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You realize - maybe not - that Trump is saying:
a) Mexico is so violent, we need walls and asylum seekers are safe and Mexico can't be trusted to keep their word and not open their borders

and that Homeland Security is saying to the Ninth:
b) Mexico is not that violent and asylum seekers are safe and Mexico can be trusted to keep their word.

Something tells me that you would choose both a) and b)

There, I simplified it for you. Less stressful? Perhaps an image helps?

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Legacy, can you just answer the question?
I didn't ask your opinion on what Trump or HS thought. I asked what you believe.
I'll be happy to answer it simply as well.
 

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Legacy, can you just answer the question?
I didn't ask your opinion on what Trump or HS thought. I asked what you believe.
I'll be happy to answer it simply as well.


Originally Posted by Irish YJ View Post
So Legacy, what is it.

a) Mexico is so violent, we need walls and shouldn't let asylum seekers stay there
b) Mexico is not violent and we don't need walls, and asylum seekers are safe

there isn't a convenient
c) Mexico is not violent enough that we need walls, but too violent for asylum seekers

If your question involves those choices you made up and some of the issues, I believe:

Mexico is violent (I posted the CJ stats). We need border security involving walls in some places, but mostly some comprehensive border and immigration acts. Asylum seekers that don't meet criteria for deportation can stay in Mexico if they are safe until their immigration hearing. As a country we need to follow the rule of law regarding asylum seekers. (see Ninth Circuit decision specifics) Congress needs to pass new immigration policies that recognize their rights, preserve our sovereignty and their obligations under our laws, while facilitating trans-border commerce. We need to protect our citizens from the criminal element in Latin America (states and local government each have their priorities, sometimes differing). I would end "chain migration". DACA was established by executive order, and that needs to be addressed by Congress, who has abrogated their duty to act for the common good on immigration. Even if all the refugees have experienced "credible threats" we should not have to provide all with admission to the U.S. and with all the privileges and benefits citizens have. Immigration is by definition temporary, unless someone wants to obtain citizenship. I'd give the "dreamers", for instance, that choice. If the "Remain in Mexico" policy works for all sides and passes judicial review and oversight, I am in favor of it. If we can legally have a quota system for asylum seekers, I would favor that. These issues that Congress needs to address are clear. I cannot disregard the moral aspects and believe Catholic Social Teaching on Immigration is sound. Catholic Social Teaching on Immigration and the Movement of Peoples

That may not encompass everything, but does it answer your question?
 
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If your question involves those choices you made up and some of the issues, I believe:

Mexico is violent (I posted the CJ stats). We need border security involving walls in some places, but mostly some comprehensive border and immigration acts. Asylum seekers that don't meet criteria for deportation can stay in Mexico if they are safe until their immigration hearing. As a country we need to follow the rule of law regarding asylum seekers. (see Ninth Circuit decision specifics) Congress needs to pass new immigration policies that recognize their rights, preserve our sovereignty and their obligations under our laws, while facilitating trans-border commerce. We need to protect our citizens from the criminal element in Latin America (states and local government each have their priorities, sometimes differing). I would end "chain migration". DACA was established by executive order, and that needs to be addressed by Congress, who has abrogated their duty to act for the common good on immigration. Even if all the refugees have experienced "credible threats" we should not have to provide all with admission to the U.S. and with all the privileges and benefits citizens have. Immigration is by definition temporary, unless someone wants to obtain citizenship. I'd give the "dreamers", for instance, that choice. If the "Remain in Mexico" policy works for all sides and passes judicial review and oversight, I am in favor of it. If we can legally have a quota system for asylum seekers, I would favor that. These issues that Congress needs to address are clear. I cannot disregard the moral aspects and believe Catholic Social Teaching on Immigration is sound. Catholic Social Teaching on Immigration and the Movement of Peoples

That may not encompass everything, but does it answer your question?

In short, I think there is violence everywhere unfortunately. I don't think a wall is necessary everywhere either assuming there are other ways to successfully monitor and IF (huge if) laws are fixed and enforced.

As far as asylum is concerned, I think 95+% of asylum requests are BS, and are simply economic in nature. We need to have honest conversations about asylum, as it's obvious that our system is getting completely abused and taken advantage of. If we can't set, and manage a clear definition and threshold for asylum, we're opening our doors to the majority of the world outside of N America, W Europe, and a few other countries/areas.

Back to violence.... out of the top 100 most violent cities in the world, the US has several. I believe I already posted the stats on several, and a good portion of those had heavy/dense illegal populations. Illegals, and those once legal aren't settling in safe areas, so it's very easy to question their true motive.

On Mexico. As a country their homicide rate is 4x ours. Much, much higher in border towns, and especially along TX. So I have zero problem with a big tall wall along most of that area.

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Conversely, the least violent areas in Mexico are S Mexico, and interior Mexico. Just as safe, or even more safe than many states in the US. And VERY close to the Triangle countries. So again, points to economic motive.

Personally, I've spent a good amount of time in El Paso, and have friends that have lived there since the early 90s, and also friends in/from Juarez. I've personally lived and worked in Central America in the 7th most violent country (Belize) in the world with is 7+x our rate. I've had to bribe, grease palms, and I've seen the violence. Not all, but a good amount of the violence that goes on there comes from illegals from the Triangle countries.

