Immigration

[TorontoGold]

You made an exceedingly bad, childish attempt to insult me. When I laughed at you for it, you just repeated yourself. Hard to imagine why I make fun of you for being weak and effeminate and insecure, huh? Get your mom to help you next time. You're really bad at this.

You ran away when I told you to prove two mods told you to stop going off on me lol. You are not a man.

You only post racist pixelated memes about Muslims. If Irish#1 didn't hate them like you, you'd probably see the ban hammer again lmao.

I'll ask for him.

The damn lies TG continues to lay down. Ignoring points and reshaping what was already said (just see his responses on this page). Lies-and Vortex. Love how reasonable discussion can be tinfoil but not a damn thing about Mr. Stolen Valor.

Sure thing pal. Keep playing Call of Duty telling yourself you're a solider LOL

 

[Bishop2b5]

You ran away when I told you to prove two mods told you to stop going off on me lol. You are not a man.

You only post racist pixelated memes about Muslims. If Irish#1 didn't hate them like you, you'd probably see the ban hammer again lmao.

You try so hard. You live in an insecure chidish fantasy world where you really are mommy's strong little man, but I'll give you credit for trying. Keep going, you're doing great!

 

[TorontoGold]

You try so hard. You live in an insecure chidish fantasy world where you really are mommy's strong little man, but I'll give you credit for trying. Keep going, you're doing great!

Like I said, the cuck chair. You've now scurried away back to the mist. A real man would back up his claims, but we all know you're not.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Like I said, the cuck chair. You've now scurried away back to the mist. A real man would back up his claims, but we all know you're not.

Cool, you're doing great. I can tell your mom helped you with that one. Keep going. You're sure to finally win.

 

[Fbolt]

Actually, your Pops enjoyed being in the cuck chair.

Like I said, the cuck chair. You've now scurried away back to the mist. A real man would back up his claims, but we all know you're not.

A real man?

Sure thing pal. Keep playing Call of Duty telling yourself you're a solider LOL

Now I play COD? Lmao. Eventually you might come close. Sad attempt.

Civil discourse, eh?

 

[Irish#1]

You ran away when I told you to prove two mods told you to stop going off on me lol. You are not a man.

You only post racist pixelated memes about Muslims. If Irish#1 didn't hate them like you, you'd probably see the ban hammer again lmao.



Sure thing pal. Keep playing Call of Duty telling yourself you're a solider LOL

Just because you keep saying that doesn’t make it true.

Also, when I sent that private message to you and Bishop, it was private for a reason. Since you decided to make it public, let’s let everyone know that Bishop acknowledged and replied yet no response from you.

 

[NDWarrior]

There is zero evidence that Israel, Trump, MAGA or the tech bros have any correlation to the chaos we're watching in Europe. The only thing Trump has done is pointed to Europe and said, "That's coming to America if the Dems take power again"

All your claims pointing to "dark forces, Zionists, etc" are entirely conspiracy theories with no substance. End of story.

I'll admit America's future is in jeopardy when every metro city starts the mornings with the Muslim call to prayers.

Right, I stated no one knows for sure who these agent provocateurs are 100% but they're not students and protestors. There could be Muslims in there BUT the question is are they being paid to play the part? We don't know. Supposedly, France is gearing up to bust heads and try and uncover who the culprits are... I'm not holding my breath that will go anywhere.

RE:

There is zero evidence that Israel, Trump, MAGA or the tech bros have any correlation to the chaos we're watching in Europe.

I'm actually referring to the coalition having more to do with coordinated destruction and authoritarian control of the U.S., not Europe.
(I was addressing the pushback to my midterm elections voting suppression posts as well as what's going on in Europe.)

The only reason I jumped into the Euro protest discussion is because I believe your "It's the Muslims, it's the Muslims" is a simplistic theory, and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes IMO.

As I said, tho', it is telling that right on queue - as if they had inside knowledge - Netanyahu, Trump and the rightwing parrot influencers all shouted the same "Immigrants bad and did this" narrative with much diversion from the same script.

 

[NDWarrior]

Easy!! The Muslim Bros have their own playbook… you can read it for yourself.

And I quote from their own playbook…

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

Why does this matter? The Muslim Brotherhood is highly associated with and very much linked to the following groups.

In the US:

Islamic Society of North America (ISNA)

Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

Muslim American Society (MAS)

Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)

North American Islamic Trust (NAIT)

Muslim Students Association (MSA)

International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT)

In Europe:

Council of European Muslims (CEM, formerly Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe / FIOE)

Forum of European Muslim Youth and Student Organizations (FEMYSO)

European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR)

National affiliates such as Musulmans de France (formerly UOIF) and various groups in Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, etc.

Abdul Sayed. He has received over $100,000 from 41 people associated with these groups.

His father-in-law, Tayeb Jukaku (also referred to as Jukaku Tayeb), has served on the CAIR Michigan board and on ISNA’s founders committee. He has also been a significant donor to a super PAC supporting Sayed.

