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How would you Colts fans feel about acquiring Matt Stafford? Say it cost you two first rounder and a couple additional picks. Do you bite?
He has never been the issue in Detroit; no supporting cast outside of Calvin Johnson, porous Oline, yet is still tough as nails and plays through the pain.
I think he'd be a great fit personally, as someone who's watched him a ton over the years playing in the NFC North.
He has never been the issue in Detroit; no supporting cast outside of Calvin Johnson, porous Oline, yet is still tough as nails and plays through the pain.
I think he'd be a great fit personally, as someone who's watched him a ton over the years playing in the NFC North.
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I want Matt Stafford, but I wish we could get a better deal for ourselves than a couple first round picks. One first rounder and some other stuff would be better IMO.
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I think he'd be a great fit and an upgrade over Rivers. I wouldn't give up two 1st rounders and I would be surprised if Ballard would. One and maybe a 3rd and a couple of late rounders.
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This is where I’m at. Two first round picks is a lot. I think we could get him for less than that but I don’t know what other teams might be willing to give up.
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No way I'm giving up two firsts. A first and a third or a couple of twos.
Ballard loves picks and giving up those alone would cause him to lose sleep.
Ballard loves picks and giving up those alone would cause him to lose sleep.
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Be interesting to see how this plays out. With so many teams in the QB market I thought it might take 2 first rounders for Stafford.
Colts have too many important holes to fill. I doubt Ballard is willing to give up 2 first round contracts that he can control under the rookie cap.
Colts have too many important holes to fill. I doubt Ballard is willing to give up 2 first round contracts that he can control under the rookie cap.
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I would also take Watson, but if the Texans decide to trade him as requested, they won't do it with a division rival. The Jets might be a good trade partner with Darnold.
Rogers would be a good pick up if the Pack decides it's time. At his age, I think Rogers would only be interested in going to a team like the Colts who are right there and just need that QB to make a run at the SB. Especially with an O-line that's going to give him plenty of time to dissect a D and it would be out of the division and conference.
After Stafford, Watson and Rogers, my choice would be to move up in the draft and find a QB.
Draft
All the teams needing QBs who may want to trade with Detroit or Houston do not have multiple picks in the first, second or third rounds.
Detroit has only four picks in the 2021 draft and Houston has seven.
Cap Space
Detroit is just over the cutoff with +$1.8 million. Houston is in the red at -$17.8 mill
The possible QB need teams with negative cap space are the Bears, Packers, Steelers, Packers, Eagles and Saints in addition to the Lions. The only team with QBs who would have to account for a cap hit of less than $29 mill is Detroit.
Watson and Stafford
Stafford has a cap hit of $20 in 2021 and $23 in 2022 and is free agent in 2023. So eliminate those eight teams with negative cap space, unless they can make a lot of cap space room by restructuring contracts or cutting players. Watson’s contract would be desirable for any team in the NFL. The cap charges for the acquiring team would be $10.54 million, $35 million, $37 million, $32 million, and $32 million. That works out to a five year, $146.54 million contract, an average of $29.308 million a year.
Indy, New England, and Washington have plenty of cap space and could manage that easily. The Broncos, 49ers and Panthers have $14m to $7 mill in cap space. I'd be talking with those three unless someone else wants to come up with some great picks over two years and can create the space.
(I am including teams that potentially could move their established QBs.)
Number of Pick in 2021 Draft
Washington has nine picks total. NE has ten. Indy has seven. As noted, none have multiple picks in the first, second or third round. Not sure about the number of picks all the teams mentioned have in 2022. Whether Alex Smith retires or restructures his contract which has two more years left would create more cap room for The Football Team.
All the teams needing QBs who may want to trade with Detroit or Houston do not have multiple picks in the first, second or third rounds.
Detroit has only four picks in the 2021 draft and Houston has seven.
Cap Space
Detroit is just over the cutoff with +$1.8 million. Houston is in the red at -$17.8 mill
The possible QB need teams with negative cap space are the Bears, Packers, Steelers, Packers, Eagles and Saints in addition to the Lions. The only team with QBs who would have to account for a cap hit of less than $29 mill is Detroit.
Watson and Stafford
Stafford has a cap hit of $20 in 2021 and $23 in 2022 and is free agent in 2023. So eliminate those eight teams with negative cap space, unless they can make a lot of cap space room by restructuring contracts or cutting players. Watson’s contract would be desirable for any team in the NFL. The cap charges for the acquiring team would be $10.54 million, $35 million, $37 million, $32 million, and $32 million. That works out to a five year, $146.54 million contract, an average of $29.308 million a year.
Indy, New England, and Washington have plenty of cap space and could manage that easily. The Broncos, 49ers and Panthers have $14m to $7 mill in cap space. I'd be talking with those three unless someone else wants to come up with some great picks over two years and can create the space.
(I am including teams that potentially could move their established QBs.)
Number of Pick in 2021 Draft
Washington has nine picks total. NE has ten. Indy has seven. As noted, none have multiple picks in the first, second or third round. Not sure about the number of picks all the teams mentioned have in 2022. Whether Alex Smith retires or restructures his contract which has two more years left would create more cap room for The Football Team.
