Keep Charlie.

[choo choo]

im so glad you put this post up...i've not posted in a long time, mainly because i've pretty much given up on this site...it's just a bunch of mark may-like bad mouthing...get another coach? - get another life - if it's (the job) gonna be this hot on a coach bringing in the best talent we've recruited in years, who the hell would want it?...i think we all knew cw had zero head coaching experience when we hired him...yeah, he's made some mistakes just like all these freshmen and sophomores, but he's learning on the job some too...i'm not defending his every move, but i'm not ready to just fire the guy because he's not some big name from the heavens...again thanks for this post because if gotten sooooooo sick of all the whinning and bellyaching...hell if i wanted to hear that, i could just sit and listen to mark may - it sounds much the same

go irish

 

[Dacian_Irish]

im so glad you put this post up...i've not posted in a long time, mainly because i've pretty much given up on this site...it's just a bunch of mark may-like bad mouthing...get another coach? - get another life - if it's (the job) gonna be this hot on a coach bringing in the best talent we've recruited in years, who the hell would want it?...i think we all knew cw had zero head coaching experience when we hired him...yeah, he's made some mistakes just like all these freshmen and sophomores, but he's learning on the job some too...i'm not defending his every move, but i'm not ready to just fire the guy because he's not some big name from the heavens...again thanks for this post because if gotten sooooooo sick of all the whinning and bellyaching...hell if i wanted to hear that, i could just sit and listen to mark may - it sounds much the same

go irish

Good Stuff!

Weis has not been perfect but he has done well with what he had, a young team!

Keep Charlie!

Go Irish!

 

[fishbain19]

You guys are in the right head space. Give Charlie Cheeseburger a massive contract extension; that was an impressive ass whoopin we gave Navy.

 

[choo choo]

ask around and find out how many "big" programs want to sign up for home & home series with navy or any of the service acadamies...bet you find many takers...

 

[leahy's lads]

why is that so funny? He is a proven winner! I'm lmao at charlie weis right now. 1-15 against teams with winning records???? Thats hilarious. Charlie stinks and he's not a head coach. He's a recruiter/qb coach at best.

now you are talking....... Weiss hasn't done squat in the 4 years he has been here.....period

 

[tko]

now you are talking....... Weiss hasn't done squat in the 4 years he has been here.....period

it's WEIS if you're scoring at home. WEISS played for the A's

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

now you are talking....... Weiss hasn't done squat in the 4 years he has been here.....period

Recruiting comes to mind. Two BCS games comes to mind. He's had setbacks and his job is rightly in question, but to say he's done nothing...that's simply wrong.

 

[dre1919]

Fire Charlie.

He's a mediocre head coach in terms of preparation, offensive creativity, leadership and motivation. Plus, his ego and attitude drive him to make promises he cannot possibly keep. He promised us a "nasty, intelligent" team that would have schematic advantages over our opponents and he hasn't delivered that, even with top talent. Yes, the man can recruit...I'll give him that. But, I feel his lack of head coaching experience coupled with poor choices for position coaches (with the exception of Jon Tenuta, who is underrated) have led him to deliver a sub par product on the field. That's not good enough. Essentially, he's Tyrone Willingham with better recruiting skills. Not convinced? Well, their records are very similar and they both have accomplished the same things (early offensive success, early wins over sketchy top ranked teams, BCS berths, blowout losses, no bowl wins, flagging results down the stretch, etc.)

I'm with Herbstreit if he did truly say it on air (I missed it). Hire Jeff Jagodzinski.

 

[IrishGrizz]

You guys are in the right head space. Give Charlie Cheeseburger a massive contract extension; that was an impressive ass whoopin we gave Navy.

Yo, unfanfishbain- nice name calling to make a point on how you feel about the coach. Really mature. Grow up and if you don't like ND and what they have this year and cannot support them, go away and find another team to cheer for that is great and never loses.

If this is your team, no matter what, then get behind them and stop the juvinile comments about CWs weight. I know you don't like him coaching, but you will have to come to some kind of a compromise at least for the rest of the season if you are a fan, cause this is who you have.

Even though you would fire the staff if you could, what will you do next year when CW returns? Will you jump on the bandwagon if they win?

 

[IrishGrizz]

Fire Charlie.

