7-0
GT @#7 ND Sunday 1 pm ET ACC Network, WatchESPN
Matchup: Georgia Tech at Notre Dame
Date: Sunday, Feb. 12
Time: 1:02 p.m. ET
Site: Notre Dame, Ind.
Arena: Purcell Pavilion at the Joyce Center (9,149)
Television: ACC Network (check local listings)
Talent: Mike Hogewood, Chelsea Shine
Live Video: WatchESPN (outside ACC country)
Talent: Mike Hogewood, Chelsea Shine
Live Radio: Pulse FM 96.9/92.1
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Audio: WatchND App or WatchND.tv
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Stats: UND.com
Live Updates: @NDWBB
Series History: Notre Dame leads 7-0
THE TALE OF THE TAPE
ND GT
Overall/conference record 22-3/10-1 14-10/3-8
AP/WBCA-USA Today poll 7/7 NR/NR
SCORING
Points scored per game 78.3 66.8
Points allowed per game 59.7 63.6
Field goal percentage .490 .391
Three-point percentage .389 .300
Free throw percentage .704 .605
REBOUNDING
Rebounds per game 39.8 40.6
Opponent rebs. per game 31.8 37.7
Rebounding margin +8.0 +2.9
OTHER
Assists per game 19.2 11.2
Turnovers per game 13.8 16.7
Assist/turnover ratio 1.4 0.7
Steals per game 9.8 10.0
Blocked shots per game 4.4 3.0
ND GT
Overall/conference record 22-3/10-1 14-10/3-8
AP/WBCA-USA Today poll 7/7 NR/NR
SCORING
Points scored per game 78.3 66.8
Points allowed per game 59.7 63.6
Field goal percentage .490 .391
Three-point percentage .389 .300
Free throw percentage .704 .605
REBOUNDING
Rebounds per game 39.8 40.6
Opponent rebs. per game 31.8 37.7
Rebounding margin +8.0 +2.9
OTHER
Assists per game 19.2 11.2
Turnovers per game 13.8 16.7
Assist/turnover ratio 1.4 0.7
Steals per game 9.8 10.0
Blocked shots per game 4.4 3.0
SBT reporting ND only fielding 7 players in practice. Kat has been missing practices nursing an ankle. Mychal has a shoulder injury. Ali and Koko also missed practice. ND playing 7.
Game rounding into shape for Notre Dame guard Arike Ogunbowale | Notre Dame Insider Women's Basketball | ndinsider.com
Game rounding into shape for Notre Dame guard Arike Ogunbowale | Notre Dame Insider Women's Basketball | ndinsider.com