Interesting Article on WSBT

[connor_in]

I found this and thought I should share it...

History-on-side-of-Irish from WSBT.com

"New Notre Dame football coach. A win over Purdue. Narrow losses to Michigan and Michigan State. A team starved for success.

Sounds like the 2010 Irish, right?

Sorta, but it does have a striking resemblance to Lou Holtz's first team in 1986."

 

[theclassickiller]

Anything that sounds like Holtz sounds good to me!

 

[mgriff]

Eh, it's nice to try and find comparisons with success, but they aren't the '86 team. I hope BK and his teams achieve the same successes and get a NC in two years, but it just seems like everyone is so preoccupied with drawing comparisons and finding the reason he's the one, that we are ignoring everything else. I'm not saying to doubt the guy or his coaching ability, but I hardly think he warrants comparisons to Lou already. People are just desperate for BK to be the guy, and I think it's forcing them to dig in and lose some objectivity.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Eh, it's nice to try and find comparisons with success, but they aren't the '86 team. I hope BK and his teams achieve the same successes and get a NC in two years, but it just seems like everyone is so preoccupied with drawing comparisons and finding the reason he's the one, that we are ignoring everything else. I'm not saying to doubt the guy or his coaching ability, but I hardly think he warrants comparisons to Lou already. People are just desperate for BK to be the guy, and I think it's forcing them to dig in and lose some objectivity.

Major reps mgriff! Great post! You put in to words what I have been feeling.

 

[military_irish]

Eh, it's nice to try and find comparisons with success, but they aren't the '86 team. .

you're right i would easily take the 2010 team over the 1986, from the results of the previous year.

overall talent is greater this year, Stams, Stonebreaker, Brown were the only ones that would probably start on this years team.

just my opinion.

nothing wrong with staying confident with a team.

 

[Riddickulous]

.........The 1986 team lost to five Top 10 teams. There isn't a single Top 10 caliber team on our schedule (although you could make a case for Utah or Stanford).

 

[mrmiller8]

Yeah, although I love lou holtz and think he was phenomal coach and I think that Kelly will turn this around. It does seem like people are begging for BK to be the man. Don't get me wrong I think kelly is the man for the job but its gonna take time. Lets not spend our time digging through the chronicles of Notre Dame football to find reasons why he is the man until he actually becomes the man. If Knute Rockne was brought back from the grave we might still be 1-2 struggling to find out who the the 2010 Irish really are.

 

[mgriff]

you're right i would easily take the 2010 team over the 1986, from the results of the previous year.

overall talent is greater this year, Stams, Stonebreaker, Brown were the only ones that would probably start on this years team.

just my opinion.

nothing wrong with staying confident with a team.

I'm not saying being confident is wrong, and I'm not saying searching for comparisons is wrong, but people can draw as many parallels as they want, and we still won't be that team. BK is not Lou. I hope he wins a NC as much as anyone else, but this constant reaching for comparisons is ludicrous.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

Eh, it's nice to try and find comparisons with success, but they aren't the '86 team. I hope BK and his teams achieve the same successes and get a NC in two years, but it just seems like everyone is so preoccupied with drawing comparisons and finding the reason he's the one, that we are ignoring everything else. I'm not saying to doubt the guy or his coaching ability, but I hardly think he warrants comparisons to Lou already. People are just desperate for BK to be the guy, and I think it's forcing them to dig in and lose some objectivity.

Define "objectivity". Is it being half full, or half empty? We all look at the glass in the way we view life in general, at least that's my experience.

 

[mgriff]

Define "objectivity". Is it being half full, or half empty? We all look at the glass in the way we view life in general, at least that's my experience.

Objectivity - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Next time you want something defined, please go to the dictionary. The context of objectivity in my statement is in regard to the two camps present; the optimists and the pessimists which you point out. The lack of appreciation for the other side of the arguments is what I am speaking of. It's not as bad as it seems, and it's not as good as some people seem to think. The truth lies in the middle, and the ability to realize that the truth lies is the middle is being objective. Not disregarding differing opinions while clinging to your own. Understanding that the opposing camp brings valid points as well, serves to balance an individual out.

 

[mokpra37]

Actually there is a great comparison

Actually there is a great comparison

It is called defensive recruiting. I am not going to do your leg work for you Griff or anyone else. Take a look at how Holz recruited on defense and how Kelly is recruiting on defense. That is a comparison that makes sense and is tangible.

Also, as it may be too early to compare this team to the 86' team, it is also too early to come out and say "they are surely not the 86' team." I know you want to be negative Griff - it is your nature. Try to relax and spend a few days thinking about what people are saying before you pop off with your negativity. You won't seem like such an *** that way.

