Mark May is Wrong

IRISHDODGER

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Get your facts straight MayDay.

Rece Davis was explaining the difference between Bill Callahan & Charlie Weis. He noted that, as of today, ND had one of the top recruiting classes & has been able to keep them in the fold despite the horrible season.

May was chomping at the bit to give his 2 cents. He noted that Weis has recruited one of the top recruiting classes the last 4 years but it hasn't translated on the field. Really? Well the last two years were top 10 material. The one before that, the '05 class, was one of the smallest in ND history. Most of the class was recruited by Willingham as CW had to play catch up after the Super Bowl.

The class before that was all on Willingham & consisted of very little elite talent. In fact, only seven players remain from that class.

You had your chance to take an easy cheap shot, MayDay & you ruined it. Of course, the only ones who will notice your misstatement is us ND fans. Let's hope the coaches set the record straight if the recruits heard May's propaganda.

It's just like politics where the liberal media twists the facts to serve their liberal agenda. So if you're a liberal & an ND fan, you know how us conservatives feel after listening to the likes of ESPN or more specifically, Mark May.
 

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Oh well. It doesn't matter if we have the #1 recruiting classes for the next five years if we can't win on the field.

If we win, who cares what they say at that point.
 

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Oh well. It doesn't matter if we have the #1 recruiting classes for the next five years if we can't win on the field.

If we win, who cares what they say at that point.

I agree but this current team has limited talent & the talent it does have has limited experience (most of it coming this season).

Don't get me wrong, that's no excuse for the fact that the OL has yet to improve this season or that the defense is below average or that the QB is no better than a backup in the MAC.
 

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Ah, the fickle media. Just a few weeks ago they were proclaiming Ron Zook's vindication as an actual football coach instead of just a good recruiter. The very next game they lost, keeping him at never having won more than 5 games in a row as a head coach. They're just looking for a story, they don't bother to care if it's accurate or not. Too much work with no monetary payout.
 
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Other possible titles for this thread:

1) Jumping in water will make you wet.
2) 2+2=4
3) Lou is short.
4) The Miami Dolphins are having a bad season.
5) Mark May is an ass.
 

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Get your facts straight MayDay.

Rece Davis was explaining the difference between Bill Callahan & Charlie Weis. He noted that, as of today, ND had one of the top recruiting classes & has been able to keep them in the fold despite the horrible season.

May was chomping at the bit to give his 2 cents. He noted that Weis has recruited one of the top recruiting classes the last 4 years but it hasn't translated on the field. Really? Well the last two years were top 10 material. The one before that, the '05 class, was one of the smallest in ND history. Most of the class was recruited by Willingham as CW had to play catch up after the Super Bowl.

The class before that was all on Willingham & consisted of very little elite talent. In fact, only seven players remain from that class.

You had your chance to take an easy cheap shot, MayDay & you ruined it. Of course, the only ones who will notice your misstatement is us ND fans. Let's hope the coaches set the record straight if the recruits heard May's propaganda.

It's just like politics where the liberal media twists the facts to serve their liberal agenda. So if you're a liberal & an ND fan, you know how us conservatives feel after listening to the likes of ESPN or more specifically, Mark May.

Nice spin... lol
 

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The problem is clearly not recruiting like the so called experts have been saying, but player development is. Underclassmen are performing much better at the top tier schools. Next year will tell the story whether or not Weis can get those young players to excel at a consistent level.
 

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The problem is clearly not recruiting like the so called experts have been saying, but player development is. Underclassmen are performing much better at the top tier schools. Next year will tell the story whether or not Weis can get those young players to excel at a consistent level.

totally agree
 

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The problem is clearly not recruiting like the so called experts have been saying, but player development is. Underclassmen are performing much better at the top tier schools. Next year will tell the story whether or not Weis can get those young players to excel at a consistent level.

While I agree that the players should be developing faster than they are, I don't think you can honestly compare them to what other schools are doing. Are other schools bringing along a few, or even a handful, of underclassmen? Or are they relying on underclassmen at almost every skill position? The problem with youth on this team is not so much the lack of individual experience, but the lack of team experience, across the board. We have underclassmen all over the field, not just at a couple of positions.
 

