How many more chances does Golson get?

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Exactly. People can say what they want about ASU. In the first half of that game, Golson was careless and it really hurt the team. But NW just wasn't Golson's fault.

Who has said that NW was his fault? That is a complete strawman argument. People are pointing out that over the past 5-6 games he has turned the ball over way too much and that it needs to change. Either he needs to turn it over less or we need to find a QB who won't turn it over.

The NW game was lost by the whole team and coaching staff. Maybe 2-3 players played a good to great game.
 
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I hope BVG takes Golson aside this week and tries to get him on the same page with the defensive alignments, he's been struggling with getting the front 7 in line.

I hope Coach Booker finally teaches Golson how to handle a FG snap. Tired of him dropping the ball on the FG try.

I hope Harry Hiestand teaches Golson how to block because man, the QB has been getting very little help from the OL.

Slow down with the EG kill business. Sure, he's had his fair share of mistakes but to solely blame him is misguided and if you aren't going to blame him yet still want to replace him then you're looking in the wrong spot. Its easier to blame the QB.

The defense let up 43 points to Northwestern.....I repeat, Northwestern.

Everything you said is true, but IMO, Golson is not progressing. Yes, he's under a lot of fire and asked to do a lot, but he can't even open up his own arsenal. I watched 3 games in person (week 2, 4, and 12), and he still cannot look at the middle of the field. It doesn't exist because he cannot make the read or the throws apparently. The learning curve has flat lined IMO, and that's why we're stuck with out routes and bubble screens.

FWIW, I've been the Golson fanboy all year. I'm not sayinig we should change now; I think it's too late. But I think Malik would be progressing nicely and had we started him this year, we'd be better in 2015 that what we will be. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm giving Malik the benefit of the doubt, but he's a smart kid who's tall enough to throw over the middle, and we have a QBs coach. I think he'd be picking up the whole field by now. JT Barret-esque.
 

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The most beloved position on any football team is the backup QB.

I hope BVG takes Golson aside this week and tries to get him on the same page with the defensive alignments, he's been struggling with getting the front 7 in line.

I hope Coach Booker finally teaches Golson how to handle a FG snap. Tired of him dropping the ball on the FG try.

I hope Harry Hiestand teaches Golson how to block because man, the QB has been getting very little help from the OL.

Slow down with the EG kill business. Sure, he's had his fair share of mistakes but to solely blame him is misguided and if you aren't going to blame him yet still want to replace him then you're looking in the wrong spot. Its easier to blame the QB.

The defense let up 43 points to Northwestern.....I repeat, Northwestern.

Strawman much? You obviously haven't read the other threads where BVG is getting torched, we are voting who our next holder should be and some people are ready to get rid of Kelly. I don't think that anyone is saying that Golson is the only problem and to state it that way to make your point is disingenuous. People are saying that Golson is turning the ball over too much and that there might come a time (or even is the time) to see if our back-up can play mostly mistake free. I have heard no one say that the defense is amazing and doesn't need to improve or that our special teams stink.


It is very annoying that anytime anyone questions Golson that there is a contingent of posters who get all up in arms about it. It is ok to question if he is the answer or not.

I really think that this blind defense of Golson stems from going to the title game with him last year and when he was gone last year eveyone bought into the "we would be much better with Golson" argument and the beginning of this year just reinforced that. Now that he is struggling (and he is struggling) some people are too attached to the Golson is our savior model to step back and realistically look at his body of work. Do I think that Golson should start this week, yes, but if he keeps turning it over at this pace then maybe soon it will be time to put Malik in.
 

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Did you ever think that Zaire is not game ready? And Golson gives ND the best chance to win every week? ND is still playing for bowl positions the season is not lost yet.

That would be why I said a set of downs not permanently. Read my post before you assume what it says.
 

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So Dan Marino had 420 TDs and 252 INTs, Brett Favre 508 and 336, John Elway 300 and 226. Everett is posting numbers as good or better than than some of the best PRO QBs ever. 39 TDs and 18 INTs. And you ask how many more chances he should get? I'd ask the OP how much do you know about football?
 

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Everything you said is true, but IMO, Golson is not progressing. Yes, he's under a lot of fire and asked to do a lot, but he can't even open up his own arsenal. I watched 3 games in person (week 2, 4, and 12), and he still cannot look at the middle of the field. It doesn't exist because he cannot make the read or the throws apparently. The learning curve has flat lined IMO, and that's why we're stuck with out routes and bubble screens.

