Is Kelly a REALLY good coach?

[Cackalacky]

Weis spent all of Fall camp in 2007 to work on some sort of WV Rich Rod spread offense only to use it for one half of the first game. That may have been one of the worst coaching moves I have ever seen.

He did have quite a few recruiting victories here and his players seemed to really like him.

As purple as Kelly's face gets, I'll take it any day over watching snot run down Weiss's face.


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Memories.....

 

[arahop]

does the title of this thread piss anyone else off. Kelly is a good coach. Change the thread title

 

[IrishSteelhead]

does the title of this thread piss anyone else off. Kelly is a good coach. Change the thread title

But is he REALLY a good coach?

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

I hate this thread. Yes Kelly is a GOOD coach. Given the circumstances each season, including this one, there is no reason to suggest hes not. Do bad coaches get looked at by the NFL? Do bad coaches take a team to the tittle in their 3rd year?

 

[MNIrishman]

Weis spent all of Fall camp in 2007 to work on some sort of WV Rich Rod spread offense only to use it for one half of the first game. That may have been one of the worst coaching moves I have ever seen.

He did have quite a few recruiting victories here and his players seemed to really like him.

Weis' players were extremely arrogant and walked around like they owned the place during a 3-9 season. I think they liked him because he told them they were special and something something about super bowl rings.

 

[ickythump1225]

Weis' players were extremely arrogant and walked around like they owned the place during a 3-9 season. I think they liked him because he told them they were special and something something about super bowl rings.

Well Weis was pretty arrogant himself so I guess it rubbed off on his players.

 

[kmoose]

How can you argue against my statement? Other than skill position O, who did Weis develop? Please, I'm dying to know. As for being a ND fan- nah, just started yesterday. Tell me all about the early 2000s...

Weis guys(other than Offensive skill positions) that either are on a 53 man NFL roster right now, or were as recently as last season:

David Bruton
Robert Blanton
Darius Fleming
Ryan Harris
Kapron Lewis-Moore
Darrin Walls

You don't make the NFL without developing pretty significantly between High School and your eligibility for the draft. In other words, in college ball.
Granted, most of the guys finished up their time at ND under Kelly. But we already know that Kelly can't develop anybody, so their development must have come under Weis, yeah?

Seriously, though; it's not that Weis was a very good developer of guys outside of the passing game, but he did develop some. You do have to give him a little bit of credit.

 

[BGIF]

I think Kelly has done as good a job as anyone the past two years.

Mack Brown Halftime on ABC

Mentioned that Kizer was not supposing to be starting until Zaire was lost. Commented on Procise' impact after Folston lost. Went through the list of injuries. Complimented Kelly on getting backups ready and for successful recruiting program bringing in these players.

 

[ickythump1225]

Kelly has built amazing depth. We were down to our 4th string RB to begin the year today and he had an outstanding game. Kizer was the 3rd stringer coming into the year too. With all of the injuries it has been plug and play which is a great credit to Kelly. Just 2 years ago we were starting Tommy Rees and Cam McDaniels during games. How far we have come.

 

[phillyirish]

The answer to this thread is obvious.


Now if a mod wants to change the title by switching the 'REALLY' and the 'a' around to: "Is Kelly a REALLY good coach", then maybe, MAYBE you can have a discussion. But still I think the answer to that thread would be obvious too.

 

[irishff1014]

Kelly has built amazing depth. We were down to our 4th string RB to begin the year today and he had an outstanding game. Kizer was the 3rd stringer coming into the year too. With all of the injuries it has been plug and play which is a great credit to Kelly. Just 2 years ago we were starting Tommy Rees and Cam McDaniels during games. How far we have come.

Not only did they build depth but good hard working and strong mental depth in the players.

 

[NDinL.A.]

does the title of this thread piss anyone else off. Kelly is a good coach. Change the thread title

I hate this thread. Yes Kelly is a GOOD coach. Given the circumstances each season, including this one, there is no reason to suggest hes not. Do bad coaches get looked at by the NFL? Do bad coaches take a team to the tittle in their 3rd year?

No way, keep this thread forever! It's a great way to prove why it's so stupid to emoti-post. This thread is so much fun to look back on, especially bc just a few months later, the OP proclaimed BK was an elite coach, just a few notches below Urban Meyer. I'm not even lying. He even argued with me, saying it was his right to 'vent' and he was right about now BK but his off-season changes made him an elite coach lol.

So please, leave this thread alone for the comedy factor if anything.

