NCAA Playoff Committee Rankings 2014 (Unranked)

[Crazy Balki]

I've got a decent question. Why the Hell isn't Jack on the board? Clearly it has AD's from different conferences, so it seems extremely unfair that ND doesn't get a seat at the table. Notre Dame needs to demand a seat at that table, and if the NCAA was smart, they'd damn well oblige.

 

[Huntr]

Ole Miss has a win over Alabama, which is cool, but that loss to LSU cancels it out

Not how it works...

The one-loss teams are ranked based on their best wins.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think the loser of Ole Miss/Auburn will be in free-fall mode. I'm talking down to 12-15 in the rankings. The committee seems hell-bent on rankings teams according the # of losses. LSU was behind every Power-5 one-loss team except for Duke.

It seems like a loss (ANY loss) is extremely detrimental to the rankings. I don't think we have to concern ourselves with any 2-loss team jumping us (the only exception IMO is an 11-2 SEC Champ).

And I know people will point out the Ole Miss loss, but the committee in theory values every week evenly. A loss last week is equal to a loss in Week 1. While maybe not deserving of the #4 spot, Ole Miss IMO was definitely deserving of anywhere in the 4-6 range.

Again, I'm expecting the Auburn-Ole Miss loser to be ranked #12 next week at the ABSOLUTE highest.

True. My issue is that teams that finish with 1-loss, but get the "edge" because they played a championship game, yet they are ignoring the fact that one of those 13 games came against an FCS team. In fact, every single team ahead of us, has played or will play an FCS team this season. That cannot be omitted. If people are going to judge us for the teams we play, it's only fair they do the same for those teams.

 

[ACamp1900]

I keep hearing that they only looked at this season and ND's resume just doesn't stack up... If that's the case, and we are only judging this season, then how is Bama where they are?? They were lucky to beat Arky, have no real signature win and lost to the number four team...

 

[ickythump1225]

I keep hearing that they only looked at this season and ND's resume just doesn't stack up... If that's the case, and we are only judging this season, then how is Bama where they are?? They were lucky to beat Arky, have no real signature win and lost to the number four team...

Oh three little letters my friend. S...E...C.

 

[NorthDakota]

I keep hearing that they only looked at this season and ND's resume just doesn't stack up... If that's the case, and we are only judging this season, then how is Bama where they are?? They were lucky to beat Arky, have no real signature win and lost to the number four team...

They play in the SEC West and oh my God they are amazing!

 

[Crazy Balki]

Not how it works...

The one-loss teams are ranked based on their best wins.

Then explain Alabama? Explain Auburn? Explain Michigan State? Explain Kansas State?

Alabama's best win is against an unranked West Virginia team at a "neutral" site. Oklahoma pounded them in Morgantown.

Auburn's best win was on 3 botched field goals against Kansas State. Same K-State team almost lost to terrible Iowa State. Auburn's second best win is against a terrible LSU team.

Michigan State's best (and using the term best loosely) was against a very overrated Nebraska team by 5. Nebraska nearly lost to McNeese State and has not looked impressive at all.

Kansas State played Auburn pretty well, but botched 3 field goals. They beat Oklahoma, but as we've seen, they are nowhere near as good as the experts predicted they would be. Outside of that, not impressive.

 

[Huntr]

Bama: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Ole Miss
Auburn: beat a team currently in top 25, loss to Miss St
KState: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Auburn
Michigan St: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Oregon


This shit is just not that hard to figure out.

 

[Irish Insanity]

He's not recused for voting for the Pac12, which directly effects the SoS for USC.

How does this work, btw. How does he simply not vote in regards to USC? Isn't the rankings a collaborative effort, not a tally of votes?

IIRC when a team you're associated with is up for discussion/vote, you not only aren't involved, you are to leave the room. At least that's what was stated after the committee was selected. I don't remember who was interviewed, but I believe it was an AD that's on the committee.

Bama: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Ole Miss
Auburn: beat a team currently in top 25, loss to Miss St
KState: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Auburn
Michigan St: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Oregon


This shit is just not that hard to figure out.

What they need to do is review the teams blind. They need to assign each team a number, letter, sign, or something. Then compare them all without their names or conferences attached. Rank them as they see fit based upon whatever criteria they use. When they are done, re-attach the names and issue the poll. Any other way, with human involvement, will always be unjust.