In terms of the Triangle countries.... They are failed nations. Corruption and violence are ingrained in the culture. Something drastic will have to happen for those countries to self correct. Simply giving them money does absolutely nothing. At some point in time, the people will need to take it upon themselves to make change. Folks leaving in droves, only makes the economic situation worse, and strengthens the illegal and violent elements.

Even Belize, where I felt safe (I knew where not to go, and/or when not to go) for the most part, would slide into Triangle like status if it weren't for the ties to the UK. It has already slid plenty as Britain has slowly pulled away in different aspects. I personally got to see the UK close down several bases and pull troops. The increase in violence was almost instantaneous. I'm friends with the president's son, and the stories I can tell are simply insane. His father is retiring in 2020 after 12 years, and the party is picking the new candidate this month. From what I gathered, he wants to get the hell out even though he's cited health as a reason. In short, the problems in CA are growing outward. I'd bet the homicide rate in BZ grows steadily along with illegal immigration over the next 10 years.

In my heart, I'd love to give a pass to DACA kids. BUT... it sets a very bad precedent and encourages additional illegal immigration. I think the wall in exchange for DACA was a good bargain. Regardless, we need to close the birth tourism loop hole as it's simply too big of a carrot.

Big wall, big door, common sense laws and enforcement... void of politics...

PS... I'm sure there's many Catholic teachings you disagree with (as do I), so cherry picking what you like or don't like on an issue won't sway many folks. Just food for thought. There's only a few folks on here like Whiskey that I know walk the entire walk (or at least most of it) and can make that kind of argument an invoke the Church's teaching.
 

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DACA was established by executive order, and that needs to be addressed by Congress, who has abrogated their duty to act for the common good on immigration.

I agree. Congress is too busy trying to nail DJT instead of addressing matters at hand.
 

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US to add 30,000 seasonal worker visas as soon as this week (AP,
May 6, 2019)

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration plans to let an additional 30,000 foreigners return to the United States through September for seasonal work, a move that reflects how the booming economy has complicated President Donald Trump’s hard-line efforts on immigration.

Details of the plan were in a draft rule obtained by The Associated Press. It would benefit oyster shucking companies, fisheries, loggers and seasonal hotels, including Trump’s own Mar-a-Lago club in Florida. All use the visas to hire migrants for temporary work they say Americans won’t do.

The visas, known as H-2Bs, will go only to returning foreign workers who have had the visa before, over the past three budget years. Many go back to the same employers year after year. Those workers have had background checks, are trusted and are not likely to stay past their visa, officials said.

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services will begin taking applications from employers on behalf of the workers once the temporary rule is published in the Federal Register. That is expected Wednesday....
 

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Where is Texas’ growing population coming from?
Texas is growing at a rate of 1,000 people per day, and for the second year in a row, most of the people who moved to the state came from other countries in 2018. And the biggest growth in international migration isn't from Latin America.
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The U.S. Census Bureau’s latest population estimates confirmed what many Texans already knew: People are still flocking to the Lone Star State.

Texas is growing at a rate of 1,000 people per day, and roughly half of these new Texans are migrants, according to State Demographer Lloyd Potter. The other half are newborns, Potter added.

The state gained 187,545 people from migration between July 2017 and July 2018 — even after accounting for people leaving the state, according to U.S. Census data.

In 2018, the majority of migrants to Texas — 104,976 people — came from other countries, with the rest arriving from other U.S. states.

That marked the second straight year that international migration into the state exceeded domestic migration, said Luke Rogers, chief of the population estimate branch for the U.S. Census Bureau.

Before 2017, domestic migration dominated the story of Texas growth: From 2005 to 2013, 4.8 million of the 5.9 million of people who moved to Texas came from other states, and since 2010, people from other states accounted for 29% of the state's population growth, compared to the 23% that came from international migration. That flipped in 2017, and between 2017 and 2018, international migration increased by 28%, while domestic migration grew by a more modest 22%.

Meanwhile, Texas has seen an increase in migration from Asian countries, particularly China and India. Potter said around 45% of international migrants came from Asia in 2016.

“Over the 2000s, we saw a pretty significant opening of China and kind of increasing number of Indian students coming over to study,” Potter said. “And I think what happens frequently is once they finish studying, they are able to get sponsored by a company for a work visa. … Once they get a green card, then they can start sponsoring their family to come over as well.”

Jobs are also the main magnet for domestic migration, particularly for highly educated individuals, Potter said. The biggest flow of domestic migrants comes from California, but Potter said many domestic migrants also come from New York, Illinois, Florida and Louisiana.
 
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Will Conditions Be Met for the Remain in Mexico policy?

Will Conditions Be Met for the Remain in Mexico policy?

Judge Paul Watford, the deciding vote in the Ninth's Appeals Court, said this in his opinion affirming the Remain in Mexico Policy:
'But congressional authorization alone does
not ensure that the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) are being implemented in a
legal manner. As then-Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen
recognized, the MPP must also comply with “applicable domestic and international
legal obligations.” One of those legal obligations is imposed by Article 33 of the
1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, which provides:
No Contracting State shall expel or return (“refouler”) a
refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of
territories where his life or freedom would be threatened
on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership
of a particular social group or political opinion.

With U.S. hearings months away, migrants back in Juárez with no place to stay, few options (El Paso Times)

The members of the group (from Guatemala) had completed the long journeys from their home countries to the U.S. last Monday, when they crossed the border illegally and turned themselves in to U.S. Border Patrol agents.

