Marcus Freeman Revisited

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Tough crowd. I went back and read everything starting during the game Saturday. Mostly it was overly emotional nonsense after a 28-3 win. IE is better than this.

Do tell.

 

[OhioIrish]

Tough crowd. I went back and read everything starting during the game Saturday. Mostly it was overly emotional nonsense after a 28-3 win. IE is better than this.

Why would you do that to yourself? 😂

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The first quarter and a half was pretty rough to watch offensively, but they play 4 quarters for a reason.

I'll take a 28-3 win at home. There's a lot of work to be done, however, that much is for sure. Apart from that I'm not going to twist my internal organs about it.

 

[HouseofPain]

The first quarter and a half was pretty rough to watch offensively, but they play 4 quarters for a reason.

I'll take a 28-3 win at home. There's a lot of work to be done, however, that much is for sure. Apart from that I'm not going to twist my internal organs about it.

28-3 win vs the worse team in the MAC isnt exactly something to brag about. Especially since the 1st half was pretty neck and neck.
For a team from a school like ND, that is shameful. And 99% of it fell on the fact that ND has a coach that cant see reality. He is paid to put the best players on the field that gives the team that people with a last name not Freeman, financially support and make happen, the best chance to win. Unfortunately, ND has a coach that doesnt have much common sense nor care regarding those that actually pay his inflated salary.

Unfortunately, one more year of "what ifs" for the ND fanbase.

 

[SoIll]

Frank Commentary

Mike Frank offers his thoughts on Saturday's win, and the big picture.

irishsportsdaily.com

Mike Frank with a little MF hit piece. Mike Frank also sucks so its irrelaventish

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

28-3 win vs the worse team in the MAC isnt exactly something to brag about. Especially since the 1st half was pretty neck and neck.
For a team from a school like ND, that is shameful. And 99% of it fell on the fact that ND has a coach that cant see reality. He is paid to put the best players on the field that gives the team that people with a last name not Freeman, financially support and make happen, the best chance to win. Unfortunately, ND has a coach that doesnt have much common sense nor care regarding those that actually pay his inflated salary.

Unfortunately, one more year of "what ifs" for the ND fanbase.

Didn't get past this sentence of your post. They were 11-3 last year and MAC Champions. They've played three P4 teams this year and lost to all of them.

I find it difficult to call Miami of OH the "worse team" in the MAC. I would suspect that others might as well when you take the emotion out of the equation.

The worst team in the MAC at present is Kent State.

 

[notredomer23]

Frank Commentary

Mike Frank offers his thoughts on Saturday's win, and the big picture.

irishsportsdaily.com

Mike Frank with a little MF hit piece. Mike Frank also sucks so its irrelaventish

I agree with the gist of the article but also blaming Riley Leonard's fumble and a brand new offensive line missing some blocks on Marcus Freeman's coaching ability is some mental gymnastics here by MF

 

[IA4irish]

This was pretty damning from the nbc broadcast. You have 12 games. How do you not get your team ready? That is a huge Freeman problem year after year

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

So, do you guys want BK back? What about Weis? Willingham, Davies? Remember, BK left for what he thought were greener pastures. I'm curious who your ND football savior is.

 

[Guyjin37]

This was pretty damning from the nbc broadcast. You have 12 games. How do you not get your team ready? That is a huge Freeman problem year after year

Well it took an already very experienced coach 7 years at ND before his teams stopped losing games like NIU. And even after BK figured that out (by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc) he still couldn't win any big games. I don't think you can throw around the term "year after year" and be genuine about it, seeing as this is only MF's third year.

This isn't directed at you specifically IA4irish--I think you're a good poster--but irishenvy is the new ndnation. Sucks for the OGs around here.

 

[NDWarrior]

1) There have only been 4 games so we need to give MF and staff the BoTD since he certainly won't be going anywhere this year
2) If a change is made - likely sometime next year if so - The Admin should go after someone like Curt Cignetti at IU who has slowly and steady been proving himself as an experienced HC - When's the last time ND went that route? Oh yeah, BK... Who was not perfect but could have been worse. We just need to catch the right up and coming coach and have a little luck that they knock it out of the park with stellar recruiting, developing players, and winning games!

 

[IrishTusker]

Well it took an already very experienced coach 7 years at ND before his teams stopped losing games like NIU. And even after BK figured that out (by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc) he still couldn't win any big games. I don't think you can throw around the term "year after year" and be genuine about it, seeing as this is only MF's third year.

This isn't directed at you specifically IA4irish--I think you're a good poster--but irishenvy is the new ndnation. Sucks for the OGs around here.

Lol. Mass isn't why we were losing to Tulsa. Holtz didn't lose to Tulsa.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

So, do you guys want BK back? What about Weis? Willingham, Davies? Remember, BK left for what he thought were greener pastures. I'm curious who your ND football savior is.

 

[Guyjin37]

Lol. Mass isn't why we were losing to Tulsa. Holtz didn't lose to Tulsa.

Yeah I agree with you. "by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc"
But I never mentioned Holtz. That wasn't part of my argument. So I don't really get your point.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Have the boos ever been louder or more prominent? I don’t think so.

2007. all of the games. lol

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Guys…we aren’t talking about some supremely talented guy In Angeli. He isn’t good either. If Minchey or Carr did enough to be qb2, i would get it. But Angeli is not a special talent and isn’t good enough of a passer to make people scared

We are talking about a guy who can at least complete passes and keep the offense on schedule. We have two really good running backs who can run the football, we don't need a third with a below average arm.

