Idiot Recruits trying to Charge for Interviews

[IrishLax]

Even better? Asking for the money through PayPal, where there would be a paper trail.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">from now on if you want a interview from me, I'm charging $15 an interview. (prices may vary depending on the questions)</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634425349762367488">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">preferably Cash. Western Union and PayPal are accepted as well.</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634426571965730817">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">from now on if you want a interview from me, I'm charging $15 an interview. (prices may vary depending on the questions) word from <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN">@KDSZN</a></p>— ₩ARRIORSZN™ (@CHECK_UP_) <a href="https://twitter.com/CHECK_UP_/status/634427258921484288">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/CHECK_UP_">@CHECK_UP_</a> we might as well make profit off of OUR product</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634426941299367936">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

Any NCAA precedent for this?

 

[IrishLax]

Any NCAA precedent for this?

This is, obviously, 100% against NCAA rules.

 

[Irish2155]

This is, obviously, 100% against NCAA rules.

Go ahead CFB player, break the rules for $15 (depending on questions)...then pay the consequences from the NC2A. LOL

 

[wizards8507]

This is, obviously, 100% against NCAA rules.

It certainly appears that way on its face, but are we jumping to conclusions in assuming so? NCAA only has jurisdiction over its member institutions. Telling a kid he can't charge $15 for an interview from an independent media outlet is akin to the NCAA trying to regulate his summer job at McDonald's. The universities have nothing to do with this.

 

[NDRock]

Seems like he's joking to me.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Even better? Asking for the money through PayPal, where there would be a paper trail.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">from now on if you want a interview from me, I'm charging $15 an interview. (prices may vary depending on the questions)</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634425349762367488">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">preferably Cash. Western Union and PayPal are accepted as well.</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634426571965730817">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">from now on if you want a interview from me, I'm charging $15 an interview. (prices may vary depending on the questions) word from <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN">@KDSZN</a></p>— ₩ARRIORSZN™ (@CHECK_UP_) <a href="https://twitter.com/CHECK_UP_/status/634427258921484288">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/CHECK_UP_">@CHECK_UP_</a> we might as well make profit off of OUR product</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634426941299367936">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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WHAAAAAAAAAT? I hope this kid is joking, otherwise that's a level on idiocy that I can't even begin to comprehend.

 

[irishfan]

Thought this was a HS recruit at first....reminded me of Bryce Brown.

 

[IrishLax]

It certainly appears that way on its face, but are we jumping to conclusions in assuming so? NCAA only has jurisdiction over its member institutions. Telling a kid he can't charge $15 for an interview from an independent media outlet is akin to the NCAA trying to regulate his summer job at McDonald's. The universities have nothing to do with this.

Man, you really need to learn the NCAA rules.

NCAA student athletes are not allowed to profit off their athletic abilities, period. They can't take endorsements, they can't take money for autographs, they can't take money for interviews. The affiliation of the source does not matter relative to the athlete. Whether it is Nike or Wheaties or 247Sports or sports memorabilia dealer or Jack Swarbick himself cutting the check doesn't matter... amateur eligibility is compromised by getting paid, period. Now, "does it matter to the school" depends on whether the source is affiliated or not. A true 3rd party (like Wheaties or random memorabilia dealer) puts the school in the clear, but anyone classified as a "booster" puts the school in varying degrees of hot water.

In the case of charging $15 an interviews, let's say he made $150 for 10 interviews and got caught. He'd have to 1) pay back the money 2) probably serve a suspension to get his eligibility reinstated. If he repeatedly or egregiously violated the principle of amateurism by profiting off his athletic abilities, then he could permanently forfeit his eligibility entirely.

The exception to what I said above is sports that fall under the Olympic Model, which football does not.

 

[pkt77242]

Man, you really need to learn the NCAA rules.

NCAA student athletes are not allowed to profit off their athletic abilities, period. They can't take endorsements, they can't take money for autographs, they can't take money for interviews. The affiliation of the source does not matter relative to the athlete. Whether it is Nike or Wheaties or 247Sports or sports memorabilia dealer or Jack Swarbick himself cutting the check doesn't matter... amateur eligibility is compromised by getting paid, period. Now, "does it matter to the school" depends on whether the source is affiliated or not. A true 3rd party (like Wheaties or random memorabilia dealer) puts the school in the clear, but anyone classified as a "booster" puts the school in varying degrees of hot water.