He's a mediocre head coach in terms of preparation, offensive creativity, leadership and motivation. Plus, his ego and attitude drive him to make promises he cannot possibly keep. He promised us a "nasty, intelligent" team that would have schematic advantages over our opponents and he hasn't delivered that, even with top talent. Yes, the man can recruit...I'll give him that. But, I feel his lack of head coaching experience coupled with poor choices for position coaches (with the exception of Jon Tenuta, who is underrated) have led him to deliver a sub par product on the field. That's not good enough. Essentially, he's Tyrone Willingham with better recruiting skills. Not convinced? Well, their records are very similar and they both have accomplished the same things (early offensive success, early wins over sketchy top ranked teams, BCS berths, blowout losses, no bowl wins, flagging results down the stretch, etc.)

I'm with Herbstreit if he did truly say it on air (I missed it). Hire Jeff Jagodzinski.

Well, I think the question I would like asked is, since the AD seems to be behind CW and will have him return for next year, what will you do as far as the team goes in 09? What kind of support will you bring to the team if they win? Since you and many others seem to believe CW cannot win and will never be the answer here at ND, then what will you cheer for? Your/our team to lose, and therefore, CW and staff fired, or ND success (however you decide to measure- 9,10 or 11 wins) and then CW being retained?

I understand that we fundamentally disagree on CW as a HC for ND. You and many other ND fans believe he has failed. I believe he has not been as successful yet as he will be.

I believe CW is the right answer and will watch next year expecting him to prove to you (and justify my faith) and many others that he can return ND to where we all want them to be- in the top 10 again.

 

[dre1919]

Well, I think the question I would like asked is, since the AD seems to be behind CW and will have him return for next year, what will you do as far as the team goes in 09? What kind of support will you bring to the team if they win? Since you and many others seem to believe CW cannot win and will never be the answer here at ND, then what will you cheer for? Your/our team to lose, and therefore, CW and staff fired, or ND success (however you decide to measure- 9,10 or 11 wins) and then CW being retained?

I understand that we fundamentally disagree on CW as a HC for ND. You and many other ND fans believe he has failed. I believe he has not been as successful yet as he will be.

I believe CW is the right answer and will watch next year expecting him to prove to you (and justify my faith) and many others that he can return ND to where we all want them to be- in the top 10 again.

Actually, it's interesting you bring that up. I found myself wrestling with this very same issue during the Navy game. Part of me (albeit a SMALL part) was hoping that Navy came back and won just to point out Charlie's ineptitude. However, I never root against the Irish and am always rabidly happy when they win so ultimately I was of course elated when they hung on to win.

So, in answer to your question, I would say I will be rooting for them to win in spite of Charlie Weis and not because of him. (I know, that sounds convoluted). I hope the games play out where there is a clear distinction, because since I believe him to be the wrong guy for the job, I do not want to see the public and the administration get this false sense of security and progress for too long before they make a move to replace him. Of course, I really do see him being replaced in the next season or two as it is.

 

[Sureal]

Ok...

A little fired the hell up reading some of these idiotic damn posts.

It's ok if you don't like the coach. But some of this dumb sophmoric bs I'm seeing on these threads are ridiculous.
Grow the hell up for cryin' out loud. I'm the first to scream when I don't agree with a situation but to type and post some of this crap is just downright silly.

Some of you don't have to practice stupid all your damn life. Did you say anything when he signed the contract? Anything? To say Ty is a better coach than CW... Amazing. I quit. I don't mind arguments but at least frame 'em right.


Dre I don't agree with everything you say but at least you don't get idiotic....

I'm done with over here for a while.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I concur Sureal.

 

[daytonirish]

Geez I need to stop by more often Sounds like I missed a great time. Heck folks being able to run off someone with over 1500 post. And hey lets try and remember when Charlie was hired there were numerous big time names mentioned for thejob and everyone one of them said no. So as far as some of the names folks put ou, well not happening no matter what you think. Coaches aren't going to put up with the national; crap that the HC of ND does. And before you say well the HC of an SEC school or B10 school, or B12 school do. Save your breath. Go visit any team site on either rivals or scout, click on there free boards and see how many don't have a thread about ND and/or Charlie. Not to many folks. How many ND sites have threads about other HC of teams we don't play, not many.

 

[WaveDomer]

It's an interesting question to ask about whether you will root for the team if you think CW isn't the answer. To my mind, if he wins, then he's the answer. So why wouldn't you root for him to win? At this point I just think something is missing and I'm not sure what it is. When people talk about a young team not clicking, well it's the coach's job to get them clicking. That being said, Coach K was pretty bad when he started at Duke and the rest is history. I'm rooting for CW to put it all together. Like I've said previously, I don't think ND really has a choice at this point.