Sayed has spoken at or been featured at ISNA events; his campaign operated a booth at an ISNA convention.

Family background: His half-sister has publicly stated that their family “has long been MB” (Muslim Brotherhood) and referenced their mother’s activism with the group in earlier decades.

Ilhan Omar (or whatever her name is) Frequently endorsed or rated highly by CAIR Action/Emgage; has appeared at related events. Critics highlight her foreign-policy positions as aligning with narratives promoted by Brotherhood-linked groups. She has no documented formal membership.

Rashida Tlaib (next target) — Similar pattern of endorsements and event overlap with CAIR/Emgage networks.

André Carson — Often works with Muslim advocacy organizations, including CAIR-related initiatives; has co-sponsored related legislation and received community support from these networks.

These are just examples but there a ton more politicians and people linked to the Brohood.

This all may be some fairly accurate stuff but I will maintain as AI does (yes, there is too much to go through here, so I had AI do the work for me) -That the bottom line re: Israel's infiltration and influence on U.S. politics, culture and government (which I'm more concerned with) compared to the Muslim Brotherhood and et al's infiltration and influence on the same don't compare:

The bottom line

Political influence by any foreign-aligned group should be judged on documented actions and money, not on family trees, 35-year-old memos or global conspiracy claims. On that standard, Israel’s measurable influence on US politics is far better documented than a Brotherhood plot run by American Muslim groups and members of Congress.

Applying the same lens to the same two groups infiltration and influence on Europe:

The bottom line

Europe has documented Islamist organizing that governments themselves take seriously. It also has real influence from Muslim-majority states (Turkey, Qatar) and a persistent, low-casualty jihadist terror threat. None of that adds up to a coordinated campaign that is destroying Europe. Israel’s influence in Europe is weaker than in the US and is clearly losing ground politically. So neither claim fits Europe: not “the Brotherhood is taking over,” and not “Israel controls Western governments.” The fight in Europe over immigration and Islamism is much more about integration and security than about either conspiracy.

And again, as a U.S. citizen, I'm more concerned with Israel's (but also Heritage Foundation's, Christian Nationalists', and Tech Bros') efforts to destroy our Democracy where the latest important act being inflicted by this coalition is suppression of the midterm vote.

 

[TorontoGold]

Just because you keep saying that doesn’t make it true.

Also, when I sent that private message to you and Bishop, it was private for a reason. Since you decided to make it public, let’s let everyone know that Bishop acknowledged and replied yet no response from you.

How is it not true? Look at the posts you liked. What kind of image does it paint that you share the same beliefs of people who think it’s a militant religion that is trying to destroy the West. You just allow straight up racist and Islamophobic posts on this board because you agree with them, or, if you don’t agree then you’re scared of pissing off those people?

BGI had to get rid of its politics threads because they were being demonetized because of how extreme the posts were. I remember when there was a poster who got banned for an Islamophobic post in the football threads, even NoDak got banned for saying to make China glow in the COVID thread. Fast forward to today, we have a mod liking those same sort of posts.

I know I didn’t respond, what difference does that make? He’s claiming that two mods reached out to him to take it easy on me. Let’s see the proof of those two messages because you telling us both to knock it off doesn’t prove even one mod told him to take it easy.

 

[NDWarrior]

You see, students are frustrated and upset about about the current state of things in their countries all over Europe with Serbia (upset with perceived corruption and creeping authoritarianism) being the latest country to defeat the ruling party, which by the nature of its name is more progressive and had done some good things for the country, but apparently, which was becoming increasingly oppressive.

Events and elections had nothing to do with Immigrants or Muslim or Palestine support. Admittedly, only 4.2% of Serbia’s population is Muslim, and only about 11.5% of Serbia's population is foreign born.

Serbia's Vucic concedes defeat in historic election win for student protest movement

 

[Blazers46]

This all may be some fairly accurate stuff but I will maintain as AI does (yes, there is too much to go through here, so I had AI do the work for me) -That the bottom line re: Israel's infiltration and influence on U.S. politics, culture and government (which I'm more concerned with) compared to the Muslim Brotherhood and et al's infiltration and influence on the same don't compare:

The bottom line

Political influence by any foreign-aligned group should be judged on documented actions and money, not on family trees, 35-year-old memos or global conspiracy claims. On that standard, Israel’s measurable influence on US politics is far better documented than a Brotherhood plot run by American Muslim groups and members of Congress.

Applying the same lens to the same two groups infiltration and influence on Europe:

The bottom line

Europe has documented Islamist organizing that governments themselves take seriously. It also has real influence from Muslim-majority states (Turkey, Qatar) and a persistent, low-casualty jihadist terror threat. None of that adds up to a coordinated campaign that is destroying Europe. Israel’s influence in Europe is weaker than in the US and is clearly losing ground politically. So neither claim fits Europe: not “the Brotherhood is taking over,” and not “Israel controls Western governments.” The fight in Europe over immigration and Islamism is much more about integration and security than about either conspiracy.

