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JFC, Toronto. You're conflating all sorts of stuff that has little to no bearing on the topic at hand. We're discussing sharing Musk's flight data. There's absolutely NO point in doing that other than to harass him and encourage others to harass or harm him. We've all admitted it shouldn't be done to anyone. Now discuss that. All the BS from you about whataboutisms and Twitter's past stance on who they banned and bomb threats to a children's hospital are all deflections and spin and attempts to dodge and twist and avoid the topic at hand.

If you have that much of a losing argument that you need to do that, then OK. Say so and we'll go easy on you and not use any big words or pesky facts. OTOH, if your position is valid, then stick to the subject at hand and discuss it honestly like an adult. This deflection/misdirection routine has gotten old and boring and ridiculously obvious. It's the hallmark of someone whose position can't be defended with facts or reason. It's what politicians do when caught on the losing side of a position: spin, deflect, change the subject, drag in countless extraneous topics, then deflect some more and shovel the night droppings of a male bovine as fast as possible. FFS, do better than this. You're clearly capable of doing so.

Any time you try to sit on the moral mountain of "Omg I have to use big words because you're so dumb" this video plays through my head, mostly because of the similarities in shirts, the tone of anger you have in your posts - but because you come into this with this preconceived superiority. It's so hilariously tired, it used to really get at me but after rewatching the bagel boss stuff I always look forward to "I'm big smart guy you are little dumb dumb" posts.



Here's something to sum it up for you.

1. Many posters here were happy that Elon took over Twitter because prominent conservative accounts were banned.
2. One of them was Libs of TikTok who promotes hateful content
3. One of those examples was the BCH incident which resulted in their ban and subsequent scrutiny from Twitter.
4. Elon's personal jet data is in the public discourse
5. A whackjob jumps on his car
6. Elon ban's reporters who are sharing the link or sharing a story with the link
7. Many here are happy that this is happening
8. These same people were upset at Twitter for "censoring" conservatives, but are celebrating this.


Does that compute? Sorry I couldn't get to the bakers dozen of points, but I hope you can go through those 8 points and see how it's all related. If not well I'm sorry and I'll catch you at the next Elon-ball-chortling session.

PS - Wait till you see what his kid is named....!
 

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Gosh, I can't imagine why posters describe conversing with you as the Toronto Vortex.
 

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1. Many posters here were happy that Elon took over Twitter because prominent conservative accounts were banned.
2. One of them was Libs of TikTok who promotes hateful content
3. One of those examples was the BCH incident which resulted in their ban and subsequent scrutiny from Twitter.
4. Elon's personal jet data is in the public discourse
5. A whackjob jumps on his car
6. Elon ban's reporters who are sharing the link or sharing a story with the link
7. Many here are happy that this is happening
8. These same people were upset at Twitter for "censoring" conservatives, but are celebrating this.
1. Ok, sure. It's public knowledge at this point that conservative accounts were targeted and banned in the past.
2. How does Libs of TikTok promote hateful content? It's quite the opposite. They literally just repost liberal content as a means to call out bad behavior. They're not creating the content, they link it and effectively say "Hey, this is wrong."
3. I'm not rehashing that one again.
4. It's not though, it's already been pointed out it's not freely public data outside of a social media account obtaining the information and spreading it. It's not like a standard commercial flight.
5. Yup.
6. Yup, some were providing the flight info and encouraging others to do the same after Elon's Jet Twitter account was suspended for the same. This information is what led to the psycho in #5 ambushing his family.
7. I'm not happy about any of this (Well, except Keith getting a timeout, he needs to touch grass more and loosen up). I would prefer they didn't break the rules and endanger others. You bring up a good point though, for awhile liberals have been saying free speech is a threat to democracy and trying to silence conservatives, but when the shoe is on the other foot they cry censorship.
8. Conservatives were censored for saying Rachel Levine is a man, and questioning "facts" like the COVID jab would prevent infection and transmission of the virus, many of which were permanent bans till Elon took over. These recent suspensions are temporary and put people's lives at risk. It's a little different.
 