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

I agree sureal....reps

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Essentially, he's Tyrone Willingham with better recruiting skills. Not convinced? Well, their records are very similar and they both have accomplished the same things (early offensive success, early wins over sketchy top ranked teams, BCS berths, blowout losses, no bowl wins, flagging results down the stretch, etc.)

Ummm...Ty got a worse record with more talented players. Weis has done more with less.

NOW, I am not saying he is the right coach. The jury is clearly out until next season plays out.

But he is nowhere near as shitty as Ty.

 

[onenybrother]

I know the season is shot and Uscum is gonna humilate us. I still have faith in this team and coach. Next year will be much better. That what I will judge him on.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

No faith...that was terrible

 

[fortwayne_nd]

it's WEIS if you're scoring at home. WEISS played for the A's

Walt had a pretty good glove.

 

[phgreek]

Fire Charlie.

He's a mediocre head coach in terms of preparation, offensive creativity, leadership and motivation. Plus, his ego and attitude drive him to make promises he cannot possibly keep. He promised us a "nasty, intelligent" team that would have schematic advantages over our opponents and he hasn't delivered that, even with top talent. Yes, the man can recruit...I'll give him that. But, I feel his lack of head coaching experience coupled with poor choices for position coaches (with the exception of Jon Tenuta, who is underrated) have led him to deliver a sub par product on the field. That's not good enough. Essentially, he's Tyrone Willingham with better recruiting skills. Not convinced? Well, their records are very similar and they both have accomplished the same things (early offensive success, early wins over sketchy top ranked teams, BCS berths, blowout losses, no bowl wins, flagging results down the stretch, etc.)

I'm with Herbstreit if he did truly say it on air (I missed it). Hire Jeff Jagodzinski.

After absorbing the SYRACUSE LOSS, and how this team achieved the LOSS, I'd say even the flagging results down the stretch fits nicely as well.


Charlie will get another year or two, but how in hell can you get bitch slapped by BC, damn near lose to Navy, and then Lose to Syracuse...

I love the skill guys, but how about someone, anyone that can hold a block (without actually holding) for more than a count, or an O-line with some football intelect and discipline...seriously, how many times do guys come clean on a blitz (sometimes flippin' d-lineman come clean)...how many times do guys come from two and three holes away to Drill Allen...this is just ridiculous...its all failure to want to, not a defeceit in talent or size.

About to watch BYU and Uath...Couple mountain west teams...makes me wonder where we'd finish in the mountain west conference...makes me realize how far we've slid that I even ponder that....

Better days are ahead for ND football...I'd like to see them vs. hear about them in my grandchildren's prayers

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I know the season is shot and Uscum is gonna humilate us. I still have faith in this team and coach. Next year will be much better. That what I will judge him on.

Next year will be key, but his seat is WHITE HOT.

 

[phork]

He will not get to the 10 wins he needs, or the 11 I said he should.

 

[IrishAddiction]

yes, keep him as the recruiting coordinator or something, but go find a coach that will fit the players that he has recruited already that has a proven track record, even in division 2 or 3. just get somebody in here who is going to win the damn games!!!!

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

yes, keep him as the recruiting coordinator or something, but go find a coach that will fit the players that he has recruited already that has a proven track record, even in division 2 or 3. just get somebody in here who is going to win the damn games!!!!

If Weis is canned, they better have the perfect coach lined up or we are still screwed.

Let's face it NO COACH worth his weight in salt wanted this job last time around. That's why we got an NFL OC...

 

[IrishAddiction]

thats why i mentioned division 2 or 3, like jim tressel was before osu. just a diamond in the rough, somebody who has the ability to motivate, even as far back as hs even if the coach has a very well developed program for years and shows he has an understanding of college football i would take it.

 

[mooneytostle]

thats why i mentioned division 2 or 3, like jim tressel was before osu. just a diamond in the rough, somebody who has the ability to motivate, even as far back as hs even if the coach has a very well developed program for years and shows he has an understanding of college football i would take it.

Notre Dame does not have the luxury of taking a chance on a coach from DIV II or III. Think about the recent hires. Davie, O'Leary, Willingham, Weis. It is clear that the powers that be are not qualified to find a new coach. The list should be very short and ND will have to give up a lot to get a coach from said list. But ND is at a crossroads where it needs to put the football program in the capable hands of a proven "A" list coach from a Div I school.

Having said this, i am not very optimistic that the BOT, Swarbrick, Jenkins, etc. will do what is necessary to save the program.

 

[Sureal]

Harder and harder to defend this guy...

Won't resort to idiotic namecalling though. But it's getting hard to defend him as a Coach.