And again, as a U.S. citizen, I'm more concerned with Israel's (but also Heritage Foundation's, Christian Nationalists', and Tech Bros') efforts to destroy our Democracy where the latest important act being inflicted by this coalition is suppression of the midterm vote.

So you agree, just that you are more concerned about Israel, Christian Nationalists and Tech Bros?

 

[Irish#1]

How is it not true? Look at the posts you liked. What kind of image does it paint that you share the same beliefs of people who think it’s a militant religion that is trying to destroy the West. You just allow straight up racist and Islamophobic posts on this board because you agree with them, or, if you don’t agree then you’re scared of pissing off those people?

BGI had to get rid of its politics threads because they were being demonetized because of how extreme the posts were. I remember when there was a poster who got banned for an Islamophobic post in the football threads, even NoDak got banned for saying to make China glow in the COVID thread. Fast forward to today, we have a mod liking those same sort of posts.

I know I didn’t respond, what difference does that make? He’s claiming that two mods reached out to him to take it easy on me. Let’s see the proof of those two messages because you telling us both to knock it off doesn’t prove even one mod told him to take it easy.

Apparently, liking a post now means I agree with everything that person believes, has ever said, or might say in the future. Nice assumption and an interesting standard. You apply it equally to yourself? You can disagree and you can dislike me, but if you're going to accuse me of racism, Islamophobia, or deliberately protecting people who hold those views, you might want to come armed with something more substantial than a handful of likes and an overactive imagination.

As for moderation, Have you forgotten that the political threads have operated with little to no moderation for years, long before I became a moderator? Everyone who's spent any time here knows that. But somehow you've decided that this longstanding practice is now evidence of my personal beliefs. Convenient comment, no? In your opinion, not deleting a post means I agree with it, while deleting one would presumably make me guilty of censorship. You also seem to have difficulty distinguishing between criticism of a religion and prejudice against people who practice it. They're not the same thing, regardless of how often you try to lump them together.

Regarding the private message, I contacted you and Bishop privately for a reason. Bishop had the courtesy to acknowledge it and respond. You didn't, which was your choice. But rather than address the matter privately, you decided to make it public. So much for handling things like adults. If Bishop claims two moderators contacted him, that's between both of you, rather than demanding that I prove or disprove conversations I wasn't part of.

To the bolded, your acknowledgement that I reached out to both of you to take it easy absolutely proves it.

 

[Blazers46]

Apparently, liking a post now means I agree with everything that person believes, has ever said, or might say in the future. Nice assumption and an interesting standard. You apply it equally to yourself? You can disagree and you can dislike me, but if you're going to accuse me of racism, Islamophobia, or deliberately protecting people who hold those views, you might want to come armed with something more substantial than a handful of likes and an overactive imagination.

As for moderation, Have you forgotten that the political threads have operated with little to no moderation for years, long before I became a moderator? Everyone who's spent any time here knows that. But somehow you've decided that this longstanding practice is now evidence of my personal beliefs. Convenient comment, no? In your opinion, not deleting a post means I agree with it, while deleting one would presumably make me guilty of censorship. You also seem to have difficulty distinguishing between criticism of a religion and prejudice against people who practice it. They're not the same thing, regardless of how often you try to lump them together.

Regarding the private message, I contacted you and Bishop privately for a reason. Bishop had the courtesy to acknowledge it and respond. You didn't, which was your choice. But rather than address the matter privately, you decided to make it public. So much for handling things like adults. If Bishop claims two moderators contacted him, that's between both of you, rather than demanding that I prove or disprove conversations I wasn't part of.

To the bolded, your acknowledgement that I reached out to both of you to take it easy absolutely proves it.

Toronto sharing private messages now? Gross.

 

[NDWarrior]

So you agree, just that you are more concerned about Israel, Christian Nationalists and Tech Bros?

In regards to their danger to the US? 100%. The supposed Muslim Hoard threat is not even close to having the impact that these groups have had and will continue to have on our country.

 

[TorontoGold]

Apparently, liking a post now means I agree with everything that person believes, has ever said, or might say in the future. Nice assumption and an interesting standard. You apply it equally to yourself? You can disagree and you can dislike me, but if you're going to accuse me of racism, Islamophobia, or deliberately protecting people who hold those views, you might want to come armed with something more substantial than a handful of likes and an overactive imagination.

Slow down, I didn’t attribute all of the opinions of everyone to you. I said you shared the opinion of those posts which are Islamophobic.

Look at the posts you liked. Tell me how that makes you seem like someone who isn’t Islamophobic.

As for moderation, Have you forgotten that the political threads have operated with little to no moderation for years, long before I became a moderator? Everyone who's spent any time here knows that. But somehow you've decided that this longstanding practice is now evidence of my personal beliefs. Convenient comment, no? In your opinion, not deleting a post means I agree with it, while deleting one would presumably make me guilty of censorship. You also seem to have difficulty distinguishing between criticism of a religion and prejudice against people who practice it. They're not the same thing, regardless of how often you try to lump them together.

