Is Kelly a REALLY good coach?

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All I have to say is I've seen Davie, willingham and Weis coach for the previous 13 years. This program is in a lot better hands now than it even was at the end of the Holtz era.


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Looks like a man with zero f-ucks left to give. At this point, I'm getting concerned crippling violations are looming, because he looks like crap, for reasons that go beyond getting raped on national TV.
 

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All I have to say is I've seen Davie, willingham and Weis coach for the previous 13 years. This program is in a lot better hands now than it even was at the end of the Holtz era.


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We all have. No one is contesting the program is in better shape now than then, but the results on the football field have not been great. We have been consistently mediocre under Kelly...nothing more.
 

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Looks like a man with zero f-ucks left to give. At this point, I'm getting concerned crippling violations are looming, because he looks like crap, for reasons that go beyond getting raped on national TV.

That would be NDs recent ( last two decades) luck... Don't win SHIT,... At all... But get hit with sanctions... Smh... You're doing it wrong ND, you win titles first, then get slammed.

BK is a really good coach, but I don't think he's good enough to take ND where it needs to( and frankly should be)... He's far too pass happy and I think his stubbornness and identity get in his own way... But the list of coaches that CAN do it may be really freakin short...

Honestly, just join the ACC already, at least a conference title here or there would be fun. Right now it's Natty or nothing and I honestly don't know if ND can ever really compete for those anymore.
 

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Looks like a man with zero f-ucks left to give. At this point, I'm getting concerned crippling violations are looming, because he looks like crap, for reasons that go beyond getting raped on national TV.


Agree. I thought he has looked unusually tired or something this year. Can't put my finger on it but have been concerned there is some shot going on we don't know about.
 

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Looks like a man with zero f-ucks left to give. At this point, I'm getting concerned crippling violations are looming, because he looks like crap, for reasons that go beyond getting raped on national TV.

He actually came across as reasonable and level headed. Players that left the game with injuries included Matuska, Redfield, Hayes and Martini. Crazy. We were basically running with a scout team d out there.
 
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Agree. I thought he has looked unusually tired or something this year. Can't put my finger on it but have been concerned there is some shot going on we don't know about.

Must be on Longo's program too.
 
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I hope he gets one more year with his guys. Maybe he could finish out his contract so we dont have to pay him and Weis as well as another coach. He has one more year in my book if he does not leave on his own this year.
 

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Looks like a man with zero f-ucks left to give. At this point, I'm getting concerned crippling violations are looming, because he looks like crap, for reasons that go beyond getting raped on national TV.

He just had the shit kicked out of him the last month and a half. The guy was losing 3rd and 4th stringers to injury like it was cool. If you go back and actually look at who got playing time this year and when they played, you would understand his pain. And yes, you can point to August 15th (I think that was the date) that truly ended the season for ND.

Look, its easy to pile on to BK and while he does deserve his fair share of criticism, this season got me thinking of a few things:

1. BVG's defense is WAY too complicated for college ball. All year these kids were moving pre-snap and barely would get looks in the backfield before the ball was snapped. DL moving left and right..LB's running side to side trying to get lined up..DB's who had no clue what to clue and would do random arm signals and trying to get coverage help. Just such a complex and difficult scheme. Blitzes that started like 5-7 yards deep. Not creative enough. Simplicity is key. Will Muschamp anyone?

2. EG is fragile. Plain and simple. Sure, he would wow us with his athleticism but he lacks that certain toughness. Not the, get blindsided and get back up toughness but that mental toughness I guess you could call it. I defended him most of the year because a lot of his TO's were fluke turnovers but after last week when he disrespected BK on the sideline like that, I don't stand for that. You're the starting QB at Notre Dame, the coach should not have to yell at you for walking away when he's talking to you.

