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The man won't lose cause he didn't put in the effort...
Knight and Freeman connected in the head coach’s office before a Notre Dame home game last season. Freeman didn’t want to talk about Sam Hartman or what the offense would do (or not do) that afternoon. Instead, Notre Dame’s head coach talked up the offense at LSU, which would rank first nationally in scoring and yards per play as Jayden Daniels went on to win the Heisman Trophy.
Reading an article in The Athletic on Deuce, I found this comment interesting. Marcus playing the long game.
Andy Reid comes to mind.Freeman is very clearly a high character guy and a hard worker. The whole culture argument that they briefly discuss here doesn't necessarily translate into success, though.
Pete Carrol is the "player's coach" that has won anything in recent memory.
Everybody has a podcast.Corey Holmes has ND podcast?
I think there was massive culture conversations before, during, and after the 2016 season.It's interesting how nobody was saying anything about the program's culture prior to Freeman's Era beginning. Either nobody knew or didn't want to say anything to rock the boat and or lose their "access."
Makes me wonder just how much really goes down behind the scenes that we never fully realize.
I think it’s like any organization……not only do we rarely know what truly goes on behind the scenes but even what we do find out will often be conveyed with a perception that may or may not be grounded in overall reality.It's interesting how nobody was saying anything about the program's culture prior to Freeman's Era beginning. Either nobody knew or didn't want to say anything to rock the boat and or lose their "access."
Makes me wonder just how much really goes down behind the scenes that we never fully realize.
There were, clearly. And they paid off on the field in the years that followed. I know there's been a lot of badmouthing the prior regime - some of it for good reason - but personally I don't think there would've been so much focus on continuity and stability when Kelly left had the culture of the program really been so toxic. They could have rebooted entirely. Instead they focused on maintaining what they had.I think there was massive culture conversations before, during, and after the 2016 season.
Kelly and company fixed a lot of them, but not all.
Freeman is doing a lot of things in an amazing way, but in the end, with how much ND is investing in what he wants he MUST win more games. It should be a disappointing season if ND does NOT make the CFP. He inherited a program that would have been in the new CFP the 4 years prior.
It's interesting how nobody was saying anything about the program's culture prior to Freeman's Era beginning. Either nobody knew or didn't want to say anything to rock the boat and or lose their "access."
Makes me wonder just how much really goes down behind the scenes that we never fully realize.
Maybe I'm alone in this but I remember a lot was written about BK's culture in the early and later years.It's interesting how nobody was saying anything about the program's culture prior to Freeman's Era beginning. Either nobody knew or didn't want to say anything to rock the boat and or lose their "access."
Makes me wonder just how much really goes down behind the scenes that we never fully realize.
It needs to this year in 2024 since we underachieved freeman's first 2 years.There were, clearly. And they paid off on the field in the years that followed. I know there's been a lot of badmouthing the prior regime - some of it for good reason - but personally I don't think there would've been so much focus on continuity and stability when Kelly left had the culture of the program really been so toxic. They could have rebooted entirely. Instead they focused on maintaining what they had.
That said, Freeman is clearly bringing a whole different level of player engagement than Kelly did, and that's great. Especially now when it's so easy for players to leave if they're not bought in. Ultimately, yeah, that has to pay off in wins. I like to think it will.
I recall snippets here and there, but nothing to the extent about what has been coming out since he left. The idea that former players didn't want to come around was absolutely not on my radar as a fan. Marcus Freeman comes in and suddenly there was this revelation the the old guard wasn't coming around and Kelly was an indirect if not direct reason for that.Maybe I'm alone in this but I remember a lot was written about BK's culture in the early and later years.
Freeman seems 100% on ND football and ND itself. He seems like an amazing ambassador for everything ND. He is also putting together very good staffs and teams on paper. Now can he get them to all work well together and put a great product on the field?I think by all accounts there was a culture issue with the coaches prior to that 2016 season, so Procise and others before him wouldn't have seen the change. It sounds like Freeman is even more accessible than Kelly was after the change.
So we should see improved results on the field, because we haven't yet? I was bullish on last year, i'm even more so on this year.Being a CEO of a team isn't the same as being a CEO of a corporation. You have to make the time to see your players on and off the field. IIRC Kelly wasn't a regular visitor to the weight room and he sure as hell didn't lift like MF. Players relate to that stuff.
There seems to be two different cultures that we’re talking about here: the current team/locker room culture and the culture surrounding the program as a wholeThere were, clearly. And they paid off on the field in the years that followed. I know there's been a lot of badmouthing the prior regime - some of it for good reason - but personally I don't think there would've been so much focus on continuity and stability when Kelly left had the culture of the program really been so toxic. They could have rebooted entirely. Instead they focused on maintaining what they had.
That said, Freeman is clearly bringing a whole different level of player engagement than Kelly did, and that's great. Especially now when it's so easy for players to leave if they're not bought in. Ultimately, yeah, that has to pay off in wins. I like to think it will.
IMO, motivation should be easy. It's having a great plan and then getting the 300ish players, coaches, support plan all aligned and executing on it.Leadership comes in many styles and shapes. Kelly was more in the CEO mold. MFMF is more a players coach. It's all about motivation in the end