How many more chances does Golson get?

[Whiskeyjack]

Wiltfong posted on the Irish247 board that he thinks Golson should be the QB for 2015

I shudder to think of how IE would react if Golson transfers, looks like Russell Wilson as a 5Y, and then gets drafted in an early round.

 

[Luckylucci]

I shudder to think of how IE would react if Golson transfers, looks like Russell Wilson as a 5Y, and then gets drafted in an early round.

Agreed, EG is getting blamed for losses that weren't just his fault. I think people are forgetting what really happened against NW, UL, and USC. Those games weren't his fault or at least not solely. There was plenty of other players responsible for those losses as well. Including an entire Defense that couldn't stop anybody down the stretch.

 

[wizards8507]

I shudder to think of how IE would react if Golson transfers, looks like Russell Wilson as a 5Y, and then gets drafted in an early round.

Don't forget that Notre Dame goes 7-6 with a bowl loss to Houston in that scenario.

 

[Irish#1]

Agreed, EG is getting blamed for losses that weren't just his fault. I think people are forgetting what really happened against NW, UL, and USC. Those games weren't his fault or at least not solely. There was plenty of other players responsible for those losses as well. Including an entire Defense that couldn't stop anybody down the stretch.

I know you post wasn't directed at me, and I agree those losses weren't on him. My point is that he is suited much better for the college game which is more forgiving when it comes to mistakes. The pros eat TO's like candy.

 

[Irishbounty28]

I don't know if this has been brought up throughout this thread, so forgive me if it has. It seemed most of Golson's turnovers were issues with ball security, or getting pressured/hit while throwing. Compare this to Tommy where most of his turnovers seemed to come when he would force something that wasn't there, or try to fit a ball in a window he didn't have the arm for.

Both of these issues can be corrected, but which is easier to correct?

Additionally, does anyone know who was calling the protections throughout the year? Was it Golson, or an olineman? I know in the ASU game some stated that Cam was calling them out. I wonder if the progression in the Bowl game came from and adjustment in who was calling protections and alignments.

 

[connor_in]

Report: Everett Golson drawing heavy transfer interest | CSN Chicago

ESPN's Brett McMurphy reports 24 schools, including six from the SEC, have expressed interest in landing the Irish quarterback as a one-year graduate transfer. Last week, it was reported Golson had reached out to LSU regarding a transfer there, though a cryptic tweet from the quarterback seemed to deny that interest.

Article posted at 10am today 1/12/15

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Agreed, EG is getting blamed for losses that weren't just his fault. I think people are forgetting what really happened against NW, UL, and USC. Those games weren't his fault or at least not solely. There was plenty of other players responsible for those losses as well. Including an entire Defense that couldn't stop anybody down the stretch.

I also can't stop thinking about the ASU game. He brought the team all the way back. then the defense sh*ts the bed and allows an immediate TD. Then the offense is moving again, he throws a perfect pass to Robinson who has the ball go throw his hands, hits his body and pops right up into the defenders hands for a pick 6.

 

[Irish#1]

I don't know if this has been brought up throughout this thread, so forgive me if it has. It seemed most of Golson's turnovers were issues with ball security, or getting pressured/hit while throwing. Compare this to Tommy where most of his turnovers seemed to come when he would force something that wasn't there, or try to fit a ball in a window he didn't have the arm for.

Both of these issues can be corrected, but which is easier to correct?

Additionally, does anyone know who was calling the protections throughout the year? Was it Golson, or an olineman? I know in the ASU game some stated that Cam was calling them out. I wonder if the progression in the Bowl game came from and adjustment in who was calling protections and alignments.

You raise an interesting thought. We complain about having to use timeouts at the strangest times, like the very beginning of the game. I don't think EG is stupid, but I wonder if he struggles in grasping everything?

 

[pkt77242]

I also can't stop thinking about the ASU game. He brought the team all the way back. then the defense sh*ts the bed and allows an immediate TD. Then the offense is moving again, he throws a perfect pass to Robinson who has the ball go throw his hands, hits his body and pops right up into the defenders hands for a pick 6.

To be fair, the main reason that he had to bring the team all the way back is because he shit the bed to start the game.