3. Yes, injuries played a huge role and to discard it is being short sighted but there is no excuse for the type of historically bad defense they showed this year. Staff changes need to be made. The talent is there but the coaching needs to improve tremendously. IMO, I would replace the entire defensive staff, Booker, strength and conditioning coach and work on getting a play caller for the offense. It's not too late to salvage next season.
 

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1.Kelly will finally have it all when he is coaching a 10 time pro bowl 4 time super bow MVP qb...until then ...dumb it down you self proclaimed genius

2. Learn how to ignite kids not scare the shiit out of them and make them want mommy and home. You want warriors? Connect with them and find the catalyst. When the best kicker in the country is so shellshocked, when a qb looks like a beaten abused dog, and when the best players are riding the pine due to your ego...it's time to move on ...

3. Recruit better! The 2011 class is shitt. 2012 is a joke and razor thin....13 you had a nc appearance and got the talent. Stop putting them in your bogus doghouse and forcing them to transfer...14 class we will see,,,

4. We need a physically emotional talented young but experienced head coach. These kids told Kelly to f himself.

5. Zaire is the best qb we have had since 93.
 
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Does anyone think BK noticed Malzhan kicked the extra point instead of going for 2 when Auburn just scored to go up by 12 instead of 11 or 13 over Bama?
 

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1. BVG's defense is WAY too complicated for college ball. All year these kids were moving pre-snap and barely would get looks in the backfield before the ball was snapped. DL moving left and right..LB's running side to side trying to get lined up..DB's who had no clue what to clue and would do random arm signals and trying to get coverage help. Just such a complex and difficult scheme. Blitzes that started like 5-7 yards deep. Not creative enough. Simplicity is key. Will Muschamp anyone?

I don't think it's too "complicated" per say. I really liked what I saw the first handful of games. Lot's of blitzing and causing havoc. This thing starting going downhill when Schmidt went down, who by all accounts was the quarterback and leader out there defensively. The subsequent injuries that followed just compounded things and rendered a once aggressive defense toothless.

I don't worry about the defense as much going forward (unless we are again hit with mass injuries), as I do the offense under Kelly.
 

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He just had the shit kicked out of him the last month and a half. The guy was losing 3rd and 4th stringers to injury like it was cool. If you go back and actually look at who got playing time this year and when they played, you would understand his pain. And yes, you can point to August 15th (I think that was the date) that truly ended the season for ND.

Look, its easy to pile on to BK and while he does deserve his fair share of criticism, this season got me thinking of a few things:

1. BVG's defense is WAY too complicated for college ball. All year these kids were moving pre-snap and barely would get looks in the backfield before the ball was snapped. DL moving left and right..LB's running side to side trying to get lined up..DB's who had no clue what to clue and would do random arm signals and trying to get coverage help. Just such a complex and difficult scheme. Blitzes that started like 5-7 yards deep. Not creative enough. Simplicity is key. Will Muschamp anyone?

2. EG is fragile. Plain and simple. Sure, he would wow us with his athleticism but he lacks that certain toughness. Not the, get blindsided and get back up toughness but that mental toughness I guess you could call it. I defended him most of the year because a lot of his TO's were fluke turnovers but after last week when he disrespected BK on the sideline like that, I don't stand for that. You're the starting QB at Notre Dame, the coach should not have to yell at you for walking away when he's talking to you.

3. Yes, injuries played a huge role and to discard it is being short sighted but there is no excuse for the type of historically bad defense they showed this year. Staff changes need to be made. The talent is there but the coaching needs to improve tremendously. IMO, I would replace the entire defensive staff, Booker, strength and conditioning coach and work on getting a play caller for the offense. It's not too late to salvage next season.

BVG's last couple years in college have not been good. Muschamp runs the Saban D which is also very complex and usually takes till the second year to really start humming. If you want simplicity look at Gary Patterson's system heck he calls it "Simplicity vs Multiplicity". Patterson pretty much runs his own D but maybe he has a top assistant we can steal. Basically Patterson's 4-2-5 scheme can match up with any offensive scheme from spread, pro, to option, assuming you can recruit a few versatile athletes to play the safety spots in that scheme. I assume Kelly isn't going anywhere and Patterson coming to ND is not an option but it might be something to look into.
 