They were processed at a temporary facility in El Paso on Tuesday, and by Wednesday, they were back in Juárez.

They had bypassed a system that effectively forces immigrants to wait in Juárez while U.S. Customs and Border Protection clears space for legal asylum claims at the ports. But because of the Trump administration's new Migrant Protection Protocols, commonly called the Remain in Mexico policy, they were sent to wait in Juárez anyway — with hearings scheduled many months from now.

Now they may have lost their spaces at shelters in Juárez and some appear to have turned over documents to U.S. immigration officials that might have allowed them to live and work in Mexico.

They were processed at a temporary facility in El Paso on Tuesday, and by Wednesday, they were back in Juárez.

They had bypassed a system that effectively forces immigrants to wait in Juárez while U.S. Customs and Border Protection clears space for legal asylum claims at the ports. But because of the Trump administration's new Migrant Protection Protocols, commonly called the Remain in Mexico policy, they were sent to wait in Juárez anyway — with hearings scheduled many months from now.

Now they may have lost their spaces at shelters in Juárez and some appear to have turned over documents to U.S. immigration officials that might have allowed them to live and work in Mexico.

Immigration court hearings months away
Fierro has told immigrants that they cannot stay at the church while their cases move through the U.S. courts. He must make room for the steady stream of people arriving in Juárez to make their initial U.S. asylum plea.

When the Remain in Mexico policy first took effect, hearings were scheduled weeks after immigrants made their initial asylum claims. Now those court dates are months away.

Chuk and other members of the group he crossed with had hearings scheduled in late September and early October.

Mexican government officials say they are prioritizing assistance for migrant families, especially mothers and their children. The city has 10 registered shelters, coordinated by the federal government's Instituto Nacional de Migracion, as well as an agency called Grupo Beta.

Claims of fear of returning to Mexico
In their first hearings, many of the immigrants expressed fear about returning to Mexico. Several of them told the court on April 17 that they were afraid of being identified by gangs, having their children kidnapped, and finding a place to stay if they had to wait in Mexico.

Others said they had already been told there wouldn't be room for them at Juárez shelters when they return.


"The dam is going to overflow": In Mexico, pressure builds as U.S. immigration policies take hold
While U.S. officials sound the alarm over a surge of migrants crossing the border, Mexican shelter operators and immigration officials are trying to find space for people from nearly every continent who must wait in Mexico as they try to claim asylum in the U.S. [/I
](Texas Tribune, MAY 16, 2019)

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Maybe one day in the coming months, the regulation scribbled on a hand-written sign at the immigrant shelter here will be better enforced.

But chances are better that the notice — which reads “only 60 migrants” in Spanish — could be yanked from the wall of the cluttered El Buen Pastor shelter and tossed away altogether.

“The capacity is 60, and that comes with a lot of problems. We don’t have beds,” said the Rev. Juan Fierro Garcia, the shelter's director. “So we’re trying to use another place [across the street] so we can fit in more.”

Chaos is the new normal for Fierro and his wife, who for the last six months have been forced to use church pews as makeshift cots and find space in their dining room for thin mattresses where a growing influx of migrants can sleep. For the past two weeks, the number of migrants sleeping at the shelter has ranged from 80 to 110, he added, but he’s trying to add space to take as many as 250.
Cuban migrant Reinaldo Pacheco has also been patient, and he hoped Monday afternoon that it would pay off later in the week. With a grin he flashed his ID and the number — 9,714 — he was assigned when he arrived in Mexico more than two months ago. He said he would be called sometime within the next two days.

He had nothing but praise for Fierro and the shelter, calling the hospitality wonderful.” But it's a different matter when it comes to Ciudad Juárez as a whole, he said.

“I didn’t know or have any idea how Mexico was or how Juárez was, but I always wanted to come to Mexico,” he said. “But in realty I haven’t enjoyed it much. It’s very violent. I was kidnapped here [after a week], they beat me up, they took my money and threatened me with death.”

As the stress continues to mount in Mexican border cities, U.S. officials are warning that the crisis is worsening north of the border as well. Last month, about 99,000 undocumented immigrants were apprehended or turned themselves in between ports of entry on the southwest border, according to federal statistics. Since October 2018, when the current fiscal year began, there have been more than 460,000 apprehensions, already surpassing 2018's fiscal year total of 396,579.

Pope Francis gives $500,000 to support migrants in Mexico (Catholic News Agency)
 
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Strange bedfellows.

GOP senators line up against Trump’s 5% Mexico tariff plan

Trump's tariffs could hurt Texas, U.S. economies as much as Mexico's, border leaders and analysts say

The threat by the president comes after Mexico recently became the United States' largest trading partner — it has been Texas’ top trade partner for several years. Through March, more than $150.58 billion in two-way trade passed through the countries’ ports: The U.S. exported $63.95 billion worth of goods and imported $86.63 billion worth of goods from Mexico. Texas’ ports at Laredo and El Paso are the the two busiest on the border, with $55.8 and $18.6 billion passing through those regions, respectively.