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I don’t blame him…..I wouldn’t want someone posting my location online everytime I leave the house.
Don’t we do that with the ND plane for recruiting? I don’t see any difference. It’s public info. They aren’t posting his “real time location.” They are posting where his private jet is at the moment.
 

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Don’t we do that with the ND plane for recruiting? I don’t see any difference. It’s public info. They aren’t posting his “real time location.” They are posting where his private jet is at the moment.
We've already been over this though. It's not public data like a commercial flight:
 

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Here's something to sum it up for you.

1. Many posters here were happy that Elon took over Twitter because prominent conservative accounts were banned.
2. One of them was Libs of TikTok who promotes hateful content

8. These same people were upset at Twitter for "censoring" conservatives, but are celebrating this.
LibsofTikTok does post hateful content, but it does not generate hateful content. It's just posting hateful liberals, generally, groomers and freaks who make up a big chunk of the left-wing constituency.

Twitter did censor, suppressed, and targeted conservatives. It's not alleged anymore. All of the shadow-banning conspiracy theories turned out to be true.

It's just funny to me because liberals in the press are finally experiencing what they ignored for years and tried to debunk.
 

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We've already been over this though. It's not public data like a commercial flight:
I haven’t read through the thread, but from what I’ve read from media sources is the guy who was posting the locations compiled the data from publicly available records. Im not saying he SHOULD do it, but he isn’t doing anything illegal. The only reason it’s such a big deal is that Musk passes himself off like he’s all for unrestricted free speech, and then freaks out when someone says or does something he doesn’t like.
 

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I haven’t read through the thread, but from what I’ve read from media sources is the guy who was posting the locations compiled the data from publicly available records. Im not saying he SHOULD do it, but he isn’t doing anything illegal. The only reason it’s such a big deal is that Musk passes himself off like he’s all for unrestricted free speech, and then freaks out when someone says or does something he doesn’t like.
It was a link specifically to @sixstar 's post. The guy posting Elon's flight information is disseminating data to identify Elon's private anonymous plane ID and he posts everything publicly. It's not quite like going on FAA's flight tracker and looking up "Elon Musk's plane." That very information is what was used to locate and attack his family.

Huh, are the people complaining about this the same people that said Twitter is a private company that can do what they want and that banning Trump was a nothing burger?

And the media is trying to paint this as innocent publishing of public data, but that is false. Elon pays for a service to keep his flight info private.



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Amazingly the only CNN story on Elon. The irony considering Elon is revealed today emails between the FBI and Twitter and how the FBI even asked for user locations. If Toronto wants to talk about hypocrisy, let’s discuss.

Opinion: Elon Musk is running Twitter like dictators run their states​


 

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I haven’t read through the thread, but from what I’ve read from media sources is the guy who was posting the locations compiled the data from publicly available records. Im not saying he SHOULD do it, but he isn’t doing anything illegal. The only reason it’s such a big deal is that Musk passes himself off like he’s all for unrestricted free speech, and then freaks out when someone says or does something he doesn’t like.

Looks like the media is misleading the general public to push a narrative... Yet again.

At some point you have to stop trusting what the TV tells you.
 

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It was a link specifically to @sixstar 's post. The guy posting Elon's flight information is disseminating data to identify Elon's private anonymous plane ID and he posts everything publicly. It's not quite like going on FAA's flight tracker and looking up "Elon Musk's plane." That very information is what was used to locate and attack his family.





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And I don’t disagree with any of it. The original premise I was responding to was “when did the libs turn their back on Musk?” it was when he revealed himself as a massive hypcrite who is trying to re-stir the shit from the last six years so people are talking about him.
 

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And I don’t disagree with any of it. The original premise I was responding to was “when did the libs turn their back on Musk?” it was when he revealed himself as a massive hypcrite who is trying to re-stir the shit from the last six years so people are talking about him.
“Re-stir”… 😂 So you already knew the FBI was meeting Twitter for a weekly briefing?And then using Twitter to censor politicians and things they didn’t agree with? And the FBI was requesting the location of certain posters? Should have said something before now… but then again you would have been a right wing hack conspiracy theorist.
 

