Immigration

[NDWarrior]

whether they're from Mexico, Milan, Manchester, Mali, Melbourne, or Macau.

How about if they're Afrikaans-speaking folks from South Africa?

 

[NDWarrior]

... is nothing but a dishonest attempt to instill fear and hatred towards your political opponent.

Hmmm... Why does this sound familiar?

 

[NDWarrior]

The conservative obsession with deporting non-whites is a product of your imagination, not something conservatives actually want. We want to deport those who come here illegally in violation of our immigration laws

That's the other thing... It's also about the Admin's (especially Stephen Miller) focus on intentionally pinning all our country's problems on immigrants and making them the scapegoats, and that's why they all have to go and aggressively and violently vs. having a debate on a topic that is very worthy of one.

And of course, it also becomes a lightning rod and justification to unleash ICE surges into large blue cities. It's all a ruse and is ridiculous.

 

[Bishop2b5]

How about if they're Afrikaans-speaking folks from South Africa?

That's different. My wife spent most of her teens in South Africa and can speak Afrikaans. I'd like to see her deported or at least roughed up by ICE and held in a detention facility for awhile.

 

[Bishop2b5]

That's the other thing... It's also about the Admin's (especially Stephen Miller) focus on intentionally pinning all our country's problems on immigrants and making them the scapegoats, and that's why they all have to go and aggressively and violently vs. having a debate on a topic that is very worthy of one.

And of course, it also becomes a lightning rod and justification to unleash ICE surges into large blue cities. It's all a ruse and is ridiculous.

Conservatives don't think illegal immigrants are the cause of all our country's problems. We think they are the cause of some problems and we can fix those by deporting them. BTW, why do you consistently refer to them as immigrants instead of illegal immigrants? There's a difference. We aren't against immigrants who come here legally. Virtually all of us are descended from such people. We're opposed to those who break our nation's immigration laws and are here ILLEGALLY. Stop trying to conflate the two, please.

The majority of ICE and CBP arrests are nonviolent. The only ones that ARE violent are when people interfere with their lawful execution of the law. LE and federal agents enforcing the law shouldn't be an issue or a lightning rod for anything. Protesters who interfere with the enforcement of our nation's laws or criminals who resist arrest are 100% to blame for the problem. Don't be her illegally. Don't harbor those here illegally. Don't break the law. Don't interfere with LE enforcing the law.

 

[NDWarrior]

This all debatable based on plenty of video evidence but to answer your question about immigrant vs. illegal immigrant, I intentionally use immigrant because ICE/CBP are not differentiating between the two when they grab whoever looks like an immigrant.

Since they don't differentiate, neither do I.

 

[drayer54]

This must be extremist shit on the AlexjonesGPTV

Bill Maher, who gave Obama a million bucks and is a notorious lefty doesn’t understand why Biden deliberately opened the border. Our forum guru of calling everyone else a racist though is clearly an expert.

 

[Blazers46]

You guys would all be a lot better off and a lot more intellectually honest if you just come out and say what you're really feeling and thinking:

You're scared that the White Christian majority is going to be lost soon and that you're not comfortable with all these strange darker-skinned people and foreign cultures becoming a majority in this country. And although you're happy to see Trump and DHS completely shut down the border and ban almost half of "shit-hole" countries from coming to the U.S., that's not good enough for you. You would rather that the admin deport them ALL in whatever manner it needs to be done, even if it requires brutality and murder... Good riddance to them ALL!

I’m not sure even what you are arguing is really a bad thing to be honest.

I’ll echo what I echo every week… a diverse and multi-cultured country is a fools errand long term.

I’ll also repeat in the early 90s this country was 80% white and 90% Christian.

I will add… 90% of Americans had Pride in the United States, today it’s around 50%.

Mental health has plummeted since the 90s.

This country is deteriorating. This multi-cultured country that people brag about is false advertising because it’s obviously a new thing since the 90s.

The waves of immigration since the 90s has led to tribalism and some sort of weird ax to grind with the once majority populations.

 

[TorontoGold]

Whiteness is an evolving classification that historically hasn't been based on skin colour. I can't believe in the year 2026 on the internet football forum of an Irish Catholic university that this isn't known. Not sure how many Jews felt "white" in the early 1900s.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You guys would all be a lot better off and a lot more intellectually honest if you just come out and say what you're really feeling and thinking:

You're scared that the White Christian majority is going to be lost soon and that you're not comfortable with all these strange darker-skinned people and foreign cultures becoming a majority in this country. And although you're happy to see Trump and DHS completely shut down the border and ban almost half of "shit-hole" countries from coming to the U.S., that's not good enough for you. You would rather that the admin deport them ALL in whatever manner it needs to be done, even if it requires brutality and murder... Good riddance to them ALL!

1) There is no fear about anyone's skin color. It's about who we're importing, where they're coming from, and what they're going to contribute to our republic. The large majority of illegals imported by the Biden admin are from the third world, most don't speak our language, most have little to no education, and most are largely unemployable outside of the hospitality industry due to those factors.