“[We] strongly opposes President Trump's threat to impose unilateral tariffs on Mexican imports. Our analysis suggests the tariffs may not rest on firm constitutional or legal ground, and probably violate international agreements including the North American Free Trade Agreement and those underlying the World Trade Organization,” said Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz, who serves as chairman of the Texas Border Coalition, a group of elected officials and private sector leaders that advocates for more resources at the nation’s land ports.

U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Laredo, said the announcement could negatively impact ongoing negotiations between the United States, Mexico and Canada over the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, a trade pact seen by some lawmakers and economists as a much-needed improvement to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement.

“The President’s threat to impose tariffs on Mexico is a dangerous mistake that will have significant consequences to our economy,” he said. “To properly address the crisis at the southern border, we need to invest in our ports of entry, including increasing personnel, improving infrastructure, and advancing technology.”

"I've previously stated my opposition to tariffs due to the harm it would inflict on the Texas economy, and I remain opposed today," (Texas Gov) Abbott said. "Nevertheless, the President is trying to address this emergency. Now, Congress must do its job and start passing laws to fix our broken immigration system."

Ted Cruz characterizing the mood:
“Deep concern and resistance. I will yield to nobody in passion and seriousness and commitment to securing the border, but there’s no reason for Texas farmers and ranchers and manufacturers and small businesses to pay the price of massive new taxes.”

Senate Agriculture Chairman Pat Roberts of Kansas called the tariffs “extremely counterproductive”.
Colorado Senator Cory Gardner said they are “a bad idea, plain and simple.”
Texas Senator John Cornyn said that any legislation curbing Trump’s powers would be difficult given his veto power. “The challenges legislatively on this are obvious,” Cornyn said. “The president of the United States is going to have a say, so the best way forward is dialogue.”
Alabama Senator Doug Jones:
“We’ve already been hurt by the Chinese retaliatory tariffs, our farmers are hurting, people are scared to death in the automobile industry with threatened automobile tariffs. Mexico is the third largest trading partner with Alabama. After NAFTA, we have adapted so well with our manufacturing. It will be a huge burden on the Alabama taxpayer, the American taxpayer. Mexico is not going to pay for these tariffs.”
 
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A few good articles:

Migrants fearful after hundreds arrested in Mexico raid (April 23, 2019)

A look at what Mexico has done to limit the tide of migrants (May 31, 2019)

San Diego immigration court ‘overwhelmed’ by Remain In Mexico cases (May 31, 2019)

Mexico Cracks Down on Migrants, After Pressure From Trump to Act (June 3, 2019)

Quick Takeaways:
Prior to Trump tariff threat, Mexico under a "migrant friendly" new President seemed to be doing much more to turn migrants away - at their southern border. Deportations were higher than under the previous President. Raids at southern border housing were carried out while migrants waited for permissions to travel through Mexico. Work visas in Mexico for migrants is way up. Mexico is on track to receive about 60,000 asylum applications this year, about double the number last year and those migrants remain at the southern border for processing which is slow. Shelters are full at their northern border with Mexico resources strained especially subsequent to the Remain in Mexico judicial decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Shelters have time limits with migrants having to move from shelter to shelter, possibly cutting their ability to appear at immigration court. Having an accurate address on file is key to show that immigrants were given proper notice of their court hearings. Flying those migrants who cannot be deported to places like San Diego has overwhelmed those courts. Proof of notice is a crucial part of a judge’s decision to proceed “in absentia” and order a person deported if he or she doesn’t show up for a hearing. Migrants sent back to Mexico often don't know where they will be staying with courts tasked with ensuring the persons have right to have asylum cases heard.

I would expect Mexico will continue to limit migrations and that if should conditions in immigration courts to continue, the Remain in Mexico policy would be challenged in court. Should the Remain in Mexico policies be revoked, conditions in U.S. camps worsen with subsequent increasing of processing of migrants to other parts of the U.S. What might stabilize the situation would be U.S. funding to establish large migrant camps in Mexico with more migrants accepting work visas there. Of course, work opportunities in Mexico are dependent on whether tariffs are instituted with corresponding decrease in Mexican commerce to the U.S. Trump wants more money in emergency spending for immigrants in detention that they are responsible for such as unaccompanied minors. Congress could get prickly and limit that spending while lowering the amount of beds, which is one issue that came disrupted shutdown negotiations. That may lead to more "catch and release" of migrants.
 
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For undocumented Arizona high school grad, Yale is more affordable than ASU (AzCentral, a USA Today paper)
First paragraphs:
Aranzazu Soto earned a perfect grade-point average from Xavier College Preparatory, an exclusive private high school in Phoenix where she graduated in May.

She’s the kind of student a university would love to have: driven, sharp, involved in her community.

But the 18-year-old is leaving Arizona soon. She's going to Yale University, one of the country’s premier higher education institutions. It will be more affordable for her than any public university in the Grand Canyon State.

Soto is undocumented, one of thousands of Arizona students without legal immigration status who have spent most of their lives here and will graduate from an Arizona high school.

Undocumented students face more barriers to college access than peers who qualify for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, a temporary fix that allowed some undocumented youth protection from deportation.

In Arizona, undocumented students can't get driver's licenses or work permits. And they can't qualify for the less expensive tuition rate at Arizona's three state universities that's available to DACA students.

While the plight of DACA students has received significant public attention in recent years, undocumented students typically receive less exposure in debates on immigration reform.