In the case of charging $15 an interviews, let's say he made $150 for 10 interviews and got caught. He'd have to 1) pay back the money 2) probably serve a suspension to get his eligibility reinstated. If he repeatedly or egregiously violated the principle of amateurism by profiting off his athletic abilities, then he could permanently forfeit his eligibility entirely.

The exception to what I said above is sports that fall under the Olympic Model, which football does not.

Well said.

 

[wizards8507]

Man, you really need to learn the NCAA rules.

NCAA student athletes are not allowed to profit off their athletic abilities, period. They can't take endorsements, they can't take money for autographs, they can't take money for interviews. The affiliation of the source does not matter relative to the athlete. Whether it is Nike or Wheaties or 247Sports or sports memorabilia dealer or Jack Swarbick himself cutting the check doesn't matter... amateur eligibility is compromised by getting paid, period. Now, "does it matter to the school" depends on whether the source is affiliated or not. A true 3rd party (like Wheaties or random memorabilia dealer) puts the school in the clear, but anyone classified as a "booster" puts the school in varying degrees of hot water.

In the case of charging $15 an interviews, let's say he made $150 for 10 interviews and got caught. He'd have to 1) pay back the money 2) probably serve a suspension to get his eligibility reinstated. If he repeatedly or egregiously violated the principle of amateurism by profiting off his athletic abilities, then he could permanently forfeit his eligibility entirely.

The exception to what I said above is sports that fall under the Olympic Model, which football does not.

Maybe I don't know who this kid is. He's a high school student, right? Meaning he's not, as you said, an "NCAA student athlete." I absolutely understand and agree with everything you said if we were talking about Sheldon Day, but how does it work if the kid is in high school still and has no affiliation with the NCAA?

 

[pkt77242]

Maybe I don't know who this kid is. He's a high school student, right? Meaning he's not, as you said, an "NCAA student athlete." I absolutely understand and agree with everything you said if we were talking about Sheldon Day, but how does it work if the kid is in high school still and has no affiliation with the NCAA?

Yes. If you do it as a high school student you could (and would) lose your college eligibility (basically the punishments that Lax listed) if the NCAA knows about it.

 

[wizards8507]

Yes. If you do it as a high school student you could (and would) lose your college eligibility (basically the punishments that Lax listed) if the NCAA knows about it.

So what he does before he becomes a student athlete in the first place affects his eligibility once he becomes one? Got it.

 

[pkt77242]

So what he does before he becomes a student athlete in the first place affects his eligibility once he becomes one? Got it.

The only person I can think of who got around it was Jeremy Bloom the skier who played football at Colorado.

 

[koonja]

$15? Must be a 3-star.

 

[IrishLax]

Maybe I don't know who this kid is. He's a high school student, right? Meaning he's not, as you said, an "NCAA student athlete." I absolutely understand and agree with everything you said if we were talking about Sheldon Day, but how does it work if the kid is in high school still and has no affiliation with the NCAA?

I thought I explained this clearly, but I guess not. Let's start at the beginning.

Every semester, you have to verify that an athlete is eligible for competition. Eligibility can be compromised in a myriad of ways. One of those ways is profiting off your athletic ability.

So when the kid shows up for college, and they find out he has been profiting off his athletic ability, he's ineligible until that situation is resolved to the satisfaction of the NCAA. Make sense?

There isn't some magic grace period where a kid can take tons of money for being an athlete and then stop taking the money the day before he steps foot on campus and it's like it never happened. Think about that for a second. To be declared eligible, you have to meet all criteria... and being compensated as a "professional" for athletics at any point in your life violates that.

 

[IrishLax]

The only person I can think of who got around it was Jeremy Bloom the skier who played football at Colorado.

Yeah, and that was a battle and a half for Bloom. He actually personally didn't get around the rule, but set a change in rules for future players.

 

[Cali_domer]

$15? Must be a 3-star.

Kelly's wheelhouse

 

[koonja]

Kelly's wheelhouse

RKG

 

[IrishLax]

On what happened with Jeremy Bloom:

After a long fought battle with the NCAA to keep his skiing hopes alive for the 2006 Winter Olympics the NCAA declared him permanently ineligible, cutting short his college football career by two years. He went on to regain his #1 in the world skiing ranking in 2005 and competed for the United States in the 2006 Olympics. Two days after the 2006 Torino Olympics Bloom flew to Indianapolis to compete in the NFL Scouting Combine.