Oh I know they operate with no moderation. I’m pointing out how far these threads of gone in the past 6 or 7 years. YJ would never gone on insane racist tirades. I disagreed with him on literally everything, but he never jumped into gutter ideas like we see here.

Where did I say anything about not deleting a post? Are you referencing the fact I reported a post to let the admins know how far these threads of gone and called you out in it for letting it stew like this? I don’t expect you to do anything about it but I do think the admins should know how radical it’s gotten in here.

I’ll repeat - BGI was getting demonetized because of how radical the speech was getting. Do you really want to stoke the flames of these ideas and have the main board impacted by this?

Regarding the private message, I contacted you and Bishop privately for a reason. Bishop had the courtesy to acknowledge it and respond. You didn't, which was your choice. But rather than address the matter privately, you decided to make it public. So much for handling things like adults. If Bishop claims two moderators contacted him, that's between both of you, rather than demanding that I prove or disprove conversations I wasn't part of.

To the bolded, your acknowledgement that I reached out to both of you to take it easy absolutely proves it.

The courtesy? You guys are boys. These threads are the Wild West and you’re DM’ing me because I’m not just rolling over and taking it lol.

Never made any demands of you. Your message to us is not anything private at all and I didn’t disclose anything that was inflammatory at all.

Bishop has said mods reached out to him specifically to take it easy on me. Not that we both need to chill, but that I was some sort of helpless person and he was being mean lol.

 

[Blazers46]

No, you started off with a 600 person self selecting study saying Muslims support violence, I proved that wrong and now you want to talk about UK grooming groups. Stay on topic.

“I proved you wrong”

That doesn’t make the larger body of evidence disappear. You didn’t prove me wrong by telling me Muslims are proud to be American. Two things can be true at the same time. To be frank I think it’s a moot point anyway. You Import Middle Eastern Values and ideas you get Middle Eastern Value and ideas. It’s amazing how the country has shifted on so many Nationalistic ideas the more the county gets muddied with a different value systems. There was a day Columbus Day was celebrated without whining, Christmas was about Jesus, Christian Nationalism all of a sudden is the rally cry now when we are far less Christian than we ever were… but those same ideas and values have been trampled… in the name of inclusivity.

No? The polling does not show that. Research shows that American Muslims said violence against civilians for any reason is rarely or never justified at a rate lower than the average American. American Muslims are less militant than the generic American.

No, not every poll is a self selecting opt in poll that has been proven to be wrong. If you had stronger fact based support you would have provided it, and not a disgraced online poll. These people have positive feelings towards the country and you think that's wrong because they have some secret ulterior motive to change the laws, but they actually haven't changed the laws just that you're afraid they might in some distant future? The tinfoil is blinding.

Happened to be Christian? lmao the Crusades were literally a holy war. You don't get to rewrite history because you're uncomfortable.

Crusades were absolutely not a good thing LOL. What? They were barbaric land conquests.

How about Bush calling the Iraq war a "crusade by God's chose nation"? That seems pretty religious and a wild thing to say.

As a Christian you should want peace, and certainly not have your religion bastardized by war hungry zealots. Unless of course you support those zealots.


Identity poltics? Your whole schtick is identity politics. You're otherizing people based on their religion. That is identity politics. Progressive policies are not based in skin color, ethnicity, or religion.



You're admitting you'll just roll with confirmation bias no matter that data that shows you're fear mongering about issues that don't exist.



Not sure you know anything about defending. You run off and hide anytime anyone challenges you. You would come home to a gang bang and instead of saying anything, you'd pull up a chair and watch. Stay comfy in the cuck chair.

You’re still leaning on historical body counts from centuries ago like that settles the discussion in 2026. Judging the Crusades by modern standards is like criticizing cavemen for not brushing their teeth. Different era, different world. The relevant question is who poses the active threat now. It’s isn’t Christian Crusaders who are letting their lands be overrun by the very people that hate them, Europe and America.

Christians are not the ones carrying out terror campaigns across Europe, enforcing parallel legal systems, or producing the grooming scandals and no-go issues we’re watching. Immigrants and people from other nations enter the U.S. and West daily with little to no violent recourse from Christians, you and I should travel to Muslim country as Christian Men, we wouldn’t last a week (at least I wouldn’t, you would be an easy convert I suspect). The pattern of violence and intimidation running through Europe right now is not coming from Christians.

On the evidence you keep dismissing: the 1991 Muslim Brotherhood Explanatory Memorandum is not some random blog post. It was entered as Government Exhibit 003-0085 in the Holy Land Foundation trial. It explicitly describes a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” aimed at “eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within.” Multiple organizations it listed (ISNA, CAIR, NAIT, MSA, etc.) still operate. That’s primary source material, not vibes, nor confirmation bias. These are groups bent on overthrowing Europe and the US. These are groups that elected and up for election communist politicians in the US support and are heavily tied to.