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Each year, about 2,000 unauthorized immigrants graduate from Arizona high schools, the tenth-most in the country, according to a report released in May by the Migration Policy Institute. Nationwide, about 98,000 unauthorized immigrants graduate from high school in the U.S. annually, the institute estimated.

New Mexico Sues Trump Administration for Dumping Asylum-Seekers in Border Towns (legal reader)

First paragraphs:
New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham suggests the administration’s obsession with immigration is costing small towns big money.

New Mexico is suing the Trump administration, saying its rapid-fire release of migrants along the border is illegal and indiscriminate.

The suit, reports KVIA, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of New Mexico on Monday. It seeks to end the “indiscriminate practice of releasing immigrants in communities in the state’s borderland area.” According to New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, the policy violates Washington’s own “safe release” directives.

Under “safe release,” KVIA writes, individual asylum-seekers may be provided assistance in reaching their intended, final destinations before a case is fully processed.

But the complaint says that “the sudden and unlawful abandonment of this policy was done without notice or opportunity for input by affected jurisdictions.”

But safe release was cut short in 2018, prompted by the Trump administration’s construal of Central American migrant caravans as crises. Gov. Grisham has since characterized the policy shift as a “derogation of duty,” prompted by the president and carried out by high-ranking federal officials.
 
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This has been reported on for a while occasioning the Congressional visit and much discussion by Congressional members during the recent emergency funding for HHS.

No toothbrushes or showers, kids coughing all night: Migrants describe conditions inside border facilities

MCALLEN — They don’t shower or brush their teeth for days on end. They watch their sick kids cough and cry through the night. And some of them brave toilets so foul, one migrant said, that kids can’t help but throw up inside of them.

These are some of the descriptions provided during interviews this week with more than a dozen migrants held by U.S. border officials and then released to a Catholic shelter in the Rio Grande Valley, ground zero in the unprecedented surge of immigrant families crossing the southern border.

“They don’t have the humanitarian conditions for people to be there,” said Gary, a 33-year-old migrant from Siguatepeque, Honduras, who would only give his first name. “There were more than 200 of us in a single cage — seated on the floor, standing, however we could fit.” He said the stench inside overflowing toilets was so bad it made him gag and caused children to vomit.

“The bathrooms are full, they aren’t cleaning them regularly,” he said....

Federal judge: Let doctors into child migrant detention centers, quickly

A federal judge has ordered US Customs and Border Protection to permit health experts into detention facilities holding migrant children to ensure they're "safe and sanitary" and assess the children's medical needs.

The order encompasses all facilities in the CBP's El Paso and Rio Grande Valley sectors, which are the subject of a lawsuit.

Last week, lawyers asked US District Judge Dolly Gee to hold President Donald Trump's administration in contempt and order immediate improvements at the facilities. The lawyers are part of a team of doctors and advocates that warned last week of what they said were major health and hygiene problems at Customs and Border Protection facilities in Texas following visits to the facilities.

"Children are held for weeks in deplorable conditions, without access to soap, clean water, showers, clean clothing, toilets, toothbrushes, adequate nutrition or adequate sleep. The children, including infants and expectant mothers, are dirty, cold, hungry and sleep-deprived," the court filing said.
 
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At a Mexican safe house, migrants risk violence as they wait in the shadows
A couple in Ciudad Juárez has opened their home to shelter Central American migrants hoping to obtain asylum in the U.S. And the migrants risk their safety every time they leave the house. (Texas Tribune)

CIUDAD JUAREZ, MEXICO — As the highway stretches farther away from the United States, the vast Chihuahuan desert appears to swallow the outskirts of this border city. In one of the sparse neighborhoods built to house workers from the city’s massive factories, known as maquilas in Spanish, mangy dogs scoured for food around houses marred by broken windows and graffiti — and Oscar, a migrant from Honduras, recounted the second-worst beating of his life.

“When I was going to apply for asylum [last month], they beat me up,” the 30-year old Honduran said from a two-bedroom house where as many as eight people live. Oscar, who asked that his last name not be revealed, said the attackers asked if he was from Honduras, and when he said yes, they pounced. He showed scars on his forehead where his face was cracked open and lifted his lip to show where most of his teeth had been before the assault.

Oscar said he fled Honduras with his wife and three children because of something even worse. He lifted his shirt to show the scars from more than a dozen staples he needed after he was shot by gang members in his home country and nearly killed. The family arrived a few months ago and now lives in a small house owned by the son of a sympathetic Ciudad Juárez resident who is also risking her safety by sheltering as many migrants as she can.

“I’m scared to go to work,” he added. But he still goes to his job at a nearby construction site, where he gets paid under the table.
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Hundreds of US returnees dumped in Mexico’s Monterrey (AP)

MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) — The bus carrying dozens of Central Americans from the Texas border arrived in this northern Mexican city late at night and pulled up next to the station. Men and women disembarked with children in their arms or staggering sleepily by their sides, looked around fearfully and wondered what to do.

They had thought they were being taken to a shelter where they could live, look for work and go to school. Instead they found themselves in a bustling metropolis of over 4 million, dropped off on a street across from sleazy nightclubs and cabarets with signs advertising for “dancers.”

The Associated Press witnessed multiple such busloads in recent days carrying at least 450 Hondurans, Guatemalans and Salvadorans from Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas, to Monterrey, where they are left to fend for themselves with no support on housing, work or schooling for children, who appear to make up about half the group.

