Media Matters

[drayer54]

One can not hate the media enough.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

One can not hate the media enough.

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Misleading but accurate? That’s hard to do.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[ulukinatme]

I saw that blindside cheap shot that Carter put on Clark recently. There were some people on social media trying to make the case that Clark started it, but the video shows nothing out of the ordinary on her part while the ball is in play. Carter, on the other hand, blatantly hits Clark from behind while the ball isn't even in play. The ball was out of bounds, waiting to be inbounded after the Sky made a bucket. Carter was suspended and removed from two teams prior for behavior issues.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I saw that blindside cheap shot that Carter put on Clark recently. There were some people on social media trying to make the case that Clark started it, but the video shows nothing out of the ordinary on her part while the ball is in play. Carter, on the other hand, blatantly hits Clark from behind while the ball isn't even in play. The ball was out of bounds, waiting to be inbounded after the Sky made a bucket. Carter was suspended and removed from two teams prior for behavior issues.

The part where MacAfee refers to Clark as "one white bitch" was sort of the point.

 

[GATTACA!]

I saw that blindside cheap shot that Carter put on Clark recently. There were some people on social media trying to make the case that Clark started it, but the video shows nothing out of the ordinary on her part while the ball is in play. Carter, on the other hand, blatantly hits Clark from behind while the ball isn't even in play. The ball was out of bounds, waiting to be inbounded after the Sky made a bucket. Carter was suspended and removed from two teams prior for behavior issues.

Carter is a head case who got kicked off her first two teams for disciplinary issues and had to go overseas to play for a while as a result.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I get why other players might resent Clark for getting "all" of the attention despite the fact that she's not proven a thing in the WNBA yet. It would seem to be a very human emotion/reaction. Players just need to be reminded that Clark is good for the league and thus will result in good things for the other players.

 

[Irish#1]

I saw that blindside cheap shot that Carter put on Clark recently. There were some people on social media trying to make the case that Clark started it, but the video shows nothing out of the ordinary on her part while the ball is in play. Carter, on the other hand, blatantly hits Clark from behind while the ball isn't even in play. The ball was out of bounds, waiting to be inbounded after the Sky made a bucket. Carter was suspended and removed from two teams prior for behavior issues.

Being in Indy, we see a lot of Fever news. I have no problem with playing her physical in welcoming her to the WNBA, but she has taken a couple of cheap shots recently. For Carter and a few others, I think Barkley hit the nail on the head when he said they were jealous. One of Carters teammates jumped up from the bench and applauded the hit. They should be happy she came along. Teams are now flying charter and the WNBA is getting more coverage and discussion. Revenue is going up which should help salaries. Don't kill the golden goose ladies.

BTW, the refs reviewed the foul by Carter and kept it as a common foul. It wasn't until the Fever complained that the league upgraded it to a flagrant.

 

[TorontoGold]

Being in Indy, we see a lot of Fever news. I have no problem with playing her physical in welcoming her to the WNBA, but she has taken a couple of cheap shots recently. For Carter and a few others, I think Barkley hit the nail on the head when he said they were jealous. One of Carters teammates jumped up from the bench and applauded the hit. They should be happy she came along. Teams are now flying charter and the WNBA is getting more coverage and discussion. Revenue is going up which should help salaries. Don't kill the golden goose ladies.

BTW, the refs reviewed the foul by Carter and kept it as a common foul. It wasn't until the Fever complained that the league upgraded it to a flagrant.

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I lived a few houses down from the Nembhards (still keep in touch them a bit here and there), but when Andrew was coming onto the scene he was dead set on going to Stanford to the point where it Claude (his Dad) was talking about possibly moving out there. I kept mentioning how he should go to ND and get the best of both worlds. The Nembhard's reached out TO Brey to try and setup a visit. The staff never even got back to them on setting up a potential visit. The #20 prospect was apparently not good enough for them lol. If Shrews was the coach back then I think Andrew goes to ND.

 

[RDU Irish]

I saw that blindside cheap shot that Carter put on Clark recently. There were some people on social media trying to make the case that Clark started it, but the video shows nothing out of the ordinary on her part while the ball is in play. Carter, on the other hand, blatantly hits Clark from behind while the ball isn't even in play. The ball was out of bounds, waiting to be inbounded after the Sky made a bucket. Carter was suspended and removed from two teams prior for behavior issues.