You say you’re a Christian. Then live it. Read your Bible bruh. The Sermon on the Mount calls us to be salt and light, not to shrug while people are left in systems that deny the Gospel and the freedom that comes with it. Wanting our neighbors (and our countries) to have access to the same hope and truth we claim isn’t hatred, it’s love. It’s the opposite of indifference. Opening the door wide to an ideology that has not undergone the same reformation and still carries expansionist political theology isn’t compassion, it’s neglecting the people already here and the ones arriving. So you just wear your faith or are you acting it out and practicing it?

Also, One walked back “crusade” comment from Bush after 9/11 is not the same as a living doctrinal and organizational program. Grasping at that to score a point isn’t the same as engaging the actual argument. That’s like saying people buy cocaine under Gods name because the cash has Gods name on it. You’re grasping.

 

[Blazers46]

In regards to their danger to the US? 100%. The supposed Muslim Hoard threat is not even close to having the impact that these groups have had and will continue to have on our country.

So if you agree they are a danger to the US, what do your propose we do about it? Or do we need them to rid ourselves of the Jewish threat?

 

[NDWarrior]

So if you agree they are a danger to the US, what do your propose we do about it? Or do we need them to rid ourselves of the Jewish threat?

Why do you always say "Jewish threat?" I'm talking about Israel, the (mostly, there are detractors there and here) unhinged State and not the Jewish Diaspora.

I know it sounds weak, BUT I actually don't have an easy answer. At this point, Israel and AIPAC have the majority of Congress members and State legislatures and the Federal government.

At this point, I can think of nothing else than to burn down the current political contribution system which especially started going down this bad road with Citizens United v. FEC (2010), but really after JFK was assassinated. After he was taken out, Israel almost immediately got their Nukes online under LBJ and PAC-type spending started to sky rocket as well.

And really the same for our Constitutional Republic / Democracy. At this point it's a Uniparty and it has gotten so bad, that it laid the foundation for Trump and MAGA and the crazed coalition of chaos to come to power and execute their Authoritarian plan and destruction of our Democracy. So essentially, it's no longer a working Constitutional Republic / Democracy at this point.

Again, also not easy, but at this point, (as cliche as it sounds) we the people need to get some kind of legitimate Constitutional Convention going to essentially kind of burn things down and reset things.

But first, we need to stop the Trump/MAGA/Coalition destruction that's picking up momentum and will only get worse if the midterms are subverted. It won't be easy. And, I'm not even close to saying that Blue is the answer (as I've laid out here), but at least it will neutralize the damaging force, and maybe set the stage for reform (and not some kind of vindictive revenge).

That's my opinion anyway... You got any ideas?

 

[Blazers46]

Why do you always say "Jewish threat?" I'm talking about Israel, the (mostly, there are detractors there and here) unhinged State and not the Jewish Diaspora.

I know it sounds weak, BUT I actually don't have an easy answer. At this point, Israel and AIPAC have the majority of Congress members and State legislatures and the Federal government.

At this point, I can think of nothing else than to burn down the current political contribution system which especially started going down this bad road with Citizens United v. FEC (2010), but really after JFK was assassinated. After he was taken out, Israel almost immediately got their Nukes online under LBJ and PAC-type spending started to sky rocket as well.

And really the same for our Constitutional Republic / Democracy. At this point it's a Uniparty and it has gotten so bad, that it laid the foundation for Trump and MAGA and the crazed coalition of chaos to come to power and execute their Authoritarian plan and destruction of our Democracy. So essentially, it's no longer a working Constitutional Republic / Democracy at this point.

Again, also not easy, but at this point, (as cliche as it sounds) we the people need to get some kind of legitimate Constitutional Convention going to essentially kind of burn things down and reset things.

But first, we need to stop the Trump/MAGA/Coalition destruction that's picking up momentum and will only get worse if the midterms are subverted. It won't be easy. And, I'm not even close to saying that Blue is the answer (as I've laid out here), but at least it will neutralize the damaging force, and maybe set the stage for reform (and not some kind of vindictive revenge).

That's my opinion anyway... You got any ideas?

Get rid of Trump I agree… Iran could be me if the biggest blunders ever.

So nothing, we do nothing about the Muslim threat you agree is a problem.

 

[NDWarrior]

Get rid of Trump I agree… Iran could be me if the biggest blunders ever.

So nothing, we do nothing about the Muslim threat you agree is a problem.

Oh yeah, it's just not as pressing.

I still will not subscribe to the "the evil Muslim Hoard out to get the U.S. and Europe." But sure, let's make sure the right government agencies actually go after these entities and this stuff (you do realize there's tons of commentary out there how Israel/Netanyahu/Mossad and the CIA have funded operations of radical Muslim groups around the globe).

And I've always agreed, especially for a country like the U.S. which welcomes war-torn and impoverished people from all part of the globe, that we need to control/vet immigration properly and definitely force immigrants to go through more of a "what it means and encompasses to become a U.S. citizen," actually to be "a documented guest of this country." And make sure they are forced to take some level of English classes and U.S. history and culture appreciation. And of course, that this is all a necessary requirement for any immigrant to become a U.S. Citizen one day.