 

[Luckylucci]

I also can't stop thinking about the ASU game. He brought the team all the way back. then the defense sh*ts the bed and allows an immediate TD. Then the offense is moving again, he throws a perfect pass to Robinson who has the ball go throw his hands, hits his body and pops right up into the defenders hands for a pick 6.

Smith also bobbled a snap on what should have been a made FG. We missed 4FG's over a 3 game span - ASU, NW, and UL. 6 FG's over 4 if you include the Navy game.

 

[Luckylucci]

To be fair, the main reason that he had to bring the team all the way back is because he shit the bed to start the game.

Correct and in my OP I didn't bring up the ASU game because the halftime deficit was largely due to his turnovers. But if we just lose to ASU and USC the demeanor of this offseason is quite a bit different. Which making a few FG's, or getting 1 or 2 timely stops, or a Cam Mcdaniel fumble, we don't lose the games we shouldn't have.

 

[Blaise]

Best case scenario is for EG to come back and compete for the job.... Battle it out in spring but Kelly has to announce a winner at end of spring.. Can't go into fall camp with lockerroom divided

 

[IrishinSyria]

To be fair, the main reason that he had to bring the team all the way back is because he shit the bed to start the game.

Did Golson shit the bed or was the offensive game plan garbage in the first half? The two picks happened when Golson threw away from pressure and D-linemen deflected the ball (also, when have you ever seen a game where two passes get deflected at the line and picked? that just doesn't happen.) Once we adjusted and started throwing into the blitz, we torched them. I have no idea if that was on Golson or the line or Kelly, but it didn't look like he was making a mistake... it looked like he was doing exactly what he'd been told to do.

 

[IrishinSyria]

At best EG has a 3% chance of making an NFL roster given his height, slowness working through progressions (when he does), late release, fumbling, etc.. NFL teams will take guys taller with the same characteristics as Golson's before they take him. Because of his arm strength he should get a UFA invite somewhere, just don't see him making even a practice squad.

I don't know, worst case scenario he could do a decent Russ Wilson impersonation on the practice squad (which is exactly the roll manziel should have in the NFL).

 

[pkt77242]

Did Golson shit the bed or was the offensive game plan garbage in the first half? The two picks happened when Golson threw away from pressure and D-linemen deflected the ball (also, when have you ever seen a game where two passes get deflected at the line and picked? that just doesn't happen.) Once we adjusted and started throwing into the blitz, we torched them. I have no idea if that was on Golson or the line or Kelly, but it didn't look like he was making a mistake... it looked like he was doing exactly what he'd been told to do.

He also had a horrible fumble. The offense looked bad but Golson also looked baffled by their blitzes.

 

[pkt77242]

Correct and in my OP I didn't bring up the ASU game because the halftime deficit was largely due to his turnovers. But if we just lose to ASU and USC the demeanor of this offseason is quite a bit different. Which making a few FG's, or getting 1 or 2 timely stops, or a Cam Mcdaniel fumble, we don't lose the games we shouldn't have.

I completely agree that with a few better holds (and less mental trauma to Brindza) and a few better kicks coupled with Cam holding onto the damn ball that we would view Golson's season differently. I would also add that I would still be extremely disappointed in the amount of turnovers that EG had and that he still hasn't seemed to grasp the mental side of the game yet.

 

[Johannes]

Best case scenario is for EG to come back and compete for the job.... Battle it out in spring but Kelly has to announce a winner at end of spring.. Can't go into fall camp with lockerroom divided

What if there is no clear cut winner at the end of spring and the team goes into fall camp like last year with Golson and Zaire still battling for the starting gig? That seems like a high probability scenario.

If there is no clear decision after spring, Golson is going to face the decision of either sticking with the team that stuck by him through adversity or giving up and finding an easier path to starting. The latter seems very unlikely to me.

 

[IrishinSyria]

He also had a horrible fumble. The offense looked bad but Golson also looked baffled by their blitzes.

Yea, there was something seriously wrong in the first half. The fumble was the old "can't use the ball to keep your balance" play where the entire right side of the line got steamrolled. I just watched the replay and it's amazing to me that Koyack kept playing after that..he got beat then starts walking as he watches him man hit Golson and knock the ball loose.

