ND will never win with defense

[dskoo65]

Colin Cowherd brought this up a few mornings ago. the basic premise is that teams like ND and Stanford will never win with dominant defenses because of their academic standards.

what is the connection, you ask? the smartest players tend to play on offense. the top 5 average wonderlic scores, by position, come from the offensive side of the ball (QB, center, tight end, rt tackle, left guard), and it is not until #6 that the first defensive position shows up (safety).

so, the belief is that schools with lower academic standards (TCU was used as an example) are going to more easily build top defenses because many of the top defensive players tend to be....um, less academically gifted. teams like Stanford, ND, Northwestern need to win with strong offense because it is easier to find top notch athletes who qualify academically on that side of the ball.

i dont know if i agree or not, but it is an interesting theory. i wonder how weis's highly rated recruiting classes breaks down in terms what % of those classes are on what side of the ball.

 

[jason_h537]

I dont agree with that. I believe we will struggle on the interior d line but a few breaks here and there and we could have guys like Gerald McCoy. The answer to all this is win. If we can keep Chris Martin and continue to develop guys like Stockton and Cwner we should be ok. We may not get immediate impact guys but we should be able to recruit players who can sit for 2-3 years to learn

 

[GOLDENISTHYTATE]

More reasons why no one should listen to the Cow

 

[BeatSC]

I dont agree with that. I believe we will struggle on the interior d line but a few breaks here and there and we could have guys like Gerald McCoy. The answer to all this is win. If we can keep Chris Martin and continue to develop guys like Stockton and Cwner we should be ok. We may not get immediate impact guys but we should be able to recruit players who can sit for 2-3 years to learn

Agreed, If we didn't expereince the mass defection of some previous verbals this D would be tight. couple that witha better dC and we should be there.

 

[Catsudon]

well, offense tends to be more 'visible' because they're the ones who put points on the scoreboard.

however, some school are known to have better defense and it is expected that they score in almost every game, like Vtech.

as for academic standards, i guess i do not know if there's a relationship.

 

[BeatSC]

well, offense tends to be more 'visible' because they're the ones who put points on the scoreboard.

however, some school are known to have better defense and it is expected that they score in almost every game, like Vtech.

as for academic standards, i guess i do not know if there's a relationship.

ND has been known for dominating the line of scrimmage, running game and winning. I would like to see that again. Even 2 out of the 3.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

More reasons why no one should listen to the Cow

Second the motion. The only place I learn of what he has said is on this board.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

ND has been known for dominating the line of scrimmage, running game and winning. I would like to see that again. Even 2 out of the 3.

I'm 24. Last time I saw this Bush was in President. Nope, not that one, the first one. I'd give a leg to see that kind of ND football

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I thought on the home page it listed the Martin prospect at 224 lbs. That's not big enough at DE to dominate the line of scrimmage.

On a Bama site they had pictures of ND's and Bama's last recruiting classes. Those guys for Bama were huge.

 

[Rudy89]

In other news Colin Cowturd is a biased douchebag...

 

[fortwayne_nd]

In other news Colin Cowturd is a biased douchebag...

True dat. And I agree, if the Pats win the SB, the NFL is dead to me.

 

[OCIrish]

Speaking of what once resembled a defensive backfield, what in Gods name happened to the db's for this squad? Shit, they couldn't cover a warm cup of piss at this point of the season. Every game, they've let teams run down the field uncovered for the most part of the game. When are these guys going to start playing to form? It's not like you forget how to cover people down the field.

 

[kmoose]

Colin Cowherd brought this up a few mornings ago. the basic premise is that teams like ND and Stanford will never win with dominant defenses because of their academic standards.

what is the connection, you ask? the smartest players tend to play on offense. the top 5 average wonderlic scores, by position, come from the offensive side of the ball (QB, center, tight end, rt tackle, left guard), and it is not until #6 that the first defensive position shows up (safety).

so, the belief is that schools with lower academic standards (TCU was used as an example) are going to more easily build top defenses because many of the top defensive players tend to be....um, less academically gifted. teams like Stanford, ND, Northwestern need to win with strong offense because it is easier to find top notch athletes who qualify academically on that side of the ball.

i dont know if i agree or not, but it is an interesting theory. i wonder how weis's highly rated recruiting classes breaks down in terms what % of those classes are on what side of the ball.