 

[Blazers46]

Oh yeah, it's just not as pressing.

I still will not subscribe to the "the evil Muslim Hoard out to get the U.S. and Europe." But sure, let's make sure the right government agencies actually go after these entities and this stuff (you do realize there's tons of commentary out there how Israel/Netanyahu/Mossad and the CIA have funded operations of radical Muslim groups around the globe).

And I've always agreed, especially for a country like the U.S. which welcomes war-torn and impoverished people from all part of the globe, that we need to control/vet immigration properly and definitely force immigrants to go through more of a "what it means and encompasses to become a U.S. citizen," actually to be "a documented guest of this country." And make sure they are forced to take some level of English classes and U.S. history and culture appreciation. And of course, that this is all a necessary requirement for any immigrant to become a U.S. Citizen one day.

My thought on Israel is if Trump never bombs Iran Israel is a moot point and the only people talking about Israel are the “Jews are bad” and “Blame Jews for everything people” and Muslims that are jumping on this bandwagon and exploiting it for their political and religious gain… yes religious.. because Muslims hate Israel.

So I think the best solution for the Israel problem expires when Trump leaves.

 

[NDWarrior]

My thought on Israel is if Trump never bombs Iran Israel is a moot point and the only people talking about Israel are the “Jews are bad” and “Blame Jews for everything people” and Muslims that are jumping on this bandwagon and exploiting it for their political and religious gain… yes religious.. because Muslims hate Israel.

So I think the best solution for the Israel problem expires when Trump leaves.

Well for sure, Israel and Netanyahu would absolutely be muted IF Trump (but also any MAGA follow-up President) are out of power since the root cause of the highest impact of Israel on America and on ME chaos and war is the fact that Trump came into power which essentially gave Bibi the green light to go to town on Palestine and Lebanon, and really start leaning into his Greater Israel ambitions since he knew Trump wouldn't interfere with those ambitions, unlike EVERY other President preceding Trump.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Right, I stated no one knows for sure who these agent provocateurs are 100% but they're not students and protestors. There could be Muslims in there BUT the question is are they being paid to play the part? We don't know. Supposedly, France is gearing up to bust heads and try and uncover who the culprits are... I'm not holding my breath that will go anywhere.

RE:

I'm actually referring to the coalition having more to do with coordinated destruction and authoritarian control of the U.S., not Europe.
(I was addressing the pushback to my midterm elections voting suppression posts as well as what's going on in Europe.)

The only reason I jumped into the Euro protest discussion is because I believe your "It's the Muslims, it's the Muslims" is a simplistic theory, and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes IMO.

As I said, tho', it is telling that right on queue - as if they had inside knowledge - Netanyahu, Trump and the rightwing parrot influencers all shouted the same "Immigrants bad and did this" narrative with much diversion from the same script.

You don't know who's looting and setting buildings ablaze but you know for sure it isn't anyone protesting? Do you read this shit before you post?

Every European nation who has spent the past two decades welcoming in migrants from Muslim countries have had negative consequences. Some, not all, of these lowlife protesters causing damage in France are also waving Palestinian flags. That's no coincidence and definitely not a theory...just calling a spade a spade. That is telling you and should smack you in the face...not a conspiracy theory about Trump and Netanyahu.

 

[Blazers46]

You don't know who's looting and setting buildings ablaze but you know for sure it isn't anyone protesting? Do you read this shit before you post?

Every European nation who has spent the past two decades welcoming in migrants from Muslim countries have had negative consequences. Some, not all, of these lowlife protesters causing damage in France are also waving Palestinian flags. That's no coincidence and definitely not a theory...just calling a spade a spade. That is telling you and should smack you in the face...not a conspiracy theory about Trump and Netanyahu.

Israel’s fault…

 

[NDWarrior]

You don't know who's looting and setting buildings ablaze but you know for sure it isn't anyone protesting? Do you read this shit before you post?

Every European nation who has spent the past two decades welcoming in migrants from Muslim countries have had negative consequences. Some, not all, of these lowlife protesters causing damage in France are also waving Palestinian flags. That's no coincidence and definitely not a theory...just calling a spade a spade. That is telling you and should smack you in the face...not a conspiracy theory about Trump and Netanyahu.

Knitpicking are we? I guess I wasn't clear (and I never used the words "for sure," come on man):

- I don't believe (IMHO) that the students are very publicly and unmasked doing things like protesting and blocking the front of their rundown schools only to go home, dress in black and mask themselves, and then go loot stores and burn buildings.
- It's almost certainly a radical entity of some kind, BUT the questions are 1) WHO are they and 2) WHO is potentially paying/incentivizing them to do so?
- Please share your absolute proof if you know who the black bloc protesters are?

Dude, you are certainly going to have consequences from massive immigration over a short time period - Not hard to understand.