Similar move dropped Jaylon Smith out of the first round. WNBA needs to protect their crown jewel or she will end up blowing out her ACL in some shit like this and costing her a season or two. Letting her shine fade from something like that would be quite damaging. Clark has cashed her checks so she will be fine - the rest can go back to flying coach.

 

[Irish#1]

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I lived a few houses down from the Nembhards (still keep in touch them a bit here and there), but when Andrew was coming onto the scene he was dead set on going to Stanford to the point where it Claude (his Dad) was talking about possibly moving out there. I kept mentioning how he should go to ND and get the best of both worlds. The Nembhard's reached out TO Brey to try and setup a visit. The staff never even got back to them on setting up a potential visit. The #20 prospect was apparently not good enough for them lol. If Shrews was the coach back then I think Andrew goes to ND.

I was never a big fan of Brey's. Now I have another reason. I really like how Nembhard handles himself. Kids only going to get better.

 

[ulukinatme]

The part where MacAfee refers to Clark as "one white bitch" was sort of the point.

I'm pretty sure Pat was making a statement with that phrasing. He's also referencing how she's been referred to on the court. He's been very supportive of her, but there are athletes and people in the media that have tried tearing her down or they've belittled her records broken. A lot of it is just jealousy, but some of it is steeped in racism.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm pretty sure Pat was making a statement with that phrasing. He's been very supportive of her, but there are athletes and people in the media that have tried tearing her down or they've belittled her records broken. A lot of it is just jealousy, but some of it is steeped in racism.

I'm pretty sure he could have been a lot smarter and avoided saying what he said, but he also seems to be one of these people that just skates along regardless of what he says or what gets said on his show.

Now with that being said, it draws more attention to him. More attention to Clark and thus more attention to the WNBA.

Which in the end I think is probably the point, but the point could've been made in a much different way that ultimately goes unnoticed.

I'm not really one for the shock jock stuff. The sports shows, podcasts, etc. I enjoy are probably boring for the mainstream because they just provide information and insight rather than what MacAfee and others like him are selling.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm pretty sure he could have been a lot smarter and avoided saying what he said, but he also seems to be one of these people that just skates along regardless of what he says or what gets said on his show.

Now with that being said, it draws more attention to him. More attention to Clark and thus more attention to the WNBA.

Which in the end I think is probably the point, but the point could've been made in a much different way that ultimately goes unnoticed.

I'm not really one for the shock jock stuff. The sports shows, podcasts, etc. I enjoy are probably boring for the mainstream because they just provide information and insight rather than what MacAfee and others like him are selling.

I just happened to be at lunch a bit ago and had noticed some social media people like Jemele were calling out MacAfee for the same comment. I think she was taking his statement quite literally when Pat seemed to be referencing the treatment and "white bitch" comments Clark has been getting on and off the court. He's shown himself to be a Clark supporter, he certainly could have alluded to that bad behavior in a different way, but you're right...he's never been one to really skirt an issue. I think some of these social media warriors missed his point.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Carter is a head case who got kicked off her first two teams for disciplinary issues and had to go overseas to play for a while as a result.

Not only that, she's been playing well to start the season up until this point. To blow this second chance would be wasteful and stupid.

Angel Reese got fined for not being available for the media after this game. I can't say I blame her. The questions would have all been about Carter and Reese.

Chicago Sky have drawn some decent crowds so far this year. Reese and Cardoso being rookies has played a major role in that. This isn't the look they want, but then again, it could probably draw a particular kind of crowd that enjoy WWE style basketball of the NBA 80s and 90s. Seems like so many people long for it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I just happened to be at lunch a bit ago and had noticed some social media people like Jemele were calling out MacAfee for the same comment. I think she was taking his statement quite literally when Pat seemed to be referencing the treatment and "white bitch" comments Clark has been getting on and off the court. He's shown himself to be a Clark supporter, he certainly could have alluded to that bad behavior in a different way, but you're right...he's never been one to really skirt an issue. I think some of these social media warriors missed his point.

His support of Caitlin Clark is not the issue.

 

[ulukinatme]

Give me more MacAfees and less Mike Greenbergs. I want my sports jocks to be actual jocks that played the sports and are passionate about them, not journalist majors that are boring and have no frame of reference.

 

[Irish#1]

ESPN has been one bad decision after another for quite a while. Blame ESPN, not McAfee for that decision.