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While I agree that the players should be developing faster than they are, I don't think you can honestly compare them to what other schools are doing. Are other schools bringing along a few, or even a handful, of underclassmen? Or are they relying on underclassmen at almost every skill position? The problem with youth on this team is not so much the lack of individual experience, but the lack of team experience, across the board. We have underclassmen all over the field, not just at a couple of positions.

What you say is a reason that our players might not have developed AS MUCH as players at those other schools ... it doesn't excuse the fact that many of them don't look to have developed AT ALL ...
 

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What you say is a reason that our players might not have developed AS MUCH as players at those other schools ... it doesn't excuse the fact that many of them don't look to have developed AT ALL ...

I'm not saying I don't agree with you, but I'm curious to know who you think has not developed at all?
 

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It is a strange question to ask, the results make it seem like we haven't developed our young players at all, but the stats and the games suggest otherwise. Almost all our offensive production (such as it is) comes from underclassmen. Kamara looks like far and away out best receiver, Grimes and West look bad when they are out there. Tate and Parris also seem to be out-performing the old guys. At RB, we are all happier when TT stays off the field, and he's the only older guy we got. Ditto defensive underclassmen. Ian Williams has played very well, as have the two young OLB's Neal and Smith. Almost all the young guys who are playing seem to be playing well, at least for their age.

The only position where the young guys look like crap is the OL. I want to say we can't develop guys because it makes everything simpler and less complicated, but I'm not sure if the facts can justify this. Is OL just a harder position to contribute to with multiple new starters? Perhaps. I don't know. But many of our young guys are looking quite good, and I think it's disingenuous to simply say "we can't develop young talent."
 

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What you say is a reason that our players might not have developed AS MUCH as players at those other schools ... it doesn't excuse the fact that many of them don't look to have developed AT ALL ...

who is on our team to develop?? Anthony Vernaglia??? Walls and a fe3w of the freshman have made strides... the top tier talent that we DO have right now is just too young... should we be 1-8... no way... but I still say give CW this time next year... if no the same problems remain... then obvious steps must be made
 

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Things we are missing

Things we are missing

Here are some elements mssing from ND.

- Shotgun snap capabilitiy (rather than fix it we give up)
- Where are the quick 5-10 yard slant passes to Kumara etc?
- Corner blitzes (what do we have to lose?)
- Bubble screen (what do we have to lose?)
- QB draw
- Pass to RB/AA out of the backfield (not a screen pass)
- Shovel pass
- Quick pitch sweep
- A good fake field goal like the one LSU used
- Bootleg
- Luke Schmidt at FB
- What happened to Junior Jabbie?
- Halfback pass
- Chris Stewart in short yardage?
 

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Here are some elements mssing from ND.

- Shotgun snap capabilitiy (rather than fix it we give up)
- Where are the quick 5-10 yard slant passes to Kumara etc?
- Corner blitzes (what do we have to lose?)
- Bubble screen (what do we have to lose?)
- QB draw
- Pass to RB/AA out of the backfield (not a screen pass)
- Shovel pass
- Quick pitch sweep
- A good fake field goal like the one LSU used
- Bootleg
- Luke Schmidt at FB
- What happened to Junior Jabbie?

nice... although the screen game this year has been a disater... but we were so good at the slant pass the past two years... what happened to that??
 

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Here are some elements mssing from ND.

- Shotgun snap capabilitiy (rather than fix it we give up)
- Where are the quick 5-10 yard slant passes to Kumara etc?
- Corner blitzes (what do we have to lose?)
- Bubble screen (what do we have to lose?)
- QB draw
- Pass to RB/AA out of the backfield (not a screen pass)
- Shovel pass
- Quick pitch sweep
- A good fake field goal like the one LSU used
- Bootleg
- Luke Schmidt at FB
- What happened to Junior Jabbie?
- Halfback pass
- Chris Stewart in short yardage?

Gimmick plays rarely work and you can't rely on them.
 
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