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And I don’t disagree with any of it. The original premise I was responding to was “when did the libs turn their back on Musk?” it was when he revealed himself as a massive hypcrite who is trying to re-stir the shit from the last six years so people are talking about him.
Elon definitely likes attention, no lie.
 

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“Re-stir”… 😂 So you already knew the FBI was meeting Twitter for a weekly briefing?And then using Twitter to censor politicians and things they didn’t agree with? And the FBI was requesting the location of certain posters? Should have said something before now… but then again you would have been a right wing hack conspiracy theorist.
I’m not defending any of that, nor was it the point of my post. He’s trying to be the center of the media universe. He literally has tens of $billions tied up in it. Besides, he’s the owner of the company that was doing all that crap. Meanwhile, I’ve never had a Twitter account.
 

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OK, this literally made me laugh out loud when I read it. The US State Department and a number of Democrats are complaining that Musk's running of Twitter doesn't support free speech like they all do. Really. Yeah, they really are complaining about that. With a straight face. You know, the same folks who had the FBI work with Twitter to suppress conservatives. The same ones who cheered and celebrated every time a conservative got their Twitter account suspended for speaking out against the nonsense. Yeah, those "bastions of free speech" folks.

Note the intellectual dishonesty in some of these claims. They're complaining that Musk suspended the accounts of journalists who cover him and Twitter, and are critical of the company. No, he suspended the accounts of those who doxxed his location and travels, putting his family at risk, not for criticizing him or his businesses. That sort of intentionally misleading, yellow journalism is a big part of why so many of us have grown to despise most journalists. Too many are as trustworthy as a 30 year old condom.

I don't remember any of these folks touting free speech when their own people were using Twitter and other social media platforms to silence conservatives. Their complete obliviousness to the irony and hypocrisy (or more likely, just the gall and willful dishonesty) is amazing. This is like listening to the Nazi war criminals at Nuremburg complain about their jail conditions. :ROFLMAO: All that's left now is for the usual suspects to deflect & make excuses for it. :rolleyes:


Musk’s Journalist Bans Rile Lawmakers, and Draw a Rare Biden Team Rebuke

Story by Steven T. Dennis, Anna Edgerton and Courtney McBride • Yesterday 2:04 PM​

(Bloomberg) -- The US State Department took the unusual step of joining the chorus of critics weighing in on Elon Musk’s snap decision to suspend the accounts of reporters and others who cover him, suggesting his actions are inconsistent with principles of free speech.

Musk’s action on Thursday has opened a new front for complaints and concerns in Congress, the administration and overseas about how he’s running one of the world’s most influential social media platforms.

Asked what message Musk’s suspension sends to other countries, department deputy spokesman Vedant Patel said Friday it was “difficult to square how these removals are consistent with promoting free exchange.”

“Social media companies make their own independent decisions about content moderation and I’m not going to comment on their specific private actions,” Patel said. “But what I will say is this department’s support for free speech and freedom of the press is well documented.”

The comment was a rare foray into the controversy by the Biden administration, which has largely declined to comment about Musk’s actions.

It’s not clear that this latest controversy will rise to the level of congressional action. But lawmakers in the House and Senate had already been considering bringing Musk in to testify next year on a variety of issues. The backlash against Musk also has spread among senior European politicians, with threats of future sanctions and lawmakers leaving the platform.

Musk’s move “only underscores the danger of his erratic leadership,” Representative Adam Schiff said in a statement. “He should immediately reinstate the suspended journalists and provide clarity to Congress on the rash decision to ban them in the first place.“

“Musk’s willingness to tolerate hate and his intolerance for journalistic criticism make a mockery of his claims to support moderation or free speech,” Schiff said.

Some Democrats and Republicans in the US have raised concerns about his business ties to China as Tesla Inc.’s chief executive. Senate Judiciary Chairman Dick Durbin on Friday asked Musk to respond to questions about how he is handling the threat of child exploitation given staff cutbacks at Twitter. A GOP aide said separately the new Republican House majority is likely to ask him to come as well to testify about alleged anti-conservative bias, as well as links to China and other topics.