Mexico has received some 20,000 asylum seekers returned to await U.S. immigration court dates under the program colloquially known as “remain in Mexico.” But there had been no sign of such large-scale moving of people away from the border before now, after the program expanded to Nuevo Laredo in violence- and cartel-plagued Tamaulipas, a state where the U.S. State Department warns against all travel due to kidnappings and other crime.
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What's with the overly dramatic writing to begin all these articles? You're a reporter, not Hemingway
 

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At a Mexican safe house, migrants risk violence as they wait in the shadows
A couple in Ciudad Juárez has opened their home to shelter Central American migrants hoping to obtain asylum in the U.S. And the migrants risk their safety every time they leave the house. (Texas Tribune)

So the same paper (TT) said walls were not needed in El Paso. So which is true. Juarez is too violent for Central Americans, or Juarez is not violent and there's no need for a wall between it and El Paso.

Convenient narrative journalism at its best... This is why folks don't take your sourcing seriously.
 

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Ever been to El Paso?

Immigrant Veterans in the United States

ACamp, want to weigh in on The Wall, previous walls and crime in El Paso?

Trump in thirty months has not built a single mile of new border fencing in previously unfenced area on the southern border. His administration has installed an average 1.7 miles of barrier per month, and none of it in areas that did not previously have some sort of barrier. Only 51 miles of bollard replacement has been built by Trump. A total 205 miles of new and replacement barrier has been funded in the two and a half years since Trump took office. Photo Ops, scare tactics and politics for the base, living largely far away. "Open borders" is the rallying cry.
 
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So the same paper (TT) said walls were not needed in El Paso. So which is true. Juarez is too violent for Central Americans, or Juarez is not violent and there's no need for a wall between it and El Paso.

Convenient narrative journalism at its best... This is why folks don't take your sourcing seriously.

So no comment Legacy? Is it not a fair and relevant question?
 

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Ever been to El Paso?

Immigrant Veterans in the United States

ACamp, want to weigh in on The Wall, previous walls and crime in El Paso?

Trump in thirty months has not built a single mile of new border fencing in previously unfenced area on the southern border. His administration has installed an average 1.7 miles of barrier per month, and none of it in areas that did not previously have some sort of barrier. Only 51 miles of bollard replacement has been built by Trump. A total 205 miles of new and replacement barrier has been funded in the two and a half years since Trump took office. Photo Ops, scare tactics and politics for the base, living largely far away. "Open borders" is the rallying cry.

Breaking.... (breaking the nutz of the nutty 9th)

Supreme Court paves way for Trump administration to use military funds for border wall
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/su...tration-to-use-military-funds-for-border-wall

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow! Big VICTORY on the Wall. The United States Supreme Court overturns lower court injunction, allows Southern Border Wall to proceed. Big WIN for Border Security and the Rule of Law!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1154883345546928128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Supreme Court sided with the Trump administration on Friday in lifting a freeze backed by a lower court that had halted plans to use $2.5 billion in Pentagon funds for border wall construction.

The decision, which split the bench along ideological lines, allows the administration to move ahead with plans to use military funds to replace existing fencing in California, Arizona and New Mexico.

The conservative justices on the court ruled in favor of the administration. Liberal justices Elena Kagan, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented. And Justice Stephen Breyer issued a split opinion, agreeing in part with both sides.

The president celebrated the ruling on Twitter: "Wow! Big VICTORY on the Wall. The United States Supreme Court overturns lower court injunction, allows Southern Border Wall to proceed. Big WIN for Border Security and the Rule of Law!"

"We are pleased that the Supreme Court recognized that the lower courts should not have halted construction of walls on the southern border," Justice Department spokesperson Alexei Woltornist said in a statement. "We will continue to vigorously defend the Administration’s efforts to protect our Nation."

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which opposes the funding for the wall, vowed to keep fighting.

“This is not over,” said Dror Ladin, a staff attorney with the ACLU’s National Security Project. “We will be asking the federal appeals court to expedite the ongoing appeals proceeding to halt the irreversible and imminent damage from Trump's border wall. Border communities, the environment, and our Constitution’s separation of powers will be permanently harmed should Trump get away with pillaging military funds for a xenophobic border wall Congress denied.”

The ruling means the Trump administration can tap the funds and begin work covered by four contracts it has awarded.

A trial court initially froze the funds in May and an appeals court kept that freeze in place earlier this month. The Trump administration asked the Supreme Court to take up the issue.

Earlier this month, a divided three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco agreed with a lower-court ruling that prevented the government from tapping Defense Department counterdrug money to build high-priority sections of the planned wall in the three aforementioned states.

At stake is billions of dollars in funding that would allow Trump to make progress on a major 2016 campaign promise heading into his race for a second term.

Trump declared a national emergency after losing a funding fight with the Democrat-led House that resulted in a 35-day government shutdown. Congress agreed to spend nearly $1.4 billion on barriers in Texas' Rio Grande Valley, the busiest corridor for illegal crossings, an amount well below the $5.7 billion the president had sought.

Trump grudgingly accepted the money but declared the emergency in order to tap up to $8.1 billion for wall construction. That amount includes $3.6 billion from military construction funds, $2.5 billion from Defense Department counterdrug activities and $600 million from the Treasury Department's asset forfeiture fund.
 

