Immigration

[NDWarrior]

@NDWarrior two days and still waiting on your answer for #3

First of all, I'm not on your timeline, thank you. Secondly, I just answered your questions. Have a good weekend.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[NDWarrior]

This is stupid, as anyone can just as easily find many more videos that show ICE officers telling protesters that they better shut up unless they want to end up like the two protestors killed which just as easily sums up the debate from a different perspective.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1) There is no fear about anyone's skin color. It's about who we're importing, where they're coming from, and what they're going to contribute to our republic. The large majority of illegals imported by the Biden admin are from the third world, most don't speak our language, most have little to no education, and most are largely unemployable outside of the hospitality industry due to those factors.

This is absolutely a fair and valid topic to debate and that's what our representative government does - figure out the correct processes for immigration, how the laws are applied, and who should be deported.
Well, that's the nature of immigrants, isn't it? They come here with a different language, customs, and many are uneducated so, again, the degree to which we allow it is a valid question.
I disagree with your last point - They do in many cases take jobs more educated and career demanding US citizens won't take, so they serve an economic purpose; and you're leaving out the idea that many will elevate themselves by learning and education, and many more, start their own businesses, advance and assimilate, etc.

I'd be more inclined to bring in as many people (legally) from countries like Singapore and South Korea if we are aiming to bring in more non whites.

Again, this is a worthy topic of debate.

2) That white Christian majority you speak of is a reason (not the only reason) why we now live in the most prosperous society in history. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the rest.

Never said it has to be perfect, but I would say it's more the American values and ideals of democratic freedoms and that you can pursue anything you want that has driven American greatness and leadership, not these values have existed just because White Christian folks with these values formed our country.

3) Which country would you rather live in where the majority is non white?

A stupid question, as I would rather live in the United States, and it has nothing to do with whether it's majority white, or non-white - I just want to live the most free and open, and successful country, regardless of whichever race makes up the majority of its population.

A valid question on 3 because your original post made it sound like you were eager for the time when those white Christians are in the minority. And you gave a pretty weak response that sounds like something Kamala would have said.

 

[Irish#1]

This is stupid, as anyone can just as easily find many more videos that show ICE officers telling protesters that they better shut up unless they want to end up like the two protestors killed which just as easily sums up the debate from a different perspective.

Feel free to post them.

 

[NDWarrior]

Feel free to post them.

I saw so many weeks ago and would have to dig them out, but here a few. In the first one the agent says "We will kill you."

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

#diversity

 

[Irish#1]

#diversity

#profiling

 

[drayer54]

#diversity

When you import the third world, you import the third world.

 

[NDWarrior]

When you import the third world, you import the third world.

Cherry picking and sensationalistic....

Noncitizen voting is exceedingly rare. An audit by the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia last year found 20 noncitizens out of 8.2 million registered voters, or 0.00024%. In Texas, a review of 18.6 million registrations between 2021 and 2024 identified just 581 noncitizens, or 0.00003%. In Alabama, election officials cancelled registrations of 3,251 individuals suspected of being noncitizens in 2024, but then later acknowledged at least 2,000 were in fact eligible voters. A database of proven election fraud cases since 1982 maintained by the Heritage Foundation finds just 98 cases of alien ineligible voting across the entire U.S.

 

[NDWarrior]

I'm gonna try me some Drayer-ing... This is fun!

 

[drayer54]

Cherry picking and sensationalistic....

Noncitizen voting is exceedingly rare.

You can’t prove it. The people signing anyone up to vote aren’t taking data on how many of them are illlegal. Nobody is auditing the polling stations. This is how blue states vote. This is why they hate voter ID- they want fraud.

 

[drayer54]

New York too ( but muh chart says…)

 

[NDWarrior]

You can’t prove it. The people signing anyone up to vote aren’t taking data on how many of them are illlegal. Nobody is auditing the polling stations. This is how blue states vote. This is why they hate voter ID- they want fraud.

Guess what? You can't prove that illegals voting fraud is consequential and not indeed the rate event that it is; besides, if it's happening in primarily blue states, even it were not inconsequential, it would be redundant since major blue candidates will be winning anyway.

And red states, we well as any proposed current admin polling monitoring / enforcement = voter intimidation.

 

[drayer54]

Guess what? You can't prove that illegals voting fraud is consequential and not indeed the rate event that it is; besides, if it's happening in primarily blue states, even it were not inconsequential, it would be redundant since major blue candidates will be winning anyway.

And red states, we well as any proposed current admin polling monitoring / enforcement = voter intimidation.