 

[Woneone]

Bama: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Ole Miss
Auburn: beat a team currently in top 25, loss to Miss St
KState: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Auburn
Michigan St: beat a team currently in top 25, lost to Oregon


This shit is just not that hard to figure out.

So when WVU gets their cookies tossed by TCU and knocked out of the top 25, do you think Bama will drop while on a bye? Their other wins:

Florida Atlantic
Southern Miss
Florida
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Tennessee

 

[scUM Hater]

IIRC when a team you're associated with is up for discussion/vote, you not only aren't involved, you are to leave the room. At least that's what was stated after the committee was selected. I don't remember who was interviewed, but I believe it was an AD that's on the committee.



What they need to do is review the teams blind. They need to assign each team a number, letter, sign, or something. Then compare them all without their names or conferences attached. Rank them as they see fit based upon whatever criteria they use. When they are done, re-attach the names and issue the poll. Any other way, with human involvement, will always be unjust.

So Marshall would be in the 4?

 

[Huntr]

So when WVU gets their cookies tossed by TCU and knocked out of the top 25, do you think Bama will drop while on a bye? Their other wins:

Florida Atlantic
Southern Miss
Florida
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Tennessee

Who knows. They may tear up the rankings and make a new one, they may adjust their thinking and base it more on SoS. This is uncharted territory.

But in this poll they released last night, they put the 2 unbeatens on top, then ranked the 1 loss teams based on best win, then on to whom they lost, or so it appears.

 

[IrishinSyria]

IIRC when a team you're associated with is up for discussion/vote, you not only aren't involved, you are to leave the room. At least that's what was stated after the committee was selected. I don't remember who was interviewed, but I believe it was an AD that's on the committee.



What they need to do is review the teams blind. They need to assign each team a number, letter, sign, or something. Then compare them all without their names or conferences attached. Rank them as they see fit based upon whatever criteria they use. When they are done, re-attach the names and issue the poll. Any other way, with human involvement, will always be unjust.

Blind review actually doesn't work very well for ND this season.

Also, there's no credible way to do blind review. Blank team is 6-1 and lost to a #2 team by 4... HMMMMM I WONDER WHO THAT IS

Also, Also, Blind review is impossible if you're starting from scratch (i.e. you don't have any information about rankings). Team x (7-1) lost to team Y (4-3). How much information do you really have about team Y in that scenario? It could be Ark St or it could be South Carolina.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So Marshall would be in the 4?

Blind review actually doesn't work very well for ND this season.

Also, there's no credible way to do blind review. Blank team is 6-1 and lost to a #2 team by 4... HMMMMM I WONDER WHO THAT IS

Also, Also, Blind review is impossible if you're starting from scratch (i.e. you don't have any information about rankings). Team x (7-1) lost to team Y (4-3). How much information do you really have about team Y in that scenario? It could be Ark St or it could be South Carolina.

It can't be any worse than it is currently...........

 

[Woneone]

Who knows. They may tear up the rankings and make a new one, they may adjust their thinking and base it more on SoS. This is uncharted territory.

But in this poll they released last night, they put the 2 unbeatens on top, then ranked the 1 loss teams based on best win, then on to whom they lost, or so it appears.

I completely agree (I actually posted the exact same thing a few pages back).

I just hate that they released the poll now.

 

[Woneone]

Who knows. They may tear up the rankings and make a new one, they may adjust their thinking and base it more on SoS. This is uncharted territory.

But in this poll they released last night, they put the 2 unbeatens on top, then ranked the 1 loss teams based on best win, then on to whom they lost, or so it appears.

I completely agree (I actually posted the exact same thing a few pages back).

I just hate that they released the poll now.

 

[Fbolt]

it may be here but this thread grows by leaps and bounds. I'd like to see SOS with a team's wins only.

 

[Irish YJ]

I completely agree (I actually posted the exact same thing a few pages back).

I just hate that they released the poll now.

I'm happy they released it now. We now know we need to throttle teams and look pretty.
Rather know now than in a few weeks or post conf championships.

 

[nd_fan]

ND definitely needs to throttle Navy, ASU and Louisville to make an impression

 

[Woneone]

I'm happy they released it now. We now know we need to throttle teams and look pretty.
Rather know now than in a few weeks or post conf championships.