Democratic Representative Lori Trahan of Massachusetts tweeted late Thursday that she had earlier met with a Twitter representative who promised the company would not retaliate against tweets critical of the company.
 
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I’m not defending any of that, nor was it the point of my post. He’s trying to be the center of the media universe. He literally has tens of $billions tied up in it. Besides, he’s the owner of the company that was doing all that crap. Meanwhile, I’ve never had a Twitter account.
What do you suppose Elon do with this information? Conservatives and conservatives media was shouting this for years but they were called conspiracy theorists and spreaders of misinfo. Now that the real story comes out proving the conservatives and the conservative media was right all along it’s now attention seeking? This information should make him the center of the media universe, but sadly liberal media won’t report on it.

Sure Elon has an agenda, everyone does. Is part of that agenda some attention? Sure. But so what… He’s also a business man. 🤷‍♂️
 

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What do you suppose Elon do with this information? Conservatives and conservatives media was shouting this for years but they were called conspiracy theorists and spreaders of misinfo. Now that the real story comes out proving the conservatives and the conservative media was right all along it’s now attention seeking? This information should make him the center of the media universe, but sadly liberal media won’t report on it.

Sure Elon has an agenda, everyone does. Is part of that agenda some attention? Sure. But so what… He’s also a business man. 🤷‍♂️
Misinformation on social media is a cause of a lot of the country’s divisiveness. I always assumed Twitter and the other platforms were working to rein it in. It would be irresponsible to do anything else. I’ve not read much about the FBI/Twitter stuff yet, but it sounds deeply distressing.

But let’s get real … the right was full of nut job conspiracy theories from baby eating, to rigged elections, to all of the asinine Q bullshit. Twitter was trying to get their arms around a whole shit ton of propaganda. Still, Musk overpaid for the platform insisting he was going to turn it into a bastion of free speech, which I have no issue at all with, as I said. He just flushes any credibility he has when it comes to free speech when he blocks journalists who report about the upheaval at his company or track his plane. It’s almost like he doesn’t give a shit about free speech at all … just being who people are talking about. And if he turns Twitter into the big-money 4chan, his advertisers will leave in droves, his company will go tits up. Really savvy businessman, that Musk. Dumping poison into your most recent business venture seems like the opposite of a good business decision.
 

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Misinformation on social media is a cause of a lot of the country’s divisiveness. I always assumed Twitter and the other platforms were working to rein it in. It would be irresponsible to do anything else. I’ve not read much about the FBI/Twitter stuff yet, but it sounds deeply distressing.

But let’s get real … the right was full of nut job conspiracy theories from baby eating, to rigged elections, to all of the asinine Q bullshit. Twitter was trying to get their arms around a whole shit ton of propaganda. Still, Musk overpaid for the platform insisting he was going to turn it into a bastion of free speech, which I have no issue at all with, as I said. He just flushes any credibility he has when it comes to free speech when he blocks journalists who report about the upheaval at his company or track his plane. It’s almost like he doesn’t give a shit about free speech at all … just being who people are talking about. And if he turns Twitter into the big-money 4chan, his advertisers will leave in droves, his company will go tits up. Really savvy businessman, that Musk. Dumping poison into your most recent business venture seems like the opposite of a good business decision.
I think it’s amazing you know all about who Elon has blocked but yet still have not read the stuff he’s released yet you still make excuses for it. Both sides are full of conspiracy theories. One screams rigged voting machines, the other screams rigged election with Trump/Russia. One screams Hunters laptop and shady business dealings involving Joe Biden, the other screaming Russian collusion. One side screaming China Lab theory, the other side screaming masks and shutdowns will get rid of Covid. If you think conspiracy theories are just a right wing thing you are the problem. Blaming these nut job conspiracy theories on why the Hunter story was blocked on Twitter also shows your ignorance. The FBI had the laptop at that point and knew it was true but colluded with Twitter to suppress it. That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s the facts. But you don’t care, because Elon is getting too much attention.
 