 

[drayer54]

Give me more MacAfees and less Mike Greenbergs. I want my sports jocks to be actual jocks that played the sports and are passionate about them, not journalist majors that are boring and have no frame of reference.

Or babes. Like, I get it. You're good to look at, but what do you know about pass rushing or throwing fastballs? No babes. No nerds. Or just work the babes in so I don't have to listen to them.

 

[Irish#1]

Carter seems to be playing the victim card. lol

"I'm seeing a lot of things -- players, fans not understanding who I am as a player," Carter said. "You have to understand me as a person, too. And don't just look at one tape and form an opinion about me. I'm truly a passionate person about the game, and I'm genuine. You can ask all my teammates, they've gotten to know me. They know the real Chennedy Carter. So I'm just saying, don't form an opinion off of one little clip. And you didn't even see the whole game and/or the play that led to that."

Yeah, there's some jealousy.

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[Jiggafini19Deux]

Give me more MacAfees and less Mike Greenbergs. I want my sports jocks to be actual jocks that played the sports and are passionate about them, not journalist majors that are boring and have no frame of reference.

MacAfee was a punter, bruv.

He's also not an actual ESPN employee, as it turns out. They lease the show. A few things ultimately come from this:

1. Popular crude show that panders to a base that ultimately cheers this on over and over again. ESPN and MacAfee likely learn nothing from it.

2. The Caitlin Clark discourse at some point will get stale and won't "sell" any longer. I think we're getting closer to that day. She's good and for that she's polarizing. In most, she can't control how much she gets talked about. All she can do is play ball.

3. I prefer good insight and information to the game I'm watching, and I think you can get that from people who never played the game. Ken Harrelson was a pro baseball player. He was the voice of the White Sox for years and toward the end of his tenure he was absolutely terrible. His passion and frame of reference was telling stories about Yaz while the Sox lost to the Twins. He got so bad that eventually even the people who liked him got tired.

 

[RDU Irish]

MacAfee was a punter, bruv.

He's also not an actual ESPN employee, as it turns out. They lease the show. A few things ultimately come from this:

1. Popular crude show that panders to a base that ultimately cheers this on over and over again. ESPN and MacAfee likely learn nothing from it.

2. The Caitlin Clark discourse at some point will get stale and won't "sell" any longer. I think we're getting closer to that day. She's good and for that she's polarizing. In most, she can't control how much she gets talked about. All she can do is play ball.

3. I prefer good insight and information to the game I'm watching, and I think you can get that from people who never played the game. Ken Harrelson was a pro baseball player. He was the voice of the White Sox for years and toward the end of his tenure he was absolutely terrible. His passion and frame of reference was telling stories about Yaz while the Sox lost to the Twins. He got so bad that eventually even the people who liked him got tired.

Exactly my first thought. LOL. Only bad press is no press - he is a commentator and makes a living on being closer to Kenny Powers than Bob Costas. Gold seats aren't watching MacAfee, it's the dudes passed out in the tailgate that never make it to the game. He may be a dolt but he is more on point and more entertaining than Stephen A. who is just clowning for attention non-stop.

If people want to whine about the "b" word and at the same time think prison shanking makes the WNBA great then they are being intellectually dishonest. Takes on the air of a certain culture's "music" using a certain word non-stop and then rioting if anyone of the wrong color is construed as using any iteration of said word. STFU - words don't hurt people.

The whole debate is largely fabricated to draw eyeballs and it works. If I'm bored to tears with absolutely nothing else to do, I might check out whatever WNBA game is on b/c I can't remember what team Clark plays for and see if she is getting abused or not.

 

[Irish#1]

Just a punter. Dude never shied away from contact. lol

 

[RDU Irish]

Just a punter. Dude never shied away from contact. lol

Helmet to helmet - should have been ejected. I have no beef with MacAfee - tough punter energy is still punter energy tho.

 

[ulukinatme]

MacAfee was a punter, bruv.

He's also not an actual ESPN employee, as it turns out. They lease the show. A few things ultimately come from this:

1. Popular crude show that panders to a base that ultimately cheers this on over and over again. ESPN and MacAfee likely learn nothing from it.

2. The Caitlin Clark discourse at some point will get stale and won't "sell" any longer. I think we're getting closer to that day. She's good and for that she's polarizing. In most, she can't control how much she gets talked about. All she can do is play ball.