FWIW, I've been the Golson fanboy all year. I'm not sayinig we should change now; I think it's too late. But I think Malik would be progressing nicely and had we started him this year, we'd be better in 2015 that what we will be. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm giving Malik the benefit of the doubt, but he's a smart kid who's tall enough to throw over the middle, and we have a QBs coach. I think he'd be picking up the whole field by now. JT Barret-esque.


Is it Golson or is it coaching? What I fail to see is why people think Malik would be progressing while EG is not. First Golson is being hailed as a Heisman candidate and now people want the backup. If EG was graduating this year then I could see the argument but he will be back as well.

I'm not saying the kid is a saint but he's far better then people give him credit for. Again though, is it EG or is it his coaching? We liked the idea of Matt LaFleur but maybe he's just not that good. It's not like RGIII was tearing it up.
 
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It's not just you, but people have been on a real kick about taking my GENERAL points and then attacking them for not holding up in very specific, literal interpretations.

No, team ranking does not equal how good your coach is 1:1. However, IN GENERAL, a top coach with top talent would tend to have a top team. We have top talent and we do not have a top team. Therefore, I do not believe we have a top coach.

You're missing perhaps the largest variable: experience.

This board circlejerked all September over how great all these freshmen and sophomores have been. Well, now it's November and the youth is showing loud and clear.
 

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So Dan Marino had 420 TDs and 252 INTs, Brett Favre 508 and 336, John Elway 300 and 226. Everett is posting numbers as good or better than than some of the best PRO QBs ever. 39 TDs and 18 INTs. And you ask how many more chances he should get? I'd ask the OP how much do you know about football?



Missing the MOST important stat BobD...Favre & Elway had Championship rings. Out of those 3 QB's you listed above, ask Marino which stat he would rather have!!!

Again, NOT calling for the end of the Golson regime. Just maybe give the kid a break so he can re focus. His stats are getting worse...I go by trends because EG's 2012 #'s don't mean sh!t right now.
 

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35 touchdowns this season from Golson. He is the offense.

He is the Achilles Heel too! He has more fumbles (9) than rushing TD's (7). He has more passing TD's than INT's but that ratio is dwindling every week. The most important stat (WINS) is also dwindling each week... NOT saying he is done forever but he needs to get his MoJo back.

Yes he gets credit for them but some of them we made by the WRS and something EG had no control over.


He shouldn't get credit for every passing TD nor take the blame for every INT. Tipped passes by D-Line + dropped catches by the WR's that land in the defense's hands aren't 100% his fault. But his fumbles are!


an offense that turns the ball over 20+ times; continually puts the defense in horrible situations with picks, and fumbles, which puts the bar of winning games to just out of reach; kinda like the playoff this year, just out of reach



That is why we don't have anything to lose by letting Zaire get some snaps.
 

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I personally am not calling for Golson to simply be sat in order to start Malik. What I am saying though, is that next time he puts the damn ball on the ground, he needs to come to the sideline and reassess the game. He did this with Rees a bunch of times in '12, and he responded well every time. This accomplishes a few things:

1) Let's Golson calm down and collect himself. Things seem to snowball once he makes a mistake. Sitting and watching the game for a drive will allow him to separate himself mentally from the prior mistake.

2) Get Malik experience, real experience, not just some garbage time. It is quite possible that we see Malik as our every week starter one day, and you never know when that day could come. Golson could break his ankle this week, and currently Malik has barely any game experience.

3) Hell... Malik might be really good. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he excelled. He could easily put a spark into the team that we are dearly missing.

That's all i'm saying. What's the worst that could happen? Malik comes in and turns the ball over? Well... hell... that can easily still happen if we keep Golson in the game.
 

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I personally am not calling for Golson to simply be sat in order to start Malik. What I am saying though, is that next time he puts the damn ball on the ground, he needs to come to the sideline and reassess the game. He did this with Rees a bunch of times in '12, and he responded well every time. This accomplishes a few things:

1) Let's Golson calm down and collect himself. Things seem to snowball once he makes a mistake. Sitting and watching the game for a drive will allow him to separate himself mentally from the prior mistake.

2) Get Malik experience, real experience, not just some garbage time. It is quite possible that we see Malik as our every week starter one day, and you never know when that day could come. Golson could break his ankle this week, and currently Malik has barely any game experience.

3) Hell... Malik might be really good. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he excelled. He could easily put a spark into the team that we are dearly missing.

That's all i'm saying. What's the worst that could happen? Malik comes in and turns the ball over? Well... hell... that can easily still happen if we keep Golson in the game.