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I think it’s amazing you know all about who Elon has blocked but yet still have not read the stuff he’s released yet you still make excuses for it. Both sides are full of conspiracy theories. One screams rigged voting machines, the other screams rigged election with Trump/Russia. One screams Hunters laptop and shady business dealings involving Joe Biden, the other screaming Russian collusion. One side screaming China Lab theory, the other side screaming masks and shutdowns will get rid of Covid. If you think conspiracy theories are just a right wing thing you are the problem. Blaming these nut job conspiracy theories on why the Hunter story was blocked on Twitter also shows your ignorance. The FBI had the laptop at that point and knew it was true but colluded with Twitter to suppress it. That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s the facts. But you don’t care, because Elon is getting too much attention.
I know he blocked JOURNALISTS because he didn’t like their coverage and that is the opposite of free speech. And that’s the point I made. If you want to know what I think about anything, you should ask me. I’m not shy. I promise I’ll tell you so there is no need to make assumptions about what I think when we are talking and you could just ask.
 

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I know he blocked JOURNALISTS because he didn’t like their coverage and that is the opposite of free speech. And that’s the point I made. If you want to know what I think about anything, you should ask me. I’m not shy. I promise I’ll tell you so there is no need to make assumptions about what I think when we are talking and you could just ask.
And that is all CNN wants you to know.

Do you think Elon might think he has a target on his back for releasing what he’s releasing? Any conservative journalists reporting on Elons location? Convenient outage.
 

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Misinformation on social media is a cause of a lot of the country’s divisiveness. I always assumed Twitter and the other platforms were working to rein it in. It would be irresponsible to do anything else. I’ve not read much about the FBI/Twitter stuff yet, but it sounds deeply distressing.
Except that they weren't. They were spreading TONS of it - propaganda for one side - while silencing the other side when they tried to point it out and fight it. Not only was it Twitter, but we've now found out in the past couple of weeks, the FBI was working with them to suppress any dissent. That should anger EVERYONE! Out own government actively suppressing free speech and dissenting views.
But let’s get real … the right was full of nut job conspiracy theories from baby eating, to rigged elections, to all of the asinine Q bullshit. Twitter was trying to get their arms around a whole shit ton of propaganda. Still, Musk overpaid for the platform insisting he was going to turn it into a bastion of free speech, which I have no issue at all with, as I said. He just flushes any credibility he has when it comes to free speech when he blocks journalists who report about the upheaval at his company or track his plane. It’s almost like he doesn’t give a shit about free speech at all … just being who people are talking about. And if he turns Twitter into the big-money 4chan, his advertisers will leave in droves, his company will go tits up. Really savvy businessman, that Musk. Dumping poison into your most recent business venture seems like the opposite of a good business decision.
This is simply a misguided, misinformed statement. Musk hasn't suspended any journalists' accounts for criticizing him or his business. The accounts he suspended were those that were disclosing his private, personal info such as flight tracking (he uses a private service that does not make the info available to the public).

Dec 15 (Reuters) - Twitter on Thursday suspended the accounts of several prominent journalists who recently wrote about its new owner Elon Musk, with the billionaire tweeting that rules banning the publishing of personal information applied to all, including journalists.

Responding to a Tweet on the account suspensions, Musk, who has described himself as a free speech absolutist, tweeted: "Same doxxing rules apply to 'journalists' as to everyone else," a reference to Twitter rules banning the sharing of personal information, called doxxing.

"Criticizing me all day long is totally fine, but doxxing my real-time location and endangering my family is not," Musk tweeted on Thursday.

"You dox, you get suspended. End of story," Musk said in a Twitter Spaces chat amongst journalists than he dropped in on briefly Thursday evening.

Musk had stated that the suspensions would last for a week, but reinstated most of the accounts Saturday morning, less that 48 hours after suspending them.