I'd be more inclined to bring in as many people (legally) from countries like Singapore and South Korea if we are aiming to bring in more non whites.

2) That white Christian majority you speak of is a reason (not the only reason) why we now live in the most prosperous society in history. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the rest.

3) Which country would you rather live in where the majority is non white?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[Blazers46]

Whiteness is an evolving classification that historically hasn't been based on skin colour. I can't believe in the year 2026 on the internet football forum of an Irish Catholic university that this isn't known. Not sure how many Jews felt "white" in the early 1900s.

Weird. White is fluid. 🧐 What is whiteness… how is whiteness… where is whiteness… we can’t even tell who is whiteness apparently. I guess it’s what we want it to be to demonize. I’ll add this to this the list of things you can’t define.

 

[TorontoGold]

Weird. White is fluid. 🧐 What is whiteness… how is whiteness… where is whiteness… we can’t even tell who is whiteness apparently. I guess it’s why we want to it to be to demonize. I’ll add this to this the list of things you can’t define.

lmao have you spent any iota of time studying history? I know you hate Catholicism but not knowing basic history is astounding.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[drayer54]

 

[Blazers46]

lmao have you spent any iota of time studying history? I know you hate Catholicism but not knowing basic history is astounding.

Another quality post writing words without saying anything at all.

 

[TorontoGold]

Another quality post writing words without saying anything at all.

So you have nothing. Whiteness has always been an expanding definition. Different groups of white people by today’s standards would not be treated the same back in the day. On an Irish Catholic forum I have to educate you on this. Astounding.

 

[Blazers46]

So you have nothing. Whiteness has always been an expanding definition. Different groups of white people by today’s standards would not be treated the same back in the day. On an Irish Catholic forum I have to educate you on this. Astounding.

I get why you are trying to parallel the two but it’s a reach. Trying to spin this into me hating Irish or Catholics is just an insane but a very Toronto thing to say.

Europeans have ALWAYS been classified as white. Did the new guy have troubles, duh. I’m not discounting that but it’s drastically different. While infighting happened, they found a way to assimilate. They learned the language/accent. They named their babies traditional American baby names. They were Christian. The values, culture, traditional and sense of American pride stayed the same. THEY assimilated to the culture.

Statistically with the massive wave, scale, and population (which is much different) the culture has shifted. Instead of assimilating they are entering a country where we a half the population demonizing Christians and/or wypepo. So instead of assimilating they are victims that need be acclimated to.

 

[Blazers46]

We could probably debate this endlessly without reaching common ground.

At its core, the disagreement boils down to our fundamental views: what America actually is right now, what the Founders intended it to be, and what we each think it ought to be in the future.

 

[Blazers46]

On an Irish Catholic forum I have to educate you on this. Astounding.

Also this is a college football forum. You’re either gaslighting or an idiot. But both have proven to be accurate so it could be both.

 

[TorontoGold]

I get why you are trying to parallel the two but it’s a reach. Trying to spin this into me hating Irish or Catholics is just an insane but a very Toronto thing to say.

You’re actively minimizing the prejudice that Irish Catholics faced. You think I hate Christianity but only one of us is trying to rewrite history.

Europeans have ALWAYS been classified as white.

lol no. Europeans are part of the OG’s of racism. Go read any piece of history and tell me if slavs/italians/irish/jews were singing kumbaya with each other and the other modern whites in the US.

Did the new guy have troubles, duh. I’m not discounting that but it’s drastically different.

lol you totally are. You think the massive immigration waves were made and people just accepted it? “Oh well they’re Christian!” “They have white skin!” Look at all the anti immigration sentiment from those times.

While infighting happened, they found a way to assimilate. They learned the language/accent. They named their babies traditional American baby names. They were Christian.

That happened over decades. You and the other white replacement theorists are freaking out over assimilation but don’t understand the history.

The values, culture, traditional and sense of American pride stayed the same. THEY assimilated to the culture.

lol how long did that take?

Statistically with the massive wave, scale, and population (which is much different) the culture has shifted. Instead of assimilating they are entering a country where we a half the population demonizing Christians and/or wypepo. So instead of assimilating they are victims that need be acclimated to.

When you perceive everything that isn’t in lockstep with your ideals as “demonizing” you’re going to think you’re under constant attack. You are not. Trying to rewrite history of what Irish Catholics faced is insane.

 

[LifelongFan]

To be a white supremacist like Blazer, you can't know any history, or much of anything at all.

 

[Blazers46]

You’re actively minimizing the prejudice that Irish Catholics faced. You think I hate Christianity but only one of us is trying to rewrite history.


lol no. Europeans are part of the OG’s of racism. Go read any piece of history and tell me if slavs/italians/irish/jews were singing kumbaya with each other and the other modern whites in the US.


lol you totally are. You think the massive immigration waves were made and people just accepted it? “Oh well they’re Christian!” “They have white skin!” Look at all the anti immigration sentiment from those times.



That happened over decades. You and the other white replacement theorists are freaking out over assimilation but don’t understand the history.



lol how long did that take?



When you perceive everything that isn’t in lockstep with your ideals as “demonizing” you’re going to think you’re under constant attack. You are not. Trying to rewrite history of what Irish Catholics faced is insane.