1Q ASU E. Golson sacked by T. Smallwood for -13 yds,E. Golson fumbled, recovered by ArzSt T. Smallwood,Golson, Everett pass sacked for loss of 13 yards to th - ESPN Video - ESPN

 

[Luckylucci]

I completely agree that with a few better holds (and less mental trauma to Brindza) and a few better kicks coupled with Cam holding onto the damn ball that we would view Golson's season differently. I would also add that I would still be extremely disappointed in the amount of turnovers that EG had and that he still hasn't seemed to grasp the mental side of the game yet.

Absolutely, I am also disappointed in that aspect as well. But there is a significant difference in reaction between disappointment to scapegoat for the whole disaster which is what I think has happened here. Bare in mind, I'm not saying that is your reaction.

 

[tko]

Dayne Golson

 

[Buster Bluth]

Correct and in my OP I didn't bring up the ASU game because the halftime deficit was largely due to his turnovers. But if we just lose to ASU and USC the demeanor of this offseason is quite a bit different. Which making a few FG's, or getting 1 or 2 timely stops, or a Cam Mcdaniel fumble, we don't lose the games we shouldn't have.

That sort stuff is getting unbearable. Two seasons in a row that should have been 10-win seasons.

 

[IRISH in MT]

Absolutely, I am also disappointed in that aspect as well. But there is a significant difference in reaction between disappointment to scapegoat for the whole disaster which is what I think has happened here. Bare in mind, I'm not saying that is your reaction.

I look at it as even IF some of these losses ended in wins, they would have been ugly wins. You are right 100%, winning helps take focus off the turnovers. But, with as many turnovers as EG was committing in the 2nd half of the season, eventually those ugly wins would have started becoming losses anyeay. Bad habits would have caught up to the Irish eventually. It is ok to have 1-2 ugly wins a season but when most of your wins are considered ugly, your not going down the right path.

Not all of the turnovers were his fault but I think 2/3's were. WR's dropping passes into defender's hands is never on the QB. Tipped balls at the line are about 50/50 QB fault. Fumbles caused by blind side sacks are about 50/50 on the QB as well. We all know EG can ball. His confidence is a key driver for him and frankly, it isn't there anymore.

 

[IRISH in MT]

Average practice squad compensation is over $100,000 a year. Rookie minimum is $420,000. There's a lot of incentive to prioritize NFL first, even if your highest aspiration is to sneak into a back-up role after a year or two on a practice squad. At best, ND has about a 10-15% chance of winning a NC next year. How much would you be willing to give up for that shot?

Me personally, I would do whatever it took just to land the backup punting duties on an NFL roster. Make over 6 figures a year, access to the best sports facilities and doctors around, doing something you love, etc.

Who knows what EG's personal goals are though. Does he want a NC, does he want a Heisman, does he want to play QB in the NFL? IF he wants to win a NC, stay at Notre Dame. IF he wants to start every game, win a Heisman, and get drafted in the NFL then maybe he should transfer because splitting time with Malik won't allow him to reach the stats needed.

 

[Luckylucci]

That sort stuff is getting unbearable. Two seasons in a row that should have been 10-win seasons.

Well during Kelly's tenure we've dropped a lot of ball games like this. My point is, its not just on Golson.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Me personally, I would do whatever it took just to land the backup punting duties on an NFL roster. Make over 6 figures a year, access to the best sports facilities and doctors around, doing something you love, etc.

Who knows what EG's personal goals are though. Does he want a NC, does he want a Heisman, does he want to play QB in the NFL? IF he wants to win a NC, stay at Notre Dame. IF he wants to start every game, win a Heisman, and get drafted in the NFL then maybe he should transfer because splitting time with Malik won't allow him to reach the stats needed.

Yea, I think I would do whatever it took to get into the NFL too. He already has his degree, so I don't think he would be quitting on the school if he goes. And if he can pick his school, I'm not sure that ND is even his best chance at a NC. If LSU gets a QB next year, they will be freakishly good.


edit: that being said, it would be the most meaningful for him to stay at ND. He'd be a school legend if he put together a Heisman caliber season next year. The camaraderie and the potential to go down in school history are really the only two good reasons to stay, but those are not small reasons.