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BVG's last couple years in college have not been good. Muschamp runs the Saban D which is also very complex and usually takes till the second year to really start humming. If you want simplicity look at Gary Patterson's system heck he calls it "Simplicity vs Multiplicity". Patterson pretty much runs his own D but maybe he has a top assistant we can steal. Basically Patterson's 4-2-5 scheme can match up with any offensive scheme from spread, pro, to option, assuming you can recruit a few versatile athletes to play the safety spots in that scheme. I assume Kelly isn't going anywhere and Patterson coming to ND is not an option but it might be something to look into.


Saban's defense doesn't appear to have much pre-snap movement to it but I'll definitely admit I don't watch them often not as closely as I'd prefer. Even if something takes longer then a year, you can usually see signs of progress. This seemed like the opposite. It could very well be a fluke season defensively but changes definitely need to be made.
 

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Saban's defense doesn't appear to have much pre-snap movement to it but I'll definitely admit I don't watch them often not as closely as I'd prefer. Even if something takes longer then a year, you can usually see signs of progress. This seemed like the opposite. It could very well be a fluke season defensively but changes definitely need to be made.

I agree we need changes.

I don't like that idea of going back to the 3-4 which is the Bellichek/Saban system that Muschamp runs. The 3-4 is a great pro defense but not sure if it is the best for the modern day mobile QB college spreads. Saban's elite recruiting and attention to detail makes it work more so than the scheme itself. 4 man lines with athletic edge rushers (that are to small for a 3-4 DE) seem to work best for that, John Chavis at LSU is probably the best but unfortunately is not going to be available for ND. I already mentioned being a big proponent of the TCU defensive model. I've always like Bud Foster who has suffered for decade plus at Virginia Tech with mediocre to inept offenses holding that program back. Plus Foster aint leaving VT unless it is for a head coaching job, and even then may not because of his loyalty to VT.
 

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I agree we need changes.

I don't like that idea of going back to the 3-4 which is the Bellichek/Saban system that Muschamp runs. The 3-4 is a great pro defense but not sure if it is the best for the modern day mobile QB college spreads. Saban's elite recruiting and attention to detail makes it work more so than the scheme itself. 4 man lines with athletic edge rushers (that are to small for a 3-4 DE) seem to work best for that, John Chavis at LSU is probably the best but unfortunately is not going to be available for ND. I already mentioned being a big proponent of the TCU defensive model. I've always like Bud Foster who has suffered for decade plus at Virginia Tech with mediocre to inept offenses holding that program back. Plus Foster aint leaving VT unless it is for a head coaching job, and even then may not because of his loyalty to VT.

I am personally not a fan of the 3-4. In all fairness and respect as a human being, I do admit that BVG does deserve another year which I do think he will get. I would honestly be more surprised if he was fired then if he was to return.
 

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LMFAO Quinn and Clausen say 'hi'

Yeah, that's just plain insane. Zaire looked okay out there but USC also seemed to stop blitzing much and just sat back. He threw some nice balls and it was good to see the zone read actually used. I don't think he gives us the upside that Golson does when he's on (hell he was in the Heisman talk halfway through the season) but I'm hoping he doesn't make the kind of costly mistakes Everett has that have killed us. Hope he gets to start the bowl game.
 