Immigrants going into Europe for a better life over the past 50 years post colonialism is not hard to understand and this type of immigration, again, is bound to have consequences at some point when accumulation nears record levels relatively quickly. It certainly is not unlike Souther Europeans and Jews coming to America in the early part of the 20th Centur, is it?

And just like then, this migration wave was immigrants seeking a better life, not, for example, The Italians, in the majority, looking to come to the US to bring their style of La Cosa Nostra to the US to overthrow local existing government and culture (altho' I'm sure it was rough for a bit and their leaders certainly tried to do so). Again, most came for a better life so that shit was never going to stick plus they were never going to overcome existing American culture that was already well entrenched by then.

And I would say the proof is in the pudding "Polish" Leppy in that after a few generations, we all assimilated into US culture and society just fine! Wouldn't you agree?

I feel confident this latest wave eventually will as well. And before you go "but they're Muslim," well, hey, Catholics and different variations of European Christianity that came over from the Old World were not exactly that close to conservative Calvinist Protestant denominations that existed in the US up until then, but it still worked out.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Knitpicking are we? I guess I wasn't clear (and I never used the words "for sure," come on man):

- I don't believe (IMHO) that the students are very publicly and unmasked doing things like protesting and blocking the front of their rundown schools only to go home, dress in black and mask themselves, and then go loot stores and burn buildings.
- It's almost certainly a radical entity of some kind, BUT the questions are 1) WHO are they and 2) WHO is potentially paying/incentivizing them to do so?
- Please share your absolute proof if you know who the black bloc protesters are?

Dude, you are certainly going to have consequences from massive immigration over a short time period - Not hard to understand.

Immigrants going into Europe for a better life over the past 50 years post colonialism is not hard to understand and this type of immigration, again, is bound to have consequences at some point when accumulation nears record levels relatively quickly. It certainly is not unlike Souther Europeans and Jews coming to America in the early part of the 20th Centur, is it?

And just like then, this migration wave was immigrants seeking a better life, not, for example, The Italians, in the majority, looking to come to the US to bring their style of La Cosa Nostra to the US to overthrow local existing government and culture (altho' I'm sure it was rough for a bit and their leaders certainly tried to do so). Again, most came for a better life so that shit was never going to stick plus they were never going to overcome existing American culture that was already well entrenched by then.

And I would say the proof is in the pudding "Polish" Leppy in that after a few generations, we all assimilated into US culture and society just fine! Wouldn't you agree?

I feel confident this latest wave eventually will as well. And before you go "but they're Muslim," well, hey, Catholics and different variations of European Christianity that came over from the Old World were not exactly that close to conservative Calvinist Protestant denominations that existed in the US up until then, but it still worked out.

Oh you do? Based on what exactly?

Comparing the late 1800's/ early 1900's European immigrants into the US to what we've seen happen to Europe from Muslim countries in the past two decades isn't even close. I don't have enough time to get into everything because I could write a book about it, but here's a quick summary just for you:

First and foremost, they all took tests about the nation and swore an oath to the US upon entering
Second, they weren't coming with a religion that clashed with US culture and laws
Third, they did assimilate and did so with zero safety nets at their disposal
Fourth, they didn't come to the US to infiltrate and change it to their liking. They had to do the changing to assimilate and succeed.
Last, the Poles, Irish, Italians, and others didn't strap suicide bombs to themselves or fly planes into buildings while yelling alluha Akbar. In fact, many of these immigrants put on a US uniform and fought against their former countries in WWII.

 

[NDWarrior]

Oh you do? Based on what exactly?

Comparing the late 1800's/ early 1900's European immigrants into the US to what we've seen happen to Europe from Muslim countries in the past two decades isn't even close. I don't have enough time to get into everything because I could write a book about it, but here's a quick summary just for you:

First and foremost, they all took tests about the nation and swore an oath to the US upon entering
Second, they weren't coming with a religion that clashed with US culture and laws
Third, they did assimilate and did so with zero safety nets at their disposal
Fourth, they didn't come to the US to infiltrate and change it to their liking. They had to do the changing to assimilate and succeed.
Last, the Poles, Irish, Italians, and others didn't strap suicide bombs to themselves or fly planes into buildings while yelling alluha Akbar. In fact, many of these immigrants put on a US uniform and fought against their former countries in WWII.

I don't know what to tell you. We'll agree to disagree.

I believe the modern immigrant movement that includes a larger Muslim population than anything the US and Europe have ever seen, is story that is not that terrible and still has some chapters left to see how it turns out.

Again, it doesn't mean the US and Europe shouldn't commit to a better job of controlling / managing / culturally educating immigration and prosecuting any radicalized factions as required (and not funding any of them).

 

[Irish#1]

Slow down, I didn’t attribute all of the opinions of everyone to you. I said you shared the opinion of those posts which are Islamophobic.

Look at the posts you liked. Tell me how that makes you seem like someone who isn’t Islamophobic.



Oh I know they operate with no moderation. I’m pointing out how far these threads of gone in the past 6 or 7 years. YJ would never gone on insane racist tirades. I disagreed with him on literally everything, but he never jumped into gutter ideas like we see here.