Couldn't have said it better woolybug25!
 

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I personally am not calling for Golson to simply be sat in order to start Malik. What I am saying though, is that next time he puts the damn ball on the ground, he needs to come to the sideline and reassess the game. He did this with Rees a bunch of times in '12, and he responded well every time. This accomplishes a few things:

1) Let's Golson calm down and collect himself. Things seem to snowball once he makes a mistake. Sitting and watching the game for a drive will allow him to separate himself mentally from the prior mistake.

2) Get Malik experience, real experience, not just some garbage time. It is quite possible that we see Malik as our every week starter one day, and you never know when that day could come. Golson could break his ankle this week, and currently Malik has barely any game experience.

3) Hell... Malik might be really good. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he excelled. He could easily put a spark into the team that we are dearly missing.

That's all i'm saying. What's the worst that could happen? Malik comes in and turns the ball over? Well... hell... that can easily still happen if we keep Golson in the game.

I *strongly* disagree with #1. The only time I've ever seen Golson look flustered is the first half of ASU. Every other time he's made a mistake, he's come back better than ever.

And this is why I'm so opposed to seeing Malik get any meaningful playing time (I would love to see him take the field for a mop-up quarter.) Golson is the beating heart of this offense. The players seem to trust that no matter how bad things are going, he will step up and give them a chance. And so far, he has done just that- Golson has given us a chance to win every game we've played this year. Even against ASU, it took a bobbled snap, a bobbled pass, and a defensive collapse to truly put us away. I would take Golson over several NFL QBs for the second half of a game, never mind college QBs. He's this team's leader, and I don't want to see Kelly do anything to undermine that.
 

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So Dan Marino had 420 TDs and 252 INTs, Brett Favre 508 and 336, John Elway 300 and 226. Everett is posting numbers as good or better than than some of the best PRO QBs ever. 39 TDs and 18 INTs. And you ask how many more chances he should get? I'd ask the OP how much do you know about football?

No reason to post like that. Plus you are showing your age by pulling those stats, most good modern day QBs have at least 2 TDs to every INT. Also Golson fumbles a ton and that needs to be taken into account.

Hell Tom Brady's ratio is 359-134.

Lets look at some good but not great college QBs this year
Cody Kessler 29-3
Bo Wallace 22-8
Jared Goff 30-4
Hutson Mason 16-3
Connor Halliday 32-11

That isn't even going to the top tier QBs like Petty or Mariota.

This year Golson has 35 total touchdowns and 21 total turnovers. That is not a good ratio by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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No reason to post like that. Plus you are showing your age by pulling those stats, most good modern day QBs have at least 2 TDs to every INT. Also Golson fumbles a ton and that needs to be taken into account.

Hell Tom Brady's ratio is 359-134.

Lets look at some good but not great college QBs this year
Cody Kessler 29-3
Bo Wallace 22-8
Jared Goff 30-4
Hutson Mason 16-3
Connor Halliday 32-11

That isn't even going to the top tier QBs like Petty or Mariota.

This year Golson has 35 total touchdowns and 21 total turnovers. That is not a good ratio by any stretch of the imagination.

While I doubt that anyone else's fumble numbers are as high as Golson, you're comparing his TD to INT+Fumble ratio to everyone else's TD-INT ratio.

Not that it matters. The argument's become circular at this point. You either put more weight on ball security and your own assessment of Zaire based on...high school film? or you put more weight on offensive productivity, leadership, track record of winning, and the faith of the football team. I don't know which one is right, but I do know that for Kelly it's a non-question. While I don't mind questioning Kelly every now and then, this isn't a time I'll jump on board.
 
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I *strongly* disagree with #1. The only time I've ever seen Golson look flustered is the first half of ASU. Every other time he's made a mistake, he's come back better than ever.

And this is why I'm so opposed to seeing Malik get any meaningful playing time (I would love to see him take the field for a mop-up quarter.) Golson is the beating heart of this offense. The players seem to trust that no matter how bad things are going, he will step up and give them a chance. And so far, he has done just that- Golson has given us a chance to win every game we've played this year. Even against ASU, it took a bobbled snap, a bobbled pass, and a defensive collapse to truly put us away. I would take Golson over several NFL QBs for the second half of a game, never mind college QBs. He's this team's leader, and I don't want to see Kelly do anything to undermine that.

He is not a leader.
 

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I *strongly* disagree with #1. The only time I've ever seen Golson look flustered is the first half of ASU. Every other time he's made a mistake, he's come back better than ever.