The NCAA has since changed the rules on amateurism so that student-athletes are only ineligible for a sport if they accept money for that sport. Under these rules, Bloom would be ineligible to ski for the Colorado team, but would be eligible to compete in all other sports, including football.

With these guys, if you interviewed them on foreign policy or cooking tips or French cinema they'd be in the clear But you ask them football questions or run it on a site that covers college football and it'd be a no-go. NCAA rules are comical in their complexity.

 

[kmoose]

Maybe I don't know who this kid is. He's a high school student, right? Meaning he's not, as you said, an "NCAA student athlete." I absolutely understand and agree with everything you said if we were talking about Sheldon Day, but how does it work if the kid is in high school still and has no affiliation with the NCAA?

The minute he takes the $15 cash, the NCAA declares him to no longer be an amateur, and he is no longer eligible to compete in NCAA events.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is, obviously, 100% against NCAA rules.

Haha,... the NCAA would be so boss to answer his tweets with a

'... Actually WE would like to interview you about a few things... free of charge.'

 

[Cackalacky]

But what he SHOULD do is take the $15 and not say anything to anyone about taking the money.

 

[#1rish]

Can't wait till he deletes the tweets and says it was all a joke.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/kirstenredding">@kirstenredding</a> not at all, you don't understand how much time it takes</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634441711159259136">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Dude, if you think giving an interview is difficult and need to be paid for doing them, you have another thing coming.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Can't wait till he deletes the tweets and says it was all a joke.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/kirstenredding">@kirstenredding</a> not at all, you don't understand how much time it takes</p>— Casanova (@KDSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/KDSZN/status/634441711159259136">August 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Dude, if you think giving an interview is difficult and need to be paid for doing them, you have another thing coming.

In his defense...lets put it this way. If a kid visits Notre Dame....

That is ISD, Rivals, 247, Scout and South Bend Tribune wanting recap interviews. At a minimum of minutes that is 25 minutes of doing basically the same interview while you are trying to get to the hotel, get on a plane, etc.

Then there will most likely be 2-3 National guys hitting them up.

Over the next few days, other reporters from other schools will be checking in with that player to see how it went, so they have something for their readers.

I dont know exact numbers of sites for other schools, but for kids like Kyle Davis and Nigel Warrior (kids tweeting) i would imagine the Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, etc schools have just as many reporters calling them as Notre Dame.

Add that together, it's a lot of calls.

 

[Luckylucci]

In his defense...lets put it this way. If a kid visits Notre Dame....

That is ISD, Rivals, 247, Scout and South Bend Tribune wanting recap interviews. At a minimum of minutes that is 25 minutes of doing basically the same interview while you are trying to get to the hotel, get on a plane, etc.

Then there will most likely be 2-3 National guys hitting them up.

Over the next few days, other reporters from other schools will be checking in with that player to see how it went, so they have something for their readers.

I dont know exact numbers of sites for other schools, but for kids like Kyle Davis and Nigel Warrior (kids tweeting) i would imagine the Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, etc schools have just as many reporters calling them as Notre Dame.

Add that together, it's a lot of calls.

They don't have to take the calls. If its that big of a nuisance then just request they stop calling. In reality, a rating service is very immaterial to the rest of their life.

 

[IrishLax]

But what he SHOULD do is take the $15 and not say anything to anyone about taking the money.

The advice I sent him on Twitter was literally "delete this tweet, make sure you leave no paper trail."

I don't mind people wetting their beak, I do mind people being idiots about it.

 

[woolybug25]

But what he SHOULD do is take the $15 and not say anything to anyone about taking the money.

"Who are you when nobody is looking"

 

[IrishinSyria]

It certainly appears that way on its face, but are we jumping to conclusions in assuming so? NCAA only has jurisdiction over its member institutions. Telling a kid he can't charge $15 for an interview from an independent media outlet is akin to the NCAA trying to regulate his summer job at McDonald's. The universities have nothing to do with this.

The NCAA does regulate summer jobs at McDonalds.

 

[pumpdog20]

Similar to a foreign kid being ineligible because he played for a professional basketball team overseas. Happened to Iowa State a few years back.