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Yeah, that's just plain insane. Zaire looked okay out there but USC also seemed to stop blitzing much and just sat back. He threw some nice balls and it was good to see the zone read actually used. I don't think he gives us the upside that Golson does when he's on (hell he was in the Heisman talk halfway through the season) but I'm hoping he doesn't make the kind of costly mistakes Everett has that have killed us. Hope he gets to start the bowl game.
Are you serious? Name one skill that Golson provides and Malik lacks. Meanwhile, things that Malik has and Golson lacks:

1. Size
2. Speed (slight advantage)
3. Vision
4. Leadership/passion
5. Arm strength (slight advantage)
 

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Are you serious? Name one skill that Golson provides and Malik lacks. Meanwhile, things that Malik has and Golson lacks:

1. Size
2. Speed (slight advantage)
3. Vision
4. Leadership/passion
5. Arm strength (slight advantage)

I've seen one half of football from Malik. He looked pretty good and I would love to see him start the bowl game. If you want to anoint him go ahead. Someone already called him the best QB we've had since 93', sounds completely rational to me.
 

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let's take it easy.

the kid came in with absolutely nothing to lose and played that way to his credit.

will he do so in a game where he starts and the shoulders the load like #5 was forced to all year. my hope is yes, but only time will tell.

let's be careful to anoint him the next Joe Montana.
 

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let's take it easy.

the kid came in with absolutely nothing to lose and played that way to his credit.

will he do so in a game where he starts and the shoulders the load like #5 was forced to all year. my hope is yes, but only time will tell.

let's be careful to anoint him the next Joe Montana.

I believe Joe had pretty pedestrian numbers that in today's world would have gotten him benched. But your point still remains.
 

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I've seen one half of football from Malik. He looked pretty good and I would love to see him start the bowl game. If you want to anoint him go ahead. Someone already called him the best QB we've had since 93', sounds completely rational to me.
I'm not anointing Malik based on one half of football. I'm un-anointing Golson based on two seasons of football. For Malik, things like "touch" and decision making will reveal themselves in time, but I love what we've seen so far (raw skills, athleticism, attitude).
 

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ND will always be average to max good with BK there. He just doesnt develop the players. ND has been blessed with getting tons of talent...I think that is more the school andkesst he coach. Weis had more talent than 90% of the teams ND played when he was there. Tell me one win, with the exception of a terrible Navy team in Ireland, that ND crushed? Believe it or not, other teams struggle with youth and injuries too. ND just never delivers. The NC team won by shoestrings week in and week out. No way was a true top 5 team and it showed.

Explain me how Mich St with its 3 stars could beat or take to to the wire ND every year? Navy? How is it a terrible UNC team can get rolled by a .500 NC state team yet take ND to the wire? IT is embarrassing to say the least.

Fact is that Kelly cant develop teams. He knew Cinn was done when he left and took the opportunity just like Strong did at Texas. The only reason Golson developed was because he spent a year with a QB guru, not because of anything BK did.

Boys, we have the wrong coach. I do not know who the right coach is but this guy isnt it.
 

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Explain me how Mich St with its 3 stars could beat or take to to the wire ND every year? Navy? How is it a terrible UNC team can get rolled by a .500 NC state team yet take ND to the wire? IT is embarrassing to say the least.

People rely too much on recruiting rankings. ND has done a good job of recruiting under Kelly but we rarely get the elite guys. Going by Rivals, we currently have 4 guys who were 5 star prospects. Q. Nelson, Jaylon, Redfield, and Bryant. All four are 1st or 2nd year guys. The rest of our team is 3 and 4 star guys. Teams like MSU constantly have 4th and 5th year guys ready to step in.

Every year there are a small number of high school kids who are truly elite (5*) after that, there really isn't a huge difference between the #58 kid and the #212 kid. It's how you develop your players and how they fit into your system that will dictate your success. People overrate our talent every year just because we have some 4 star kids playing.
 

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ND will always be average to max good with BK there. He just doesnt develop the players. ND has been blessed with getting tons of talent...I think that is more the school andkesst he coach. Weis had more talent than 90% of the teams ND played when he was there. Tell me one win, with the exception of a terrible Navy team in Ireland, that ND crushed? Believe it or not, other teams struggle with youth and injuries too. ND just never delivers. The NC team won by shoestrings week in and week out. No way was a true top 5 team and it showed.