And this is why I'm so opposed to seeing Malik get any meaningful playing time (I would love to see him take the field for a mop-up quarter.) Golson is the beating heart of this offense. The players seem to trust that no matter how bad things are going, he will step up and give them a chance. And so far, he has done just that- Golson has given us a chance to win every game we've played this year. Even against ASU, it took a bobbled snap, a bobbled pass, and a defensive collapse to truly put us away. I would take Golson over several NFL QBs for the second half of a game, never mind college QBs. He's this team's leader, and I don't want to see Kelly do anything to undermine that.

You seem to be having trouble looking at Golson objectively. If you haven't seen his turnovers snowball outside of ASU, then you haven't watched him play much. This year, but especially in '12, he has often looked like a deer in the headlights out there. Kelly himself said that he had to take him out a bunch in '12 simply because his emotions snowball. How can you say that his turnovers don't snowball when he has put the ball on the ground 10 times (lost 7) and thrown 12 picks in ten games?

You also mentioned his QBR is so good, it's 26th in the country and he plays in a pass first spread. That isn't that remarkable, especially when you add the fact that we really haven't played a very difficult schedule this season.

Finally, you act like his big plays are "what kept us in games". Well... his turnovers are what caused us to have to put him in that position. How can you not look at one and completely ignore the other? We wouldn't have to have him make all of the plays he does if he simply quit giving the other team the ball. That isn't a subjective note, that's a fact.
 

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He is not a leader.

Right...I trust you over


Corey Robinson said:
"It turned the game around. We were down and [Golson] pulled us together and said, 'Look, guys, we need to pull together, not for anyone else, for us as a team.' … It really does help having a central, focused leader telling us to come together and fight for each other."

and

Brian Kelly said:
What I’m most pleased with is we got great leadership from Everett this week
 

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While I doubt that anyone else's fumble numbers are as high as Golson, you're comparing his TD to INT+Fumble ratio to everyone else's TD-INT ratio.

Not that it matters. The argument's become circular at this point. You either put more weight on ball security and your own assessment of Zaire based on...high school film? or you put more weight on offensive productivity, leadership, track record of winning, and the faith of the football team. I don't know which one is right, but I do know that for Kelly it's a non-question. While I don't mind questioning Kelly every now and then, this isn't a time I'll jump on board.

I also didn't include the other peoples rushing touchdowns as well.

I never said that Golson should be benched now, but I do think that if he doesn't clean it up either this week or at USC, I wouldn't mind having Zaire start to take some snaps away from Golson. At some point he has to become accountable for his actions, just as Redfield can be benched for bad play or any other player should be able to have to sit for a little bit to think about what they are doing wrong.

Ultimately what I am saying is that if Golson doesn't get his turnovers cleaned up there will be a time to find out if Zaire can do better.
 
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You seem to be having trouble looking at Golson objectively. If you haven't seen his turnovers snowball outside of ASU, then you haven't watched him play much. This year, but especially in '12, he has often looked like a deer in the headlights out there. Kelly himself said that he had to take him out a bunch in '12 simply because his emotions snowball. How can you say that his turnovers don't snowball when he has put the ball on the ground 10 times (lost 7) and thrown 12 picks in ten games?

Obviously, we're working with different definitions of snowball. I agree he's been putting the ball on the ground too much lately. I do not agree with the implications of the word "snowball"- that once he makes a mistake he is likely to make more mistakes in the following series. In fact, I strongly disagree with that. I don't see how '12 is relevant here.


You also mentioned his QBR is so good, it's 26th in the country and he plays in a pass first spread. That isn't that remarkable, especially when you add the fact that we really haven't played a very difficult schedule this season.

26th in the country is not Heisman good, but it's not bad...not even close to bad. Especially when you factor in reliable drops (remember Stanford) and relatively poor O-line play.


Finally, you act like his big plays are "what kept us in games". Well... his turnovers are what caused us to have to put him in that position. How can you not look at one and completely ignore the other?

I'm fairly confident I didn't say his "big plays" are what's kept us in games. I said that this team has had a chance to win every single game with Golson at the helm this year. That accounts for his big, little, and bad plays.

We wouldn't have to have him make all of the plays he does if he simply quit giving the other team the ball. That isn't a subjective note, that's a fact.

It is completely subjective whether or not we would need to get big plays if we could somehow remove Golson's turnovers from the equation, because it relies on the assumption that we would get the same offensive production if they would just go away. Golson's turnovers have been a product of a lot of things this year, but one of the major factors has been his tendency to try to extend plays. It's high risk, high reward.