I like Cowherd, but he can be incredibly pretentious, often. I wonder what Alan Page would think of this theory? The fact that it is harder to find great defensive players who can qualify academically, does not preclude it being done. Like he said.........it's harder, but certainly not impossible.

 

[alleycat9]

interesting theory, however you dont need superstars on defense to play tough defense. you need guys who play as a team and worry about their responsibilities. if everyone does their job the defense will be good.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

interesting theory, however you dont need superstars on defense to play tough defense. you need guys who play as a team and worry about their responsibilities. if everyone does their job the defense will be good.

Agree. Harrison wants to put a shoulder in someone and expects them to go down. If he would use his arms and hands, he would get more stops.

In Charlie's first game against USC, at the end all the DB needed to do was to keep the WR in front of him and ND wins. Instead, DJ gets by him and they're off to the races. WRs are still getting behind the DBs. And there is poor support from the safeties.

 

[irishtrain]

changes

changes

Me thinks Notre Dame is about to get some defensive players that will make a difference. Me thinks it will be part of the package for the new coach as requested. If Charlie stays me thinks he will get this new package of recruits but I think its built around the new coach that is coming to Notre Dame. It would have been nice for Charlie to have a rock your ribs D these past 5 yrs, now they will allow the change. I know a lot of people wont agree with this but I think Notre Dame is about to step into the competitive college football world again with players like Lou used to have. You can only get your @$# kicked so many times before you say ok we are going to change things up. I for one wont complain as long as they go to class and stay off the scandal sheet. It is my opinion that the coaches they are considering are telling them these things and the changes are going to happen. Just an opinion but I think Notre Dame has had enough of being laughed at.

 

[Skuch22]

Herbstreit said the same thing

 

[BGIF]

Me thinks Notre Dame is about to get some defensive players that will make a difference. Me thinks it will be part of the package for the new coach as requested. If Charlie stays me thinks he will get this new package of recruits but I think its built around the new coach that is coming to Notre Dame. It would have been nice for Charlie to have a rock your ribs D these past 5 yrs, now they will allow the change. I know a lot of people wont agree with this but I think Notre Dame is about to step into the competitive college football world again with players like Lou used to have. You can only get your @$# kicked so many times before you say ok we are going to change things up. I for one wont complain as long as they go to class and stay off the scandal sheet. It is my opinion that the coaches they are interveiwing are telling them these things and the changes are going to happen. Just an opinion but I think Notre Dame has had enough of being laughed at.

ND is NOT interviewing any coaches.

ND might be making back channel inquiries through agents or third parties gauaging interest but they are NOT interviewing.

 

[irishtrain]

I may have said it wrong but you know what I meant.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

so, the belief is that schools with lower academic standards (TCU was used as an example) are going to more easily build top defenses because many of the top defensive players tend to be....um, less academically gifted.

TCU is a strange example (not because of their acedemic requirements) because a lot of their defense played QB, WR, and RB in high school and weren't recruited by the big boys for those position. Gary Patterson and his crew have an ability for continually analysing their players, finding their strengths, and putting them in the best position. Something i don't see enough at ND. Isn't there an ex-ND starting QB playing defense for BCS bound Cincy?

 

[DirtySecret]

TCU is a strange example (not because of their acedemic requirements) because a lot of their defense played QB, WR, and RB in high school and weren't recruited by the big boys for those position. Gary Patterson and his crew have an ability for continually analysing their players, finding their strengths, and putting them in the best position. Something i don't see enough at ND. Isn't there an ex-ND starting QB playing defense for BCS bound Cincy?

NO, Jones is not a starter.. I watch Cinicy v West Virginia and Jones didn't start. Secondly Weis wanted to try Jones at WR, but Jones stubburn/selfish ass wanted to be the "glory boy" and play QB.. Lastly TCU stands for Texas Christian University, notice the first word is Texas.. Sure they might get the supply seconds from Texas and Oklahoma in recruiting but there is a lot of untapped talent in the state of Texas..

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

NO, Jones is not a starter.. ..

Agreed - I didn't say starter, but player.

 

[DirtySecret]

Agreed - I didn't say starter, but player.

He's a player for Cincy but that doesn't say much. He's log only 26 tackles which tells me he's second or third on depth chart. Geez, Te'o has 35 tackles and he's only a freshman..

 

[OCIrish]

Whoever they decide to bring in, they had better teach these idiots how to fucking tackle somebody. They are the worst tackling team I've ever seen.