The problem is, in my opinion, the 6/7 games everyone has played so far was the equivalent of qualifying in NASCAR. We're in the 10 spot. My fear is that nothing that happens point forward will cause the committee to re-evaluate the initial seedings. You play each week and the only opponent that matters is the strength of the one you're currently playing, and you move up or down from your current position based on only that, and the wins/losses of the teams around you that week.

What if WVU loses out?
Or Stanford wins out?
K-State loses all the rest of it's big games?
Or Nebraska loses 3 more?

Does the committee re-evaluate what a quality win is and basically re-seed everyone each time a poll is released, or is the previous poll used as a reference and a "what have you done for me lately" mentality is adopted?

If they re-evaluated, then fine, release the poll early. If not, it makes no sense to release the poll this early. If Stanford wins out and climbs to 12-15'ish by year end, does that actually help us? Or has Stanford as an Opponent for US already been decided? We don't know yet, but that's what scares me.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

The problem is, in my opinion, the 6/7 games everyone has played so far was the equivalent of qualifying in NASCAR. We're in the 10 spot. My fear is that nothing that happens point forward will cause the committee to re-evaluate the initial seedings. You play each week and the only opponent that matters is the strength of the one you're currently playing, and you move up or down from your current position based on only that, and the wins/losses of the teams around you that week.

What if WVU loses out?
Or Stanford wins out?
K-State loses all the rest of it's big games?
Or Nebraska loses 3 more?

Does the committee re-evaluate what a quality win is and basically re-seed everyone each time a poll is released, or is the previous poll used as a reference and a "what have you done for me lately" mentality is adopted?

If they re-evaluated, then fine, release the poll early. If not, it makes no sense to release the poll this early. If Stanford wins out and climbs to 12-15'ish by year end, does that actually help us? Or has Stanford as an Opponent for US already been decided? We don't know yet, but that's what scares me.

The head dork last night said that each week is a clean slate... Everyone gets re-seeded based on body of work.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The head dork last night said that each week is a clean slate... Everyone gets re-seeded based on body of work.

Not that I don't believe you, but I'll believe it when it happens. Obviously there has only been one poll yet, so we shall see next week. If indeed they are, there will be no worry of it being difficult to move up from 10 to 4 for a team, or see a team drop from 4 to 15 with their second loss.

 

[IrishCat]

100% RIGHT....

I said this last night....Look....no need to panic or get crappy with the ranking....

Ole Miss will lose to Auburn *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

Miss St will lose to Ole Miss AND 'Bama *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

'Bama will lose to Auburn *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

Auburn will lose to Georgia *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

Georgia will lose SEC title game *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

That solves the SEC puzzle.

Nebraska will lose at Wisconsin *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

Mich St./OSU will leave one team eliminated.

Mich St./OSU will lose in title game *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

That solves the B1G problem.

Oregon loses to Stanford OR in PAC-12 title game *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

PAC-12 problem solved.

K-State will lose to TCU *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

TCU will lose to West Virginia *poof* they're gone. (2nd loss)

Baylor will lose to K-State *poof*they're gone. (2nd loss)

That solves the Big 12 problem.

FSU wins out.

ACC solved.

*poof*they're gone.

 

[NDinTEXAS]

Don't know if anyone has heard this but it's Jeff Long making excuses on the Dan Patirck's show

Video: Jeff Long Makes It Clear That Notre Dame’s “Body Of Work” Has Not Impressed Committee | College Spun – Social. Local. Consumable. College Sports.

 

[pumpdog20]

ND definitely needs to throttle Navy, ASU and Louisville to make an impression

And let Northwestern and USC off the hook?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Nah, let's do the full Bama plan... schedule all those teams and NEVER have to play other power SEC teams like Georgia...

How about let's put ND in the SEC West the last four or five years and see where they end up. How about let's be honest and take our "bias" out and ask ourselves this... if ND was in the SEC West division this year, where would they be? What's their record. And to be fair, pick the two worst East division opponents to round out your SEC schedule. Put WV on a neutral site and take the other two Bama games to fill out your entire schedule.

What's ND's record at the end of the year?

Bitch all you want ACamp but here's the facts. ND doesn't have a win against a top 25 team. Sorry... but your team lost to Fla State. BS call? Maybe... maybe not. But the call was made. The rest of the Irish opponents thus far have 3-5 losses. Just who in the hell has the Irish beat to even be considered to be at the #10 spot at this point?