You can parse the numbers all you want, but at the end of the day there's a subjective judgment to be made. When you take the good and the bad into account, is Golson a net positive or a net negative for this team? I think- and Brian Kelly thinks- that Golson is a net positive. And really, I don't think it's even close. Golson makes this offense run. His ability has disguised (for the most part) really poor play by our O-line and made a mediocre group of receivers look like all stars. The turnovers hurt and if he can clean them up for next year this team is a national championship contender. But only because it has Golson running the show. I truly believe he is what makes this team special. If you don't agree, fine. Like I said, it's subjective. Just know that Kelly also believes it, so barring a complete melt down for the rest of the season, don't expect to see any legitimate challenge to Golson.
 

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Obviously, we're working with different definitions of snowball. I agree he's been putting the ball on the ground too much lately. I do not agree with the implications of the word "snowball"- that once he makes a mistake he is likely to make more mistakes in the following series. In fact, I strongly disagree with that. I don't see how '12 is relevant here.

He has had several multiple TO games, ASU in particular, he completely unraveled. He has had multiple games this season, as well as '12 (history is relevant when talking about what a QB is capable of), where he just couldn't get himself calmed down. That's not even subjective in my opinion.



26th in the country is not Heisman good, but it's not bad...not even close to bad. Especially when you factor in reliable drops (remember Stanford) and relatively poor O-line play.

Oh yes... Stanford.... the game where he threw an interception and later fumbled the ball BOTH IN THE REDZONE. Yeah... that's not snowballing. Sure, his last second heroics won the game, but his turnovers are the reason it was close in the first place. Stanford isn't even a good team.

And 26th in the country in QBR when you play a crap schedule and in a pass first spread is not that good. You were the one that used it as an example of why he has been playing so well, not me.


I'm fairly confident I didn't say his "big plays" are what's kept us in games. I said that this team has had a chance to win every single game with Golson at the helm this year. That accounts for his big, little, and bad plays.

See Stanford. Two costly turnovers in the redzone that not only cost us offensive points, but also kept Stanford in the game until the end. His "big plays" weren't needed in that game unless he coughed up the ball. Same thing against Syracuse, same thing against UNC. His big plays were mandatory to make up for his constant mistakes. This all against bad teams.


It is completely subjective whether or not we would need to get big plays if we could somehow remove Golson's turnovers from the equation, because it relies on the assumption that we would get the same offensive production if they would just go away. Golson's turnovers have been a product of a lot of things this year, but one of the major factors has been his tendency to try to extend plays. It's high risk, high reward.

It's not subjective at all. How can you honestly say that turnovers that led to our opponents scoring are meaningless? It's the one thing every coach in football agrees with. That you cannot win regularly if you lose the turnover battle. These aren't turnovers that our defense ends up bailing us out on. They are pick-6's, they are fumbles that turn into long TD drives for our opponents. They are directly correlated to getting outscored by our opponents.

You can parse the numbers all you want, but at the end of the day there's a subjective judgment to be made. When you take the good and the bad into account, is Golson a net positive or a net negative for this team? I think- and Brian Kelly thinks- that Golson is a net positive. And really, I don't think it's even close. Golson makes this offense run. His ability has disguised (for the most part) really poor play by our O-line and made a mediocre group of receivers look like all stars. The turnovers hurt and if he can clean them up for next year this team is a national championship contender. But only because it has Golson running the show. I truly believe he is what makes this team special. If you don't agree, fine. Like I said, it's subjective. Just know that Kelly also believes it, so barring a complete melt down for the rest of the season, don't expect to see any legitimate challenge to Golson.

You have zero knowledge of whether or not Malik could have a net impact greater than Golson. No one possibly knows that answer, not even BK. We can only possibly know that if he made it onto the field. What we do know, and its an indisputable fact, is that he has not been a net positive in two of our three losses. Both ASU and NW can be directly tied to the mistakes that Golson made on the field. His impact in those games were a negative. The only game his athleticism kept us in was FSU. I'm not convinced that we couldn't have a better record right now with a less talented QB, that simply didn't turn the damn ball over so much.
 

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Wooly, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. We obviously have different opinions. If you're pinning the NU game on Golson, we're miles apart and there isn't anything that's going to close that ground.
 

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Wooly, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. We obviously have different opinions. If you're pinning the NU game on Golson, we're miles apart and there isn't anything that's going to close that ground.