 

[mgriff]

It is called defensive recruiting. I am not going to do your leg work for you Griff or anyone else. Take a look at how Holz recruited on defense and how Kelly is recruiting on defense. That is a comparison that makes sense and is tangible.

Also, as it may be too early to compare this team to the 86' team, it is also too early to come out and say "they are surely not the 86' team." I know you want to be negative Griff - it is your nature. Try to relax and spend a few days thinking about what people are saying before you pop off with your negativity. You won't seem like such an *** that way.

You clearly have a reading comprehension problem. I would recommend going back and reading every post I made in this thread, and then checking that foolishness you just posted.

 

[KPENN]

It is called defensive recruiting. I am not going to do your leg work for you Griff or anyone else. Take a look at how Holz recruited on defense and how Kelly is recruiting on defense. That is a comparison that makes sense and is tangible.

Also, as it may be too early to compare this team to the 86' team, it is also too early to come out and say "they are surely not the 86' team." I know you want to be negative Griff - it is your nature. Try to relax and spend a few days thinking about what people are saying before you pop off with your negativity. You won't seem like such an *** that way.

How is he being an ***? He makes a point and backs it up.

 

[military_irish]

You clearly have a reading comprehension problem. I would recommend going back and reading every post I made in this thread, and then checking that foolishness you just posted.

at first i thought he was calling you a 3 star, so i could see where that would be somewhat of an insult to some people.


in all seriousness though, i clearly see where you are coming from, and that's what is good about this site. There are the extreme optimist, the pessimist, then the people who try to find that middle ground.

that's what brings forth such great debates, some cool hearted and some very heated, but hey that's what sports talk is.

 

[tko]

mgriff will likely be upgraded to a 4 star by rivals soon.

 

[mgriff]

mgriff will likely be upgraded to a 4 star by rivals soon.

I just feel like I have the potential to make a big post at any time, ya know? I feel like I deserve that star based on my past posts. I mean, you've seen my post record, that isn't three star material. dshans came after me, you think he be wastin' his time on some scrub three star? Please, gimme dat star. I'm gonna continue to make big posts like I do, I ain't worried 'bout da haters.

 

[ACamp1900]

I suppose I would be that former number 1 five star turned Heisman winner, turned top draft pick, turned Super Bowl MVP, turned future Hall of Famer who just sits back and watches it all in my Ivory Palace....


nothing left to prove baby.

 

[mgriff]

I suppose I would be that former number 1 five star turned Heisman winner, turned top draft pick, turned Super Bowl MVP, turned future Hall of Famer who just sits back and watches it all in my Ivory Palace....


nothing left to prove baby.

Apparently I'm a 3 Star atm, but I have tremendous upside. I'll agree with your self-assessment though.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I suppose I would be that former number 1 five star turned Heisman winner, turned top draft pick, turned Super Bowl MVP, turned future Hall of Famer who just sits back and watches it all in my Ivory Palace....


nothing left to prove baby.

Who are you again????

 

[ACamp1900]

Who are you again????

go ask your lady....

 

[nd1]

Who are you again????

come on everybody knows the world famous acamp.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

go ask your lady....

She prefers sausage to snausage... I guess that rules you out SoCal Boy!!!

Go Chiefs!!!! (Who do the Clowns play this week?....I need to lay some cheddar on them to win!!!)

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

come on everybody knows the world famous acamp.

Brah....he and I have known each other since before the start of this here board. It's all good. We just like to give each other poo.

By the way, Aaron....Canuck says Hi!!!

 

[ACamp1900]

She prefers sausage to snausage... I guess that rules you out SoCal Boy!!!

Go Chiefs!!!! (Who do the Clowns play this week?....I need to lay some cheddar on them to win!!!)

lol...

Idk actually, I try not to pay attention...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

lol...

Idk actually, I try not to pay attention...

hah....Probably best to load up my next favorite team now.

 

[ACamp1900]

hah....Probably best to load up my next favorite team now.

How long before you're rockin' an ottawa rough riders logo???

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Do the Clowns play them???

 

[ACamp1900]

Do the Clowns play them???

I'd have ten buck on Ottawa at this point.....

but it's like that uncle who gets arrested... he's still your uncle.


btw, I hereby deem this thread officially highjacked by HCTI and ACamp...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I'd have ten buck on Ottawa at this point.....

but it's like that uncle who gets arrested... he's still your uncle.


btw, I hereby deem this thread officially highjacked by HCTI and ACamp...

WOOOOO HOOOO........ Ride 'em Rough Riders!!!!

 

[tankjeep]

go bears!!