How does McNabb trade affect Jimmy's draft position?

[IrishAlum1997]

Sources: Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins reach agreement on Donovan McNabb trade - ESPN

 

[WabashFalcon]

The Buffalo Bills are now singing with utter joy.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

He should turn down the draft invite now so we don't have another Brady Quinn moment.

 

[WabashFalcon]

He should turn down the draft invite now so we don't have another Brady Quinn moment.

There is no way the Bills or Seahawks pass on him. No freaking way.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I thought there was no way Miami passed on Brady.

 

[TDHeysus]

it may be silly....but why would they(WSH) still not draft Clausen? I say McNabb might have 3 good years left....a perfect amount of time to groom a rookie QB into a starting role.

also, hasnt McNAbb been somewhat inconsistant in the recent years? he was hurt..he has been benched...im not a philly fan, so i dont remember all the details. but as NFL/Raider fan (they suck beyond description) I had feelings of McNabb not being as effective as he once was, and only getting older. still got some good years, but he is not the same player as the QB that went to 5 str8 NFC champ games. (implying: he wasnt good enough to get them there when he was at his best...has he got any better since?)

I dont think he is a player to build around anymore; he is a player you bring in to put you over the top when you already have a team in place. WSH is close...they have portis, they have a good defense (on paper anyways). McNabb can come in and shore up the offense for a couple years, while clausen is preparing to take over the world when his turn comes up.

then again, Clausen could just be screwed....

ADDED: what I'm trying say..I dont think McNabb is a long-term solution.

 

[MyBrothersSchool]

Maybe the 'Skins feel Clausen isn't ready to start. He isn't ready, not many qb's out of college are, so this could give him a couple of years to learn from a good mentor.
I'm a Bills fan and I hope he doesn't end up there. Chan Gailey isn't my idea of a head coach. I'd rather see him in Seattle

 

[Praytorian]

I really wouldn't see Shanahan taking him anyway. Does'nt he like a more mobile qb anyway?

 

[TDHeysus]

there are not many rookie QB's that are successful in the nfl. I dont think any team wants Clausen to start right away. its pretty much accepted that a qb needs 2-3 years to be effective, there are exceptions (dan marino, etc). i agree with you that BUF is not a good spot for Clausen; not that its horrible, but there are better situations for him.

 

[TDHeysus]

I really wouldn't see Shanahan taking him anyway. Does'nt he like a more mobile qb anyway?

shanahan wants a pocket passer...elway was mobile in his early years (while dan reeves was coach). Elway could barely run at all in his super bowl winning years. (makng that super bowl run for the first down even more impressive)

shanahan has portis to run the ball....portis flourished under shanahan with denver. he traded him for champ bailey.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's too bad St. Louis isn't into him. That would be perfect. I think Jacksonville would be a great place as well, although I would be against it for Colts reasons.

 

[phork]

Yah, Miami passed on Quinn, who got the better part of that deal?

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Perhaps, the Redshins would still pick him. I don't know. What is the status of Jason Campbell? If traded that would open up a qb spot. Also to consider is the salaries. I don't know how much Campbell and McNabb are making. We obviously do not know how much Jimmy's contract would be. But there is no way they will pay all three.

You are correct about rookie qbs not being very succesful in their first year. A major reason for that is most successful college qb's go to such bad teams. Marino was succesful but the Dolphins were in the Super Bowl the previous year. Manning was good with a bad team, but still threw for an NFL record of interceptions for a season. The year after Manning they got Edgerin James and the year before they got Marvin Harrison, so they were building the team quickly. Many teams don't seem to do this and the qb gets beat up and in three or four years they are done. I almost wish Jimmy would go 20th or so. Unlike Brady though, I wouldn't want to see him picked by one of the same lousy teams that had the first picks. I was really hoping the Redskins would take him because I think Shanahan will rebuild the Redskins very quickly.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm still upset at Clausen and Tate for bolting. Say what you want about stock being high etc etc...they could have really done something this year. Jimmy came to ND to return them do glory, win a nat'l title. Finish the job man-at least give it a shot. I ain't over it...what does it have to do with Jimmy getting drafted, I dunno? I guess deep down if he slips I can think, ha-there so much for stock...

Sorry I've been holding that in for awhile I feel better, if I get blasted for not being 'supportive' so be it.

 

[Steve]

Really don't think the Skins are gonna draft Jimmy now. If their o-line was set, then I could see it, but I can see them taking Okung at 4 if he's there or they trade down and pick up a couple linemen there.

 

[jason_h537]

I just hope the Bills pass on Clausen. I want him to succeed

 

[Riddickulous]

I really wouldn't see Shanahan taking him anyway. Does'nt he like a more mobile qb anyway?

McNabb's mobility is just about dead by now.