I'm one of the posters on here who often times laughs at "ND Fan's favorite player" - the backup QB. In this instance, we have a guy who clearly isn't comfortable throwing the ball. He has happy feet in the pocket. He is missing routine throws to wide open players. This is not a sustainable formula for success: hoping that Riley can somehow run for 100+ against better defenses who are going to be well prepared for it.

With Angeli, at least we know we will have an accurate QB who will make decisive throws and keep a defense honest. He did it against Oregon St with a skeleton WR crew, and he displayed how much better his arm is than Riley's against Purdue in the second half.

 

[IA4irish]

Well it took an already very experienced coach 7 years at ND before his teams stopped losing games like NIU. And even after BK figured that out (by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc) he still couldn't win any big games. I don't think you can throw around the term "year after year" and be genuine about it, seeing as this is only MF's third year.

This isn't directed at you specifically IA4irish--I think you're a good poster--but irishenvy is the new ndnation. Sucks for the OGs around here.

No offense taken. Hate to be critical of freeman but I think it’s warranted. The dei and act stuff on here is embarrassing. However, he inherited a top tier program. He has lost in embarrassing fashion for three years now and some of his comments just don’t instill confidence going forward

 

[IrishTusker]

Yeah I agree with you. "by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc"
But I never mentioned Holtz. That wasn't part of my argument. So I don't really get your point.

My point is that Holtz's players went to Mass and didn't lose to Tulsa. The idea that going to Mass causes a team to lose games to Tulsa is bizarre. This isn't even a Catholic point, specifically, it's just that coaches sometimes attempt to blame existing ND practices like that for their own failures.

 

[KMac151993]

Well it took an already very experienced coach 7 years at ND before his teams stopped losing games like NIU. And even after BK figured that out (by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc) he still couldn't win any big games. I don't think you can throw around the term "year after year" and be genuine about it, seeing as this is only MF's third year.

This isn't directed at you specifically IA4irish--I think you're a good poster--but irishenvy is the new ndnation. Sucks for the OGs around here.

You sir are not an OG...you joined in 2011.

 

[Hautian Domer]

My point is that Holtz's players went to Mass and didn't lose to Tulsa. The idea that going to Mass causes a team to lose games to Tulsa is bizarre. This isn't even a Catholic point, specifically, it's just that coaches sometimes attempt to blame existing ND practices like that for their own failures.

I love the pregame Mass at the Basilica. It's a great tradition and I also think its a good idea. I hated when Kelly removed it.

 

[Hautian Domer]

Well it took an already very experienced coach 7 years at ND before his teams stopped losing games like NIU. And even after BK figured that out (by doing things like removing Sunday mass, etc) he still couldn't win any big games. I don't think you can throw around the term "year after year" and be genuine about it, seeing as this is only MF's third year.

This isn't directed at you specifically IA4irish--I think you're a good poster--but irishenvy is the new ndnation. Sucks for the OGs around here.

I can't believe NDNation's message board is still that hard to read in 2024.

 

[Rocketman84]

They didn't even have it when I was in HS. lol

Huh? No way you were born before 1959, maybe you just didnt take it.

 

[allenm5333]

We are talking about a guy who can at least complete passes and keep the offense on schedule. We have two really good running backs who can run the football, we don't need a third with a below average arm.

I'm one of the posters on here who often times laughs at "ND Fan's favorite player" - the backup QB. In this instance, we have a guy who clearly isn't comfortable throwing the ball. He has happy feet in the pocket. He is missing routine throws to wide open players. This is not a sustainable formula for success: hoping that Riley can somehow run for 100+ against better defenses who are going to be well prepared for it.

With Angeli, at least we know we will have an accurate QB who will make decisive throws and keep a defense honest. He did it against Oregon St with a skeleton WR crew, and he displayed how much better his arm is than Riley's against Purdue in the second half.

Leonard makes the defense play 11 on 11. With Steve, he isn't enough of a run threat. Angeli isn't that accurate, missed easy throws. And I say this as someone who refers to Leonard as "Discount Tebow". Reality is Minchey or Carr are the hope...but that may be nextt year

 

[stpeteirish]

Is there a presser today? Can't find it.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Is there a presser today? Can't find it.

12:30 ET today

 

[stpeteirish]

12:30 ET today

thanks

 

[oddz313]

DEI hire???? I thought we were better than something like that, hey idiot let me tell you what happened. BK left the team on his own accord and they had to quickly hire someone. I was not thrilled about a ND coach under 40 either but maybe you should get a room with David Duke or something

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

That post got a thumbs up. One, but that's certainly enough.

 

[irishff1014]

The DEI crap is getting old. If you aren’t happy with Freeman and want change that’s fine but use a good argument.

I have not been happy with Freeman. I never liked his arrogant look on his face a press conferences but it’s all good when you are winning. We have no idea what we are going
To get out of his team anymore. His coaching decisions and just being unprepared has made sour on him. I think there needs to be a change but I am also not going to cheer for him to lose. I want to see ND football top 5 again and stay there. If it’s with Freeman awesome that’s what most of us wanted from the beginning, if it isn’t with him then I am
Ok with that too.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The DEI crap is getting old. If you aren’t happy with Freeman and want change that’s fine but use a good argument.

I have not been happy with Freeman. I never liked his arrogant look on his face a press conferences but it’s all good when you are winning. We have no idea what we are going
To get out of his team anymore. His coaching decisions and just being unprepared has made sour on him. I think there needs to be a change but I am also not going to cheer for him to lose. I want to see ND football top 5 again and stay there. If it’s with Freeman awesome that’s what most of us wanted from the beginning, if it isn’t with him then I am
Ok with that too.