There is NO legitimate reason anyone would have to publish his flight info other than harassment and inviting someone to harm him or his family. Doxxing is not cool. It's nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to invite harassment and even violence onto its target.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say he did suspend someone's account for criticizing him or expressing an opinion he didn't like. Would you say that was uncalled for? I gather you would. I'd agree with you too. What I can't understand is why you and the rest of the Leftist crowd who are so bothered by false allegations of it now didn't have a word to say against it when it was actually happening to Conservatives before Musk bought Twitter. Are you only in favor of free speech for one side? Do you want your side's rights protected, but aren't concerned about anyone else's? I'll try not to assume, and instead let you explain why you and the rest didn't complain when it was happening to others.
 

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Except that they weren't. They were spreading TONS of it - propaganda for one side - while silencing the other side when they tried to point it out and fight it. Not only was it Twitter, but we've now found out in the past couple of weeks, the FBI was working with them to suppress any dissent. That should anger EVERYONE! Out own government actively suppressing free speech and dissenting views.

This is simply a misguided, misinformed statement. Musk hasn't suspended any journalists' accounts for criticizing him or his business. The accounts he suspended were those that were disclosing his private, personal info such as flight tracking (he uses a private service that does not make the info available to the public).



There is NO legitimate reason anyone would have to publish his flight info other than harassment and inviting someone to harm him or his family. Doxxing is not cool. It's nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to invite harassment and even violence onto its target.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say he did suspend someone's account for criticizing him or expressing an opinion he didn't like. Would you say that was uncalled for? I gather you would. I'd agree with you too. What I can't understand is why you and the rest of the Leftist crowd who are so bothered by false allegations of it now didn't have a word to say against it when it was actually happening to Conservatives before Musk bought Twitter. Are you only in favor of free speech for one side? Do you want your side's rights protected, but aren't concerned about anyone else's? I'll try not to assume, and instead let you explain why you and the rest didn't complain when it was happening to others.
I’m not defending doxing. WTF are you talking about? I’m calling Elon a billionaire attention whore who is trying to create a platform that does exactly what you said it does — pass on information that is false. I didn’t run Twitter. I didn’t use Twitter and hope he runs that piece of shit company into the ground. Don’t be mad at me. Elon is a provocateur … mess with the bull, get the horns. This has nothing to do with free speech.
 

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I’m not defending doxing. WTF are you talking about? I’m calling Elon a billionaire attention whore who is trying to create a platform that does exactly what you said it does — pass on information that is false. I didn’t run Twitter. I didn’t use Twitter and hope he runs that piece of shit company into the ground. Don’t be mad at me. Elon is a provocateur … mess with the bull, get the horns. This has nothing to do with free speech.
I think they are doing a better job of cracking down on misinformation since he took over actually. The Birdwatch feature or whatever it's called where users can provide sources and fact check information is helpful. I've seen a lot of politicians on both sides get hit with it in the last month.
 

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I think they are doing a better job of cracking down on misinformation since he took over actually. The Birdwatch feature or whatever it's called where users can provide sources and fact check information is helpful. I've seen a lot of politicians on both sides get hit with it in the last month.
Again, I don’t use Twitter, but I suspect there will be some changes made that are good but his overall approach is to sponsor a forum for vitriol to flourish. What was his first tweet … “Trump, Kanye, Elon.” I mean? … Everything this guy does is a freakin’ “look at me, I’m the center of the universe” sideshow and he doesn’t give a damn how much damage can be done, has been done already. Musk is a POS, IMO.
 
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I think they are doing a better job of cracking down on misinformation since he took over actually. The Birdwatch feature or whatever it's called where users can provide sources and fact check information is helpful. I've seen a lot of politicians on both sides get hit with it in the last month.
Finally seeing Biden lies get called out for the first time is good. They’ve been given an insane amount of room to spread disinformation from the White House.
 

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Because a celebrity with a PJ isn't landing at the same terminals as you or I? Sorry to burst your bubble but we do not use the same airports/terminals as the ultra elite.


The site FlightRadar24 crashed when Pelosi went to Taiwan, didn't see this group get upset about her safety then...wonder why.

Were you this upset about the Boston Children's Hospital regarding nutjobs and the multiple bomb threats which resulted in their ban? Or nah? Or was it worse that they got banned and it was Big Tech censorship?
Toronto opening the Vortex hoping I step in.
 
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