3. I prefer good insight and information to the game I'm watching, and I think you can get that from people who never played the game. Ken Harrelson was a pro baseball player. He was the voice of the White Sox for years and toward the end of his tenure he was absolutely terrible. His passion and frame of reference was telling stories about Yaz while the Sox lost to the Twins. He got so bad that eventually even the people who liked him got tired.

That punter could probably kick your ass and mine. He's got some great tackle highlights, you don't see a lot of kickers with saves. "Hardest hitting kicker in the NFL." McAfee was an All-Pro, had a decent arm too. He was one of only a few Punters named as Emergency QB. He had 3 successful Onside Kicks in 2014, one of which he recovered himself. Point being, he wasn't just some typical Punter, he was pretty athletic among his peers.

Crude show? Sports ARE crude. You can't pretend that they're not. A little language doesn't diminish it, the language has always been there.

That's probably true, I'm sure the novelty will wear off a bit. That said, she's certainly been good for the WNBA in the short time she's been there. The Fever's Home attendance after their first 5 games had already eclipsed their entire Home attendance from last season. Stats aside, she's bringing attention to the league and that's a great contribution to the sport, it should be celebrated.

That's a fair anecdote, but it's still an anecdote. Not every sportscaster is going to be the same, and their presentation tends to change over time. Lee Corso was great in the early days, but at this point he's lost a step and seems to struggle a bit given his age. I'll concede there are certainly some broadcasters that have never played the sport and are great to listen to, but more often than not I'd rather get perspective from a former athlete that has been there before and probably has spend more hours studying the game.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

That punter could probably kick your ass and mine.

Ok. Now he's qualified.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Yeah, there's some jealousy.

She's everybody's clickbait right now. I feel bad for her in that regard.

From a competitive standpoint, she's driving a lot of attention to the sport and that is good for everyone. With that comes the target on her back. These veterans are going to come right at her, some more aggressively than others it seems. She needs to get stronger and she's going to have to adapt her game to being with pros now.

From a media standpoint, she's going to get used to drive traffic and clicks. There isn't anything she can really do about it. The guys like MacAfee will throw the red meat out until people stop eating. There don't appear to be any signs it will stop since she's one month into her rookie season.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ok. Now he's qualified.

Just sayin'! You said he was just a punter, like he was some kind of limp dick pussy. Legendary kicker Adam Vinatieri played in the league 25 years almost, McAfee's career got shortened to a respectable 8 years after knee problems. Despite the shorter career Pat had nearly twice as many solo tackles as Vinatieri. He didn't avoid hits like a lot of specialists. Not just punter, he did kickoffs and was Emergency QB. Pretty good athlete.

That said, he's got the ESPN gig going on, and does WWE too. He's been making Gameday appearances. Obviously he's entertaining and people want to hear what he has to say, otherwise he wouldn't be getting these gigs. Seems like most of the people that took issue with what Pat said are the people that weren't watching his content to begin with.

 

[Irish#1]

She's everybody's clickbait right now. I feel bad for her in that regard.

From a competitive standpoint, she's driving a lot of attention to the sport and that is good for everyone. With that comes the target on her back. These veterans are going to come right at her, some more aggressively than others it seems. She needs to get stronger and she's going to have to adapt her game to being with pros now.

From a media standpoint, she's going to get used to drive traffic and clicks. There isn't anything she can really do about it. The guys like MacAfee will throw the red meat out until people stop eating. There don't appear to be any signs it will stop since she's one month into her rookie season.

I don’t have any issues with the aggressive play she encounters, just the cheap shots. She’ll have a chance to increase her strength when the seasons over, but she’s going to be a tired puppy since she went straight from Iowa to the WNBA.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I don’t have any issues with the aggressive play she encounters, just the cheap shots. She’ll have a chance to increase her strength when the seasons over, but she’s going to be a tired puppy since she went straight from Iowa to the WNBA.

Whatever she does, it's a story and people are going to make it a story to their own benefit.

She can't help the overkill and the collateral damage that brings about the jealousy. She just has to work on her game because it's all she can control.

There are so many more eyes on women's basketball and a great deal of that is because of her. Problem is you have exposure coming from other players like Angel Reese but all the stories are focused on what Clark is doing, etc. I think Clark is becoming a proxy for multiple narratives that have little or nothing to do with basketball. That's the media driven portion of it that she can't control.

MacAfee capitalized on that in his own way earlier this week.