 

[ickythump1225]

No way, keep this thread forever! It's a great way to prove why it's so stupid to emoti-post. This thread is so much fun to look back on, especially bc just a few months later, the OP proclaimed BK was an elite coach, just a few notches below Urban Meyer. I'm not even lying. He even argued with me, saying it was his right to 'vent' and he was right about now BK but his off-season changes made him an elite coach lol.

So please, leave this thread alone for the comedy factor if anything.

If Kelly gets us a natty I'm willing to put him in the "elite" category but until then he remains the tier below elite for me.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I agree, not elite yet.

 

[NDRock]

He may not be elite but the thread title questioned if he was even "Good". Can't see how that even debatable anymore.

 

[shalom]

Kelly is definitely not an elite X&O coach but he is very solid. And keep in mind Kelly is not a branch off an established coaching tree. He's not exactly a self-made man but he's come a long way from where he started

His primary deficiency hasn't been between the hash marks but the stuff outside the lines. A lot of what he's brought in has walked out the door. There's been a disconnect between what Kelly wanted and what Kelly had. What he demanded and what players were willing to give. This deficiency could turn into his greatest strength though. In the past certain guys like Teo bought into the system but it seems like a wave now, epitomized by Kizer who seems to excel under the pressure Kelly brings, and responds to crazy/hard coaching. If Kelly finally has "his guys" it could be a key asset for not just 1 run towards the Playoffs but several.

You can't talk about Kelly without acknowledging that prior to his arrival, even the LEGITIMACY of Notre Dame was questioned... not even to be a top 5 elite team but even worthy to be considered a top 20-25 program on the field. Kelly has turned that around. And Kelly has definitely defined what it means to be a Notre Dame player... tough gentleman or w/e. With all the athletes' kids there really is a luster to the type of student athletes the football program attracts, which was certainly not the case circa 2009

 

[Cackalacky]

I readily admt I sold Kelly last year. I sold him this year. It's now apparent he has made major improvements in depth and getting that depth ready to go, second half adjustments, improved offensive performance among others. I am glad I was wrong. I definitely see a much improved team now from where I thought we were in August

 

[ickythump1225]

I readily admt I sold Kelly last year. I sold him this year. It's now apparent he has made major improvements in depth and getting that depth ready to go, second half adjustments, improved offensive performance among others. I am glad I was wrong. I definitely see a much improved team now from where I thought we were in August

I think everyone sold Kelly in November of 2014. While going 0-4 down the stretch in your 5th season is borderline inexcusable I do credit BK for rallying the program and having us thriving. We're 9-1 in our last 10 games with the only loss being a 2 point loss on the road, in a monsoon, against the #1 team in the nation. Some coaches could have let the program go into a tailspin, but BK has kept the recruiting up, the morale up, and the victories flowing. This is far and away the best state the program has been in since Holtz left South Bend 20 years ago.

 

[Crazy Balki]

He may not be elite but the thread title questioned if he was even "Good". Can't see how that even debatable anymore.

Thread was made during the final 2014 stretch. Nothing about that was anywhere near good. Perfectly justifiable. Kudos to Kelly for rallying the troups against LSU and so far, weathering the storm of injuries so much better this year compared to last. But in year 5, for a team to finish the regular season 1-5, and losing by 35 to your arch-rival is just unacceptable.

 

[irishff1014]

I readily admt I sold Kelly last year. I sold him this year. It's now apparent he has made major improvements in depth and getting that depth ready to go, second half adjustments, improved offensive performance among others. I am glad I was wrong. I definitely see a much improved team now from where I thought we were in August

I like Kelly i really do. But he is stubborn. I understand that this is his system by make changes to it to make it better. I loved seeing Kizer under center today. He has hands down made this program better with his staff and recruiting depth.

 

[scUM Hater]

Kelly is definitely not an elite X&O coach but he is very solid. And keep in mind Kelly is not a branch off an established coaching tree. He's not exactly a self-made man but he's come a long way from where he started

His primary deficiency hasn't been between the hash marks but the stuff outside the lines. A lot of what he's brought in has walked out the door. There's been a disconnect between what Kelly wanted and what Kelly had. What he demanded and what players were willing to give. This deficiency could turn into his greatest strength though. In the past certain guys like Teo bought into the system but it seems like a wave now, epitomized by Kizer who seems to excel under the pressure Kelly brings, and responds to crazy/hard coaching. If Kelly finally has "his guys" it could be a key asset for not just 1 run towards the Playoffs but several.