If you can prove it is susceptible and happening, that should be enough to make both sides want to ensure election integrity, no? Why wouldn’t both sides want to ensure the laws are being followed and our elections are secure? Shouldn’t all Americans trust election results, not just the side that wins?

 

[Irish#1]

Guess what? You can't prove that illegals voting fraud is consequential and not indeed the rate event that it is; besides, if it's happening in primarily blue states, even it were not inconsequential, it would be redundant since major blue candidates will be winning anyway.

And red states, we well as any proposed current admin polling monitoring / enforcement = voter intimidation.

Kind of like arguing with a policeman because he caught you speeding and didn't pull over the others.

 

[TorontoGold]

Fraud is so well done that they just can’t catch anyone, and the Democrats are so good at fraud they decided to take the 2024 election off. Sound logic.

 

[NDWarrior]

Kind of like arguing with a policeman because he caught you speeding and didn't pull over the others.

No my point is the reporter is cherry picking and this is just one voting registration worker in one office.

And the reporter even stated that it's a federal crime to "process" an application from a non-citizen, not for someone who's just collecting it and passing it on for actual processing. And he warned the guy that it's likely to be rejected depending on how much they're checking at the processing level.

My point is that this is not material to elections at the statistically insignificant rate it occurs.

 

[NDWarrior]

If you can prove it is susceptible and happening, that should be enough to make both sides want to ensure election integrity, no? Why wouldn’t both sides want to ensure the laws are being followed and our elections are secure? Shouldn’t all Americans trust election results, not just the side that wins?

I agree, if both sides could fairly agree on standards. Sorry but this admin is doing everything it can to suppress votes and intimidate voters which doesn't give a lot of people confidence in the admin leading any kind of voter registration legislation.

 

[drayer54]

Kind of like arguing with a policeman because he caught you speeding and didn't pull over the others.

If nobody was pulled over this morning data supports that nobody was speeding.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I agree, if both sides could fairly agree on standards. Sorry but this admin is doing everything it can to suppress votes and intimidate voters which doesn't give a lot of people confidence in the admin leading any kind of voter registration legislation.

Voter suppression? LOL! This is a great example of just mindlessly parroting a ridiculous talking point.

Republicans are engaging in "voter suppression" by requiring you to be a citizen, having an ID to prove who you are, and that you only vote once.

Dems are convinced that women and Blacks are too dumb and helpless to be able to get an ID.

 

[RDU Irish]

Wrong side of a 90/10 issue with gusto. Just laughable at this point.

 

[drayer54]

Wrong side of a 90/10 issue with gusto. Just laughable at this point.

At least we found the 10

 

[NDWarrior]

1) It would be ok, if that's all it is, but tactics like ID last name needs to match birth certificate for married women is ridiculous, and for many working class people, it's a lot of $ for something they don't otherwise need, so essentially a poll tax.

2) Why are there many arguing for ICE to be at all voting locations? That's intimidation - Let the states have their own voter observers and security.

3) But, yes let's figure out a fair and reasonable way to have standard voting registration requirements, then I'm all in.

This is a great example of just mindlessly parroting a ridiculous talking point.

Gaslighting and merely you're opinion - I'll give you an A for effort Bishy.

 

[Irish#1]

1) It would be ok, if that's all it is, but tactics like ID last name needs to match birth certificate for married women is ridiculous, and for many working class people, it's a lot of $ for something they don't otherwise need, so essentially a poll tax.

2) Why are there many arguing for ICE to be at all voting locations? That's intimidation - Let the states have their own voter observers and security.

3) But, yes let's figure out a fair and reasonable way to have standard voting registration requirements, then I'm all in.



Gaslighting and merely you're opinion - I'll give you an A for effort Bishy.

Official documents to show who you are have been a requirement for ages. Those who clamor that the cost, time, etc.. is too much of a burden are only looking for excuses.

 

[Irish#1]

I've got a good idea. Let's put the public in danger and blame in on ICE.

 

[Irish#1]

Let's see if everyone will condemn this or at least say this is going to far? Am I doing this right Toronto?

 

[drayer54]

Official documents to show who you are have been a requirement for ages. Those who clamor that the cost, time, etc.. is too much of a burden are only looking for excuses.

I coach 12U softball. My girls can’t play a tournament without showing a birth certificate.

Having an ID as an adult is normal and a very low bar.

 

[TorontoGold]

Let's see if everyone will condemn this or at least say this is going to far? Am I doing this right Toronto?

I can’t condemn it, I must wait until the full DOJ investigation is complete. And, if I believe it to be politicized then I have an out to disagree. Sorry, I can’t be more clear than I already have, and if you can’t understand my position that’s not my issue.

I believe it is a crystal clear response as established by IE norms.