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Immigrants showing up for Court hearings

Immigrants showing up for Court hearings

The vast majority of immigrants who cross the southern border show up for their court hearings. The Trump Administration has repeatedly falsely claimed that only 3 percent of asylum seekers and 2 percent of immigrants attend immigration court. That is in support of their narrative of the results of "catch and release". Trump: "When we release the people, they never come back to the judge, anyway — they're gone". This cannot even be kindly considered a distortion of the truth.

Based on DOJ statistics over the last five available years, around 60 to 75 percent of non-detained migrants have attended their immigration court. Detained immigrants, of course, have 100% rate. Of those individuals seeking asylum, those released from detention claiming asylum, families with children seeking asylum, those with legal representation and those who were under Family Case Management Program attended their court hearings 92-100% of the time depending on the group. The Case Management program was discontinued by Trump.

Alternatives to detention can save more than $1.44 billion for taxpayers: where one family detention bed costs $298 per day, alternatives typically cost between $.70 and $17 a day.

Looking at stats from 2001-16, one study of official records showed:

Of 13,037 families released from detention, 11,212, or 86%, showed up to all of their hearings; the 1,825 who didn't were ordered to be deported

When researchers looked at only cases where a judge had issued a decision, 6,587 families, they found that the court appearance rate was 72%, overall, but went up to 92% for asylum applicants. That percentage rose to 94% if the family had filed an asylum application and had an attorney.

Other studies of families who've been released under various ICE programs, which include ankle monitors, cash bonds, and caseworkers, also show a high rate of attendance at court hearings.

An analysis from the Cato Institute, a DC-based libertarian think tank, found that for people being monitored electronically, appearance rates at immigration courts were 99.6% in 2012, the last year with reliable data. The Family Case Management Program, though expensive at $18,000 per immigrant, had a 100% court appearance rate. The Trump administration killed the program in mid-2017.

The annual costs to the taxpayer for detaining immigrants is substantial ranging from $139 a day for an adult at established facilities according to ICE, for a family $319/day according to DHS, and at new tent facilities $775/day according to HHS.

One would expect that attendance rates for court hearings may well fall with the metering in the new Remain in Mexico policy. In Mexico, due to the delay in court proceedings due to the mass of immigrants, they often are moved from lodgings, accept work in Mexico or give up. That in addition to the ending of the Case Management program and difficulty in their legal representation keeping in contact with them in Mexico, may well lower overall rates.

Costs of detention may well continue on the same pace since facilities are crowded and beds are full despite Border Patrol quick releasing to nearby states of those determined by CBP as having a high risk of danger in returning to their country burdens state taxpayers but at the lower rate which is not compensated by the federal government.
 
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ICE agents arrest 680 undocumented workers in Mississippi

The raids on Koch Foods were just on their Mississippi plants where they have seven food processing plants with two in Scott County employing 3,200 before a recent expansion. Overall they employ over 14,000. I would expect that their plants in Alabama (4), Illinois, Ohio and Tennessee also get raided. They market their fresh and frozen products internationally under the Koch Foods, Antioch Farms, Preferred Foods and Rogers Royal brand names, as well as other custom and private labels. Their last fiscal report says their revenue is $3.2 Billion. Retailers like ShopRite and Foodtown carry Koch products. ICE has recently also raided a meatpacking plant in eastern Tennessee. The former owner of the Tennessee plant was sentenced to 18 months in prison last month. Koch (pronounced "cook") also provides buffalo wings, chicken strips, and other products, to Wal-Mart; chicken nuggets for Burger King; and also processes nuggets for large supermarket chains including Kroger and Aldi. Each week, the company now processes 12 million chickens and more than 50 million pounds of ready-to-cook chicken. Koch Foods also produces more than 700,000 tons of poultry feed a year.
 
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The vast majority of immigrants who cross the southern border show up for their court hearings. The Trump Administration has repeatedly falsely claimed that only 3 percent of asylum seekers and 2 percent of immigrants attend immigration court. That is in support of their narrative of the results of "catch and release". Trump: "When we release the people, they never come back to the judge, anyway — they're gone". This cannot even be kindly considered a distortion of the truth.

Based on DOJ statistics over the last five available years, around 60 to 75 percent of non-detained migrants have attended their immigration court. Detained immigrants, of course, have 100% rate. Of those individuals seeking asylum, those released from detention claiming asylum, families with children seeking asylum, those with legal representation and those who were under Family Case Management Program attended their court hearings 92-100% of the time depending on the group. The Case Management program was discontinued by Trump.

Alternatives to detention can save more than $1.44 billion for taxpayers: where one family detention bed costs $298 per day, alternatives typically cost between $.70 and $17 a day.

Looking at stats from 2001-16, one study of official records showed:



The annual costs to the taxpayer for detaining immigrants is substantial ranging from $139 a day for an adult at established facilities according to ICE, for a family $319/day according to DHS, and at new tent facilities $775/day according to HHS.

One would expect that attendance rates for court hearings may well fall with the metering in the new Remain in Mexico policy. In Mexico, due to the delay in court proceedings due to the mass of immigrants, they often are moved from lodgings, accept work in Mexico or give up. That in addition to the ending of the Case Management program and difficulty in their legal representation keeping in contact with them in Mexico, may well lower overall rates.