You can't talk about Kelly without acknowledging that prior to his arrival, even the LEGITIMACY of Notre Dame was questioned... not even to be a top 5 elite team but even worthy to be considered a top 20-25 program on the field. Kelly has turned that around. And Kelly has definitely defined what it means to be a Notre Dame player... tough gentleman or w/e. With all the athletes' kids there really is a luster to the type of student athletes the football program attracts, which was certainly not the case circa 2009

He is self made.

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[NDRock]

Thread was made during the final 2014 stretch. Nothing about that was anywhere near good. Perfectly justifiable. Kudos to Kelly for rallying the troups against LSU and so far, weathering the storm of injuries so much better this year compared to last. But in year 5, for a team to finish the regular season 1-5, and losing by 35 to your arch-rival is just unacceptable.

Even last year, the question of whether or not Kelly is a "good" coach was silly. Bad or mediocre coaches don't win D-II national championships. They don't go 12-0 at Cincy and 12-0 at Notre Dame. Again, the question of whether he is elite or will win a natty is debatable but the guy is without a doubt a damn good Coach.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Even last year, the question of whether or not Kelly is a "good" coach was silly. Bad or mediocre coaches don't win D-II national championships. They don't go 12-0 at Cincy and 12-0 at Notre Dame. Again, the question of whether he is elite or will win a natty is debatable but the guy is without a doubt a damn good Coach.

And while we had a very disappointing end to last season, everyone knew just how devastated the team was with injuries. I've never followed a team that was so snake bitten.

 

[Green Goblin]

Even last year, the question of whether or not Kelly is a "good" coach was silly. Bad or mediocre coaches don't win D-II national championships. They don't go 12-0 at Cincy and 12-0 at Notre Dame. Again, the question of whether he is elite or will win a natty is debatable but the guy is without a doubt a damn good Coach.

This.

I'd LOVE to see a bad coach winning with his 3rd string QB and 3rd/4th string RB. ND has pretty good recruiting but we're not THAT deep.

Some people need to get a clue.

 

[Crazy Balki]

This.

I'd LOVE to see a bad coach winning with his 3rd string QB and 3rd/4th string RB. ND has pretty good recruiting but we're not THAT deep.

Some people need to get a clue.

People were well within their right to be frustrated with the team and Kelly. Yes, the team was snakebitten, which had been discussed time and time again, but even then, the performances in those games were just atrocious, even beyond the injuries. USC wasn't a good team last season, yet they worked us up and down the field, Northwestern was 5-7 that year and struggled to score on pretty much anybody, yet they had no problem putting up 43 on us.

We can sit back now and say, yeah Kelly has the team under control. The issues were more on-field than off. I always knew Kelly could build a program as good or better than practically anyone in the game, but he's always had a questionable on-field track record while here. I defend what I stated 100%. Kelly has done quite a bit this season to overcome what did us in last year, which has my tune changed. Last year injuries de-railed our season. This year, we're 8-1 despite them.

 

[Cogs]

Kelly is a great coach. Has one of the most talented offenses in the country. Excellent job this year with all of the injuries. Improve the red zone offense and hopefully the defense steps up to their potential in a couple games and we can beat anybody.

 

[BGIF]

Dennis Dodd
Cbssports.com

Nov 18, 2015

Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Coach of the year?
If anyone asks me, Brian Kelly is -- as of now -- the national coach of the year. He's winning with a rash of season-ending injuries. He's winning with a backup quarterback. He's winning with the usual academic hurdles getting kids in school. He's winning despite a daunting schedule. Yes, I said daunting. The Irish will have played six ranked teams. That's more than Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson.

If the Irish get to the playoff, Kelly will have positioned Notre Dame for two championship shots in four years. Can the NFL be far behind for Kelly?

Not if they read the Revisited Thread.

 

[CIrishWin]

Kelly is a good coach. My concern is developing the talent (other than quarterback) behind the starters, Morgan, Bonner, Watkins, Butler need to be getting in game reps.

 

[kmoose]

Kelly is a good coach. My concern is developing the talent (other than quarterback) behind the starters, Morgan, Bonner, Watkins, Butler need to be getting in game reps.

To be fair.......

What happened after our #1 tailback transferred?

Then what happened after the #2 guy went down for the season?

What happened when arguably our best DL went down?

 

[CIrishWin]

I think Day is a little better than Jones.

Bryant was never the #1 back I would switch the #1 and #2 statement

I am saying get them playing time not just next man in.