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These prognosticating journalists are cracking me up. Aaron Rodgers literally went on the Pat McAfee show on Tuesday and said he doesn't anticipate going any where and alluded to the fact that his comments after the NFCCG were merely pointing out that there are no absolutes in the sport of football, which is a fact. He even said he would like to be like Kobe or Tim Duncan and stick around with one franchise, but he knows that's simply not a guarantee.
I don't think Rodgers is as upset with GB as people are making him out to be, and I don't think he is going anywhere anytime soon. #12 is a non-story, clickbait topic of conversation in the 2021 offseason.
If I'm Indy, I'm looking at Goff, Stafford and Watson and trying to figure out how to get the best value for one of those three without sacrificing the longevity of the franchise. Y'all have a very solid core.
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The core is solid but the holes are at the most important positions is the problem - QB, CB, pass rusher and left tackle. To fill those Ballard is going to need picks that is needed to get a QB. It’s like a catch 22, either way he goes doesn’t equal Super Bowl. Have to get the QB though to even sniff the playoffs..
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I think AR is more unhappy than he admits, but I just don't think he'll go diva like Watson.
Please no Goff or Watson for Indy. Give me Stafford or Lance.
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I think we can bring back most of our FAs with our cap, so most of the current holes can be re-filled if we want. Adding Stafford IMO will likely be a 1st this year, and 2nd next. That's not a killer.
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I wish you were right but it’s going to take more chips than you anticipate. 2 first rounders is the price and always has been.
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It's been reported that the 49ers offered 2x second rounders, and 2x third rounders. Looking at their picks this year, and estimating the average position next year (for both teams), that capital equates almost exactly to our 1st this year, and 2nd next year (estimating we're in the middle of the 2nd).
I've looked at our roster, FAs, cap situation, etc. in detail. Most of our FAs could easily be brought back (won't be looking for huge raises). The only FA we have that will get a big raise is Rhodes. Everyone else is aging, or is JAGish. The real concern is next year when some big contracts come up for our young guys.
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Again, I’m probably wrong, but the value for Watson or Stafford is out the roof. I hear you on the FAs but Constanzo hung them up, pass rushers are hard to find and we still have no CB. I’m really not following you here... are WRs aren’t that great either. Tons of holes here in the most important places...
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Me neither.. I want no part of Mitch or Wentz.
I had a feeling D would want a QB in return. Ballard couldn’t match this deal and, who knows, might have dodged a mistake.
What’s next...? Jacoby getting that arm loose.
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Just my opinion.
DE - Houston can be brought back for likely less than his last contract. He was productive, and top 10 in PRWR in 2020. Our problem wasn't really lack of DL talent, it was blitzing at near a league low. Autry is a good tweener, and can be brought back for the same (which isn't much) or less.
WR/TE - Pascal and MAC are RFAs and will be cheap if we want to bring them back (it's a no brainer to me). Let TY walk or move him to slot on a team friendly deal. I think it's better to let him walk and draft a 2nd or 3rd round guy. It's a good WR class.
QB - Stafford's contract (20M for 2021) is less than Rivers. Let JB walk or offer him 1M. Plenty of back up guys available as FAs this year that you'll be able to get for 2M or under. I'm OK with rolling with Eason as backup.
LT - Having Nelson gives us a ton of options. A moderately priced FA or 2nd or 3rd round tackle would likely be fine next to Nelson. Nelson could slide out. Smith would probably be fine at LT next to Nelson. I like the guy from N. Dakota State in the 3rd.
CB - Rhodes gets a raise, and we can afford it.
Overall, we have a lot of holes, but we also have the 2nd best cap situation, and a decent core. We can basically bring back last years team minus TY and AC, and use our 2nd and 3rd to cover those. I'd take a LB in the 4th, but we can also afford to pick up a FA LB or bring Walker back. The key is just no long term stupid contracts this year for questionable guys.
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Here's the details. Rams had to up things to be able to unload Goff's contract. It's still a huge dead cap hit for LAR. Man they must of really wanted to move on lol.
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please Baby Jesus no.
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I must be all hopped up on Mountain Dew
Interesting to see how the financials will work out.
Detroit has +$1.7 mill in cap space with Stafford, will save $14 mill in cap savings with the trade but have a Dead Money hit of $19 mill. Goff's cap number is $34.95 mill. https://overthecap.com/player/jared-goff/4714/
LA Rams cap space is -$34 mill, will have cap savings of $12.76 mill with the trade but with a Dead Money hit of $22.2 mill with Goff. Stafford's cap number for 2021 is $33 mill. https://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
Detroit has +$1.7 mill in cap space with Stafford, will save $14 mill in cap savings with the trade but have a Dead Money hit of $19 mill. Goff's cap number is $34.95 mill. https://overthecap.com/player/jared-goff/4714/
LA Rams cap space is -$34 mill, will have cap savings of $12.76 mill with the trade but with a Dead Money hit of $22.2 mill with Goff. Stafford's cap number for 2021 is $33 mill. https://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
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lol, I'd take him over another year of Brissett though.
I'm about to pour my first cocktail. Been hopped up on iced tea all day/evening.
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Sun King Foxy Jam Pants here - being from Indy you know what I’m working with. Delicious