Where did I say anything about not deleting a post? Are you referencing the fact I reported a post to let the admins know how far these threads of gone and called you out in it for letting it stew like this? I don’t expect you to do anything about it but I do think the admins should know how radical it’s gotten in here.

I’ll repeat - BGI was getting demonetized because of how radical the speech was getting. Do you really want to stoke the flames of these ideas and have the main board impacted by this?



The courtesy? You guys are boys. These threads are the Wild West and you’re DM’ing me because I’m not just rolling over and taking it lol.

Never made any demands of you. Your message to us is not anything private at all and I didn’t disclose anything that was inflammatory at all.

Bishop has said mods reached out to him specifically to take it easy on me. Not that we both need to chill, but that I was some sort of helpless person and he was being mean lol.

Slow down? Don't backpedal now. You pretty much implied that I'm in agreement with the others, and you're doing a good job of proving my point.

You're not accusing me of sharing everyone's opinions, just the opinions in posts I've liked. Then you ask how those likes make me look like someone who isn't Islamophobic. So we're right back to assigning personal beliefs based on a "like." Apparently, the burden is now on me to prove I'm not something you've decided I am. Liking a post doesn't mean I agree with 100% of its content. I've read/liked plenty of posts because I agreed with a sentence or two, not necessarily the entire post.

As for moderation, you're welcome to believe the political threads have deteriorated, but you're conflating two separate issues: whether the threads should be moderated more closely and whether the mods personally endorse the opinions expressed in them. Two entirely different discussions. On top of that, you say you don't expect me to do anything, yet you specifically called me out to the owner/mods for allowing these discussions to continue. You can't simultaneously acknowledge that these threads have operated with little moderation for years and then single me out as somehow responsible for what they've become.

If you believe the political threads need closer moderation, take that up with the owner/mods. Using me as the example of what's wrong, while suggesting my personal beliefs are somehow responsible, is another matter entirely. And yes, I sent you and Bishop a private message asking you both to ease up. Not because Bishop needed protecting. If that were the case, I would have sent it only to you. I think most people would agree the exchange was getting personal, and I thought it had gone too far. Isn't that what moderators are supposed to do? You choosing not to respond is entirely your prerogative. But turning a simple request to both parties into some conspiracy about favoritism is a bit much. You've proven why moderating these threads can be a no-win situation.

BTW, if you haven't noticed, I try to stay out of moderating. I gave 2008 a timeout to honor the bet he made. Do you remember who he made the bet with? Other than that and the message I sent to you and Bishop and one other of your adversaries, I've largely limited my mod activities to the technical side of running the site. Keep in mind, I didn't ask to become a mod. The owner/mods asked me to help resolve some problems with the site, and I agreed to do what I could. I have to have mod privileges to do so. My work saved IE considerable expense, and I was happy to do so.

I've also significantly reduced my participation in the political threads over the past few months and after this post, I intend to continue doing so. With that, you can have the last word.

 

[Blazers46]

Slow down, I didn’t attribute all of the opinions of everyone to you. I said you shared the opinion of those posts which are Islamophobic.

Look at the posts you liked. Tell me how that makes you seem like someone who isn’t Islamophobic.



Oh I know they operate with no moderation. I’m pointing out how far these threads of gone in the past 6 or 7 years. YJ would never gone on insane racist tirades. I disagreed with him on literally everything, but he never jumped into gutter ideas like we see here.

Where did I say anything about not deleting a post? Are you referencing the fact I reported a post to let the admins know how far these threads of gone and called you out in it for letting it stew like this? I don’t expect you to do anything about it but I do think the admins should know how radical it’s gotten in here.

I’ll repeat - BGI was getting demonetized because of how radical the speech was getting. Do you really want to stoke the flames of these ideas and have the main board impacted by this?



The courtesy? You guys are boys. These threads are the Wild West and you’re DM’ing me because I’m not just rolling over and taking it lol.

Never made any demands of you. Your message to us is not anything private at all and I didn’t disclose anything that was inflammatory at all.

Bishop has said mods reached out to him specifically to take it easy on me. Not that we both need to chill, but that I was some sort of helpless person and he was being mean lol.

Wait…. You mean to tell me you reported a post and Bishop got called to the principals office?

We had some wierdo mocking my kids and my family at one time daily and it was crickets and at the same time glorifying and praising and legit singing songs celebrating CKs public assassination and nothing?

you’ve lost all credibility, joke! Peace out ✌️

 

[Fbolt]

Hahahahahahaahahaha! TG never surprises. One correction Blazer-he's never had credibility. He lies and spins when it suits his needs. Not an honest broker.

He brings the condescending tone, insults and demonizes people, happily states that he just likes to rile people up, and now wants to complain about moderation? He's a major league poser who, when he doesn't get his way, as obviously noted, complains to Mom and Dad. maybe Dad will bail him out of this one too?

Weak. Predictable. Malnourished.