Costs of detention may well continue on the same pace since facilities are crowded and beds are full despite Border Patrol quick releasing to nearby states of those determined by CBP as having a high risk of danger in returning to their country burdens state taxpayers but at the lower rate which is not compensated by the federal government.

What's the cost to simply put them back on a bus and drop them off at the border?

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ICE agents arrest 680 undocumented workers in Mississippi

The raids on Koch Foods were just on their Mississippi plants where they have seven food processing plants with two in Scott County employing 3,200 before a recent expansion. Overall they employ over 14,000. I would expect that their plants in Alabama (4), Illinois, Ohio and Tennessee also get raided. They market their fresh and frozen products internationally under the Koch Foods, Antioch Farms, Preferred Foods and Rogers Royal brand names, as well as other custom and private labels. Their last fiscal report says their revenue is $3.2 Billion. Retailers like ShopRite and Foodtown carry Koch products. ICE has recently also raided a meatpacking plant in eastern Tennessee. The former owner of the Tennessee plant was sentenced to 18 months in prison last month. Koch (pronounced "cook") also provides buffalo wings, chicken strips, and other products, to Wal-Mart; chicken nuggets for Burger King; and also processes nuggets for large supermarket chains including Kroger and Aldi. Each week, the company now processes 12 million chickens and more than 50 million pounds of ready-to-cook chicken. Koch Foods also produces more than 700,000 tons of poultry feed a year.

Koch Foods should get levied a very hefty fine for hiring them.
 

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'Dehumanizing': Jackson mayor slams ICE raids, asks churches to become safe havens (Clarion Ledger, part of the USA Today network)

The mayor of Jackson is calling on churches in the city to provide safe havens for the immigrant community in light of federal raids on several Mississippi processing plants.

Mayor Chokwe Antar Lumumba in a statement called the U.S. immigration raids Wednesday "dehumanizing and ineffective."

The mayor then called on "faith institutions" in the community to become sanctuaries for "our immigrant neighbors."

Imagine the most populous city in MS, making up one-fifth of the state's population, run by a proud American with his name. His father, Chokwe Lumumba, did serve as Jackson's mayor briefly before his death in 2014. Jackson is heavily Democratic, but Lumumba must be a socialist since he supported Bernie. Creeping socialism with MSM trumpeting this news comes to Mississippi.
 
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'Dehumanizing': Jackson mayor slams ICE raids, asks churches to become safe havens (Clarion Ledger, part of the USA Today network)



Imagine the most populous city in MS, making up one-fifth of the state's population, run by a proud American with his name. His father, Chokwe Lumumba, did serve as Jackson's mayor briefly before his death in 2014. Jackson is heavily Democratic, but Lumumba must be a socialist since he supported Bernie. Creeping socialism with MSM trumpeting this news comes to Mississippi.

I'm having trouble following here. Are you saying it's a surprise that a deep south city has a mayor with an "ethnic" sounding name?

I wikipedia'd him. Appears his dad changed his name after joining a black nationalist organization that called for an independent nation in the southeastern US for black people. His name was Edwin Taliaferro. I don't know where the mayor stands on the whole black nationalist movement, would hate to attribute the weirdness of the father on to son. Just a bizarre family story I guess.
 

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I'm having trouble following here. Are you saying it's a surprise that a deep south city has a mayor with an "ethnic" sounding name?

I wikipedia'd him. Appears his dad changed his name after joining a black nationalist organization that called for an independent nation in the southeastern US for black people. His name was Edwin Taliaferro. I don't know where the mayor stands on the whole black nationalist movement, would hate to attribute the weirdness of the father on to son. Just a bizarre family story I guess.

The association of his name as the mayor of Jackson struck me. And that he worked for Bernie. Admittedly, I knew nothing about him. In case this has more info than you have read - Is This the Most Radical Mayor in America?
Still, it's all about fulfilling your promises, fixing problems, attracting businesses and improving the lives of constituents. If so and he has state-wide appeal, seeing Lumumba run against Cindy Hyde-Smith for the Senate in 2021 would be landmark.

Another Bernie supporter is Ro Khanna who represents the Congressional District 17, CA - the third richest district in the U.S.where the Median household income is $124,131, with 3% Black, 22% White and 55% Asian. Quite a different constituency. (The 2nd Congressional district of Miss, encompassing Jackson, has a medan household income of $35,842.) Word is Khanna would be in line for Secr. of Commerce in a Sanders Admin.
 
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'Dehumanizing': Jackson mayor slams ICE raids, asks churches to become safe havens (Clarion Ledger, part of the USA Today network)



Imagine the most populous city in MS, making up one-fifth of the state's population, run by a proud American with his name. His father, Chokwe Lumumba, did serve as Jackson's mayor briefly before his death in 2014. Jackson is heavily Democratic, but Lumumba must be a socialist since he supported Bernie. Creeping socialism with MSM trumpeting this news comes to Mississippi.

The mayor should be happy as Koch Foods will be holding a job fair to hire his "legal" constituents.

Koch Foods announced on Facebook that the company will host a job fair on Monday after many of its workers at its two Mississippi plants were swept up in an immigration raid Wednesday.

The job fair is scheduled from 9 a.m. until 1 p.m. at the WIN Job Center in Forest. Applicants will be required to provide two forms of valid identification when applying, the announcement indicated.




https://www.clarionledger.com/story...och-foods-holding-job-fair-monday/1964800001/
 
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