I am minimizing it in the context of I don’t think we are comparing apples to apples here. I’ve explained my reasons why. You just need to find a reason to argue and accuse me of hating people. You make fine points that I agree with but because I don’t echo your faux outrage you think I’m minimizing it.

 

[Blazers46]

To be a white supremacist like Blazer, you can't know any history, or much of anything at all.

I’m actually surprised you’re still here. Why waste your time even posting? You have nothing to add to any conversation…. Next!!

 

[Blazers46]

Happy Valentines 💝

 

[TorontoGold]

I am minimizing it in the context of I don’t think we are comparing apples to apples here. I’ve explained my reasons why. You just need to find a reason to argue and accuse me of hating people. You make fine points that I agree with but because I don’t echo your faux outrage you think I’m minimizing it.

Because the assimilation of those that weren’t perceived to be white at the time took a lot longer than you think. You look back with rose coloured glasses. It’s insane to think that “non-Christian’s” are assimilating slower than other mass migration movements.

It’s ahistorical slop that of course is getting parroted by an evangelical.

 

[Blazers46]

Because the assimilation of those that weren’t perceived to be white at the time took a lot longer than you think. You look back with rose coloured glasses. It’s insane to think that “non-Christian’s” are assimilating slower than other mass migration movements.

It’s ahistorical slop that of course is getting parroted by an evangelical.

I feel like you’re arguing with yourself to make a point that can’t find a runway.

I’m not denying the long, tough road Irish Catholics and others faced… obviously real prejudice, decades of it. But the eras still aren’t comparable. Past groups integrated into a more unified American core (shared Christianity, language shifts, economic pull) over generations, often helped by immigration policy/pauses.

Today’s wave is bigger, more diverse (less Christian/European), and lands in a more fragmented society full of multiculturalism and criticism of traditional values. That changes the pace and feel of integration in ways past smaller waves didn’t. The overall shift to values, culture, and national unity feels more transformative now.

We see history differently, context matters, and I think we’re framing it through different lenses but it ultimately comes down to what we believe America was meant to be, is now, and should become. I suspect we disagree on at least two of those three. We will never agree, just argue more.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1) There is no fear about anyone's skin color. It's about who we're importing, where they're coming from, and what they're going to contribute to our republic. The large majority of illegals imported by the Biden admin are from the third world, most don't speak our language, most have little to no education, and most are largely unemployable outside of the hospitality industry due to those factors.

I'd be more inclined to bring in as many people (legally) from countries like Singapore and South Korea if we are aiming to bring in more non whites.

2) That white Christian majority you speak of is a reason (not the only reason) why we now live in the most prosperous society in history. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the rest.

3) Which country would you rather live in where the majority is non white?

@NDWarrior two days and still waiting on your answer for #3

 

[TorontoGold]

lol MAGA is losing the conservatives. Truly creating a third party of rednecks, fat fucks, and idiots.

 

[NDWarrior]

1) There is no fear about anyone's skin color. It's about who we're importing, where they're coming from, and what they're going to contribute to our republic. The large majority of illegals imported by the Biden admin are from the third world, most don't speak our language, most have little to no education, and most are largely unemployable outside of the hospitality industry due to those factors.

I'd be more inclined to bring in as many people (legally) from countries like Singapore and South Korea if we are aiming to bring in more non whites.

2) That white Christian majority you speak of is a reason (not the only reason) why we now live in the most prosperous society in history. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the rest.

3) Which country would you rather live in where the majority is non white?

1) There is no fear about anyone's skin color. It's about who we're importing, where they're coming from, and what they're going to contribute to our republic. The large majority of illegals imported by the Biden admin are from the third world, most don't speak our language, most have little to no education, and most are largely unemployable outside of the hospitality industry due to those factors.

This is absolutely a fair and valid topic to debate and that's what our representative government does - figure out the correct processes for immigration, how the laws are applied, and who should be deported.
Well, that's the nature of immigrants, isn't it? They come here with a different language, customs, and many are uneducated so, again, the degree to which we allow it is a valid question.
I disagree with your last point - They do in many cases take jobs more educated and career demanding US citizens won't take, so they serve an economic purpose; and you're leaving out the idea that many will elevate themselves by learning and education, and many more, start their own businesses, advance and assimilate, etc.

I'd be more inclined to bring in as many people (legally) from countries like Singapore and South Korea if we are aiming to bring in more non whites.

Again, this is a worthy topic of debate.

2) That white Christian majority you speak of is a reason (not the only reason) why we now live in the most prosperous society in history. It ain't perfect, but it's better than the rest.

Never said it has to be perfect, but I would say it's more the American values and ideals of democratic freedoms and that you can pursue anything you want that has driven American greatness and leadership, not these values have existed just because White Christian folks with these values formed our country.

3) Which country would you rather live in where the majority is non white?

A stupid question, as I would rather live in the United States, and it has nothing to do with whether it's majority white, or non-white - I just want to live the most free and open, and successful country, regardless of whichever race makes up the majority of its population.