Explain me how Mich St with its 3 stars could beat or take to to the wire ND every year? Navy? How is it a terrible UNC team can get rolled by a .500 NC state team yet take ND to the wire? IT is embarrassing to say the least.

Fact is that Kelly cant develop teams. He knew Cinn was done when he left and took the opportunity just like Strong did at Texas. The only reason Golson developed was because he spent a year with a QB guru, not because of anything BK did.

Boys, we have the wrong coach. I do not know who the right coach is but this guy isnt it.

The number of players Brian Kelly has sent to the NFL Draft has increased each year at Notre Dame..1, 4, 6, 8.
Those are the number of Notre Dame players drafted under head coach Brian Kelly’s watch in South Bend. The rising figure highlights the program’s improved player development in recent seasons. For the Irish to compete with college football’s elites, it’s a number that need to stay strong.

“I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Notre Dame began a legitimate contender on the national scene the past few years and all of the sudden they have eight guys drafted,” DraftCountdown.com’s Scott Wright said. “You look at the flipside of that coin, Texas has been struggling and nobody from that program gets drafted. It doesn’t take too much to read between the lines that the best teams have the most talent.”

Notre Dame’s quick ascent to the BCS National Championship Game in Kelly’s third season led to raised expectations in year four, but a 9-4 campaign tempered the good feelings a bit. This draft haul makes the non-BCS season even more frustrating for Irish faithful when you take into account how much professional-caliber talent was on the roster.

Nonetheless, the NFL trend is one Kelly will be quick to point out on the recruiting trail.
“The key now for Notre Dame and Brian Kelly is to build on this,” Wright said. “You’ve got the ball rolling and you can take this to recruits and say, ‘Look, here’s what we do. We just sent eight guys to the pros this year alone. Do you want to be next?’

“It’s nice to happen. You see it happen with a lot of programs, but the key is to do it year after year like Alabama and USC at one point. We’ll see if they can continue that. Certainly it’s a huge positive sign for the program having that many guys drafted.”

Defensive backs coach Kerry Cooks posted a not-so-subtle brag on his Twitter account when he tweeted, “ND x 8, we can get cha there” with a screenshot of an ESPN.com headline: “No Longhorns drafted for first time since ’37.”

It’s momentum the program needs to carry into the season, even if next year’s draft class is not projected to come close to the monster 2014 haul.

For too long, Notre Dame had fallen off the radar of NFL relevance. The eight selections this year were the most in 20 years. In former Irish head coach Charlie Weis’ final three years at the helm, a total of nine players were drafted. Twice in the previous five years just one Notre Dame player’s name was called.
At his National Signing Day press conference, Kelly complained about the trend of underclassmen declaring for the NFL Draft. This year, three Irish players passed up their senior seasons to go pro, but none of the decsions stung more than the surprising departure of tight end Troy Niklas.

“When we were having this opportunity to recruit a young man, they had to have a passion for wanting to get a degree from Notre Dame and winning a national championship,” Kelly said. “If they want to come here just to hang their hat to play football and go to the NFL, we passed on some pretty good players, because I don't want guys to come here and not finish their degree.

“I want guys to come to Notre Dame, get their degree, help us win a national championship, and be the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft. That's what I want, if that's what they want.”

Ideally, players will stay in school for four years, but that’s not completely realistic in 2014. It’s difficult to blame Niklas for grabbing the money now when it’s a sure thing. While he could have moved up the draft board by staying in school another year, the money would not have been that much different.

Players leaving early isn’t a bad thing. Notre Dame was in the same sentence as LSU and Alabama (the other schools with the most draftees, with nine and eight, respectively), and that hasn’t happened enough lately.

If the Irish can continue to pump out NFL talent, it means Kelly and his staff are doing something right in South Bend.
 
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How many guys will ND have drafted this year? Koyac on the 3rd day?
 
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