That's fine. I guess we can simply disagree and that's fine. But I do feel that my arguments are based in facts. His turnover numbers are what they are. The losses are what they are.

We can disagree on whether those two are connected. But I think it will get increasingly more difficult to find people to agree with you if this trend continues.
 

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There are two separate questions here:

1. How many more chances should Golson get?
2. How many more chances will Brian Kelly give him?

My answer to #1 is that we should have seen Malik by now. My answer to #2 is that I don't think he'll play a meaningful snap until 2016.

Late to the game, but want to answer.
1) As many as he can until he graduates.
2) See #1.

He's not that bad. Really.
 

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Wooly, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. We obviously have different opinions. If you're pinning the NU game on Golson, we're miles apart and there isn't anything that's going to close that ground.

I just don't get all the slash on Golson, this has had to be an offensive carry of the team this year from the git go. This guys one of the top 5 QB's in the country.Yeh the defense played fairly well thru game 6 but from the beginning Kelly has decided to protect the defense and score points. In my mind it was the right thing to do after the loss of 3 defensive players at seasons start. So I agree with IrshinSyria on all points. Now more defensive losses have happened due to injuries and the defense looks like one of old days under other coaches. Really boys the players on the field last week due to injuries was really not much. Golson just needs to clean up his contact ball possession after that I don't change a thing. Take a hard look at the defense on the field this week, there's not much left to play with. By my count they are down about 7 guys due to academics/coaches choice/ injuries. In the 3 losses they have scored 30-40 points, that should certainly be enough.
 

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I just don't get all the slash on Golson, this has had to be an offensive carry of the team this year from the git go. This guys one of the top 5 QB's in the country.Yeh the defense played fairly well thru game 6 but from the beginning Kelly has decided to protect the defense and score points. In my mind it was the right thing to do after the loss of 3 defensive players at seasons start. So I agree with IrshinSyria on all points. Now more defensive losses have happened due to injuries and the defense looks like one of old days under other coaches. Really boys the players on the field last week due to injuries was really not much. Golson just needs to clean up his contact ball possession after that I don't change a thing. Take a hard look at the defense on the field this week, there's not much left to play with. By my count they are down about 7 guys due to academics/coaches choice/ injuries. In the 3 losses they have scored 30-40 points, that should certainly be enough.

Wow, top 5 in the country? Please pass whatever you are smoking or drinking. Damn.

I hate that people keep saying we scored 30-40 points and that should be enough. When the offense is giving them 10-20 points a game off turnovers the 30-40 doesn't matter as much. Who cares if your offense scores 30 but they give the other team 2 TDs as well. That means if the D gives up 21 points (a very respectable number) of their own you just lost 30-35.
 

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I just don't get all the slash on Golson, this has had to be an offensive carry of the team this year from the git go. This guys one of the top 5 QB's in the country.Yeh the defense played fairly well thru game 6 but from the beginning Kelly has decided to protect the defense and score points. In my mind it was the right thing to do after the loss of 3 defensive players at seasons start. So I agree with IrshinSyria on all points. Now more defensive losses have happened due to injuries and the defense looks like one of old days under other coaches. Really boys the players on the field last week due to injuries was really not much. Golson just needs to clean up his contact ball possession after that I don't change a thing. Take a hard look at the defense on the field this week, there's not much left to play with. By my count they are down about 7 guys due to academics/coaches choice/ injuries. In the 3 losses they have scored 30-40 points, that should certainly be enough.

How in any statistical measure or otherwise, is Golson a top 5 QB? That's simply untrue.

I said it before about the defense. 78 points that have been scored against us this year have come from drives resulting from an offensive turnover. That means our offense has been spotting teams more than a TD per game with turnovers alone. That doesn't even tell you the whole story either, as it's also killed our defense by giving our opponents great field position too.
 

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How in any statistical measure or otherwise, is Golson a top 5 QB? That's simply untrue.

I said it before about the defense. 78 points that have been scored against us this year have come from drives resulting from an offensive turnover. That means our offense has been spotting teams more than a TD per game with turnovers alone. That doesn't even tell you the whole story either, as it's also killed our defense by giving our opponents great field position too.

Which in turn has lead to the starters on defense playing more snaps as a unit which leads to more wear and tear, which leads to injuries and a lack of garbage time reps for the second team to get meaningful snaps in a non high pressure situation which stunts development. It's a crazy negative feedback loop with the problems just compounding as you go. I'm kind of with you on this Wooly.
 
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