All this BS SEC bias bullshit is simply that. BS.

Beat them on the field of play or drown in your "conspiracy" theories. It appears that the selection committee - who is comprised of people who are from EVERY conference - watch football games. It's really not that effing hard to see who is the better teams. Yes, there are those that will fall in that category of toss ups... but to repeatedly post that the SEC is overrated is BS. You know it, I know it, the committee knows it, and everyone else on this board knows it. It just seems you can't accept it due to your "bias."

So... to end my rant... what would the Irish's record be at the end of the year if they played in the SEC West. Use Bama's schedule to make your prediction if it makes it easier for you. Be honest in your answer... don't be a homer. This should be fun.

 

[ACamp1900]

In this hypothetical, to be clear, does ND get to grey shirt, oversign, throw academics out the window and treat kids like cattle??? You know,... Just for clarity's sake??

 

[Cali_domer]

How about let's put ND in the SEC West the last four or five years and see where they end up. How about let's be honest and take our "bias" out and ask ourselves this... if ND was in the SEC West division this year, where would they be? What's their record. And to be fair, pick the two worst East division opponents to round out your SEC schedule. Put WV on a neutral site and take the other two Bama games to fill out your entire schedule.

What's ND's record at the end of the year?

Bitch all you want ACamp but here's the facts. ND doesn't have a win against a top 25 team. Sorry... but your team lost to Fla State. BS call? Maybe... maybe not. But the call was made. The rest of the Irish opponents thus far have 3-5 losses. Just who in the hell has the Irish beat to even be considered to be at the #10 spot at this point?

All this BS SEC bias bullshit is simply that. BS.

Beat them on the field of play or drown in your "conspiracy" theories. It appears that the selection committee - who is comprised of people who are from EVERY conference - watch football games. It's really not that effing hard to see who is the better teams. Yes, there are those that will fall in that category of toss ups... but to repeatedly post that the SEC is overrated is BS. You know it, I know it, the committee knows it, and everyone else on this board knows it. It just seems you can't accept it due to your "bias."

So... to end my rant... what would the Irish's record be at the end of the year if they played in the SEC West. Use Bama's schedule to make your prediction if it makes it easier for you. Be honest in your answer... don't be a homer. This should be fun.

West Virginia WIN
W 23 - 33
Final
Sat, Sep 6
vs
Florida Atlanticb WIN
W 0 - 41

vs
Southern Miss Win
W 12 - 52
Final

Florida Win
W 21 - 42


Ole Miss Toss up much like you probable loss
L 17 - 23

Sat, Oct 11
@
Arkansas Win
W 14 - 13
Final
Sat, Oct 18
vs
Texas A&M Win
W 0 - 59
Final
Sat, Oct 25 @ Tennessee W 34 - 20 Final Win


Same record up to this point... No one on your schedule would blow our doors off... Ole Miss is the only team that we would be a dog to for sure.

Seriously who on that list would beat us(Besides Ole Miss)? Florida? Arkansas? Talk about bias man if you believe that.
Don't give WVU who may be good but I think we would be fine.

 

[Circa]

Lol, you guys. ND will be in at 11-1.

If they aren't, I will not make a post until June 1, 2015. But when they are, I want 5 billion vbucks. You can pool together to come up with it, or pay as one, IDC.

Can't wait to get those vbucks!

Hold on while we all gather and talk about YOU! Hold on as I said

 

[T Town Tommy]

West Virginia WIN
W 23 - 33
Final
Sat, Sep 6
vs
Florida Atlanticb WIN
W 0 - 41

vs
Southern Miss Win
W 12 - 52
Final

Florida Win
W 21 - 42


Ole Miss Toss up much like you probable loss
L 17 - 23

Sat, Oct 11
@
Arkansas Win
W 14 - 13
Final
Sat, Oct 18
vs
Texas A&M Win
W 0 - 59
Final
Sat, Oct 25 @ Tennessee W 34 - 20 Final Win


Same record up to this point... No one on your schedule would blow our doors off... Ole mis is the only team that we would be a dog to for sure.

Finish out the season. LSU on the road, Miss St and Auburn at home. Then throw in GA for the SEC CG.