 

[TDHeysus]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm still upset at Clausen and Tate for bolting. Say what you want about stock being high etc etc...they could have really done something this year. Jimmy came to ND to return them do glory, win a nat'l title. Finish the job man-at least give it a shot. I ain't over it...what does it have to do with Jimmy getting drafted, I dunno? I guess deep down if he slips I can think, ha-there so much for stock...

Sorry I've been holding that in for awhile I feel better, if I get blasted for not being 'supportive' so be it.

with Weis getting whacked, there was no reason for Clausen to come back....to learn a new system that he will never see or use in the NFL? Tate risked losing some draft position by returning; maybe he would have improved his draft status, but there was bigger risk for his draft status to drop. CLausen might have come back if Weis stayed. but once Weis was shittcanned, you knew Clausen was gone.....and so did the ppl that fired Weis

 

[phork]

with Weis getting whacked, there was no reason for Clausen to come back....to learn a new system that he will never see or use in the NFL? Tate risked losing some draft position by returning; maybe he would have improved his draft status, but there was bigger risk for his draft status to drop. CLausen might have come back if Weis stayed. but once Weis was shittcanned, you knew Clausen was gone.....and so did the ppl that fired Weis

+1. I would have left as well. I don't blame them in the slightest. Clausen did ND a favor by leaving. Not that I don't like Jimmy, I thought he was awesome. But we get a fresh QB learning a new system that is going to be here for a few more years.

 

[Steve]

I really wouldn't see Shanahan taking him anyway. Does'nt he like a more mobile qb anyway?

I think he wants a QB that can roll out and throw on the run. Not a scrambler. Jimmy can actually do that.

 

[chadder20]

JC is never going to be anything but a traveling backup his entire career any way you look at it...so it really doesn't matter what team picks him up...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I think he wants a QB that can roll out and throw on the run. Not a scrambler. Jimmy can actually do that.

You're right, Jimmy can do that.... But there is no way the Skins still take a QB after getting McNabb..

And as others are saying.. I really hope he doesn't got to the Bills. I seriously think I rather see him at the Raiders.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

JC is never going to be anything but a traveling backup his entire career any way you look at it...so it really doesn't matter what team picks him up...

Obviously sarcasm I hope.

 

[irishmarine]

I can see the redskins trading back out of the the fourth pick and if he falls into the deep first round like into the mid twenties then I could see them jumping bck up into the first to grab him. Look at what th packers and eagles did. Let him sit the bench and learn for about two years and when mcnabb leaves or gets old the. Our qb has been in the system for years and there is no falloff. Would love to see the skins do something like that but who knows what'll happen. I didn't see the skins getting mcnabb

 

[The Polish Irishman]

What about the Jags? They need a QB.

 

[chadder20]

Obviously sarcasm I hope.

Not at all, I just think he is going to get ran through in the NFL. He is never going to have the chance to just throw it up to Tate in the corner of the end zone and have him go up and get it. He wont have a 5 yard cushion to throw into either. The speed in the NFL is going to be too much for him to handle. He cant go through his progressions quick enough to throw it when he has to and will be late on most every throw. BQ has the same problem and is proves it every Sunday... Both were good college QB's, but never will amount to anything in the NFL.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Not at all, I just think he is going to get ran through in the NFL. He is never going to have the chance to just throw it up to Tate in the corner of the end zone and have him go up and get it. He wont have a 5 yard cushion to throw into either. The speed in the NFL is going to be too much for him to handle. He cant go through his progressions quick enough to throw it when he has to and will be late on most every throw. BQ has the same problem and is proves it every Sunday... Both were good college QB's, but never will amount to anything in the NFL.

Ever see Brett Favre lean back and launch it downfield hoping someone on his team comes down with it? Happens all the time. Speed too much for him to handle? Dude, he's not playing WR or DB, he's playing quarterback. General consensus is that he's the most NFL ready QB in the draft and time will tell on that. But you can't compare Brady and Jimmy. Brady was in Cleveland. Montana, Marino, and Elway all would have sucked on those teams.

Physically and mentally, Jimmy is as ready as anyone else in the draft. I don't expect him to be a rookie pro bowler, but I expect him to do good things if given weapons.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Not at all, I just think he is going to get ran through in the NFL. He is never going to have the chance to just throw it up to Tate in the corner of the end zone and have him go up and get it. He wont have a 5 yard cushion to throw into either. The speed in the NFL is going to be too much for him to handle. He cant go through his progressions quick enough to throw it when he has to and will be late on most every throw. BQ has the same problem and is proves it every Sunday... Both were good college QB's, but never will amount to anything in the NFL.

Horrible. Do you even watch NFL football? ND football?

1. He might not have Tate to go and get the ball, but he'll have other guys that can. In case you didn't know...the fade pass is very prevalent in the NFL. Too much so IMO, but it's definitely there.

2. So let's say they take away the fade. Clausen also throws the out pattern on the money. The deep-out...the hardest throw in football, he throws on the money. Here's what one scout who charted him said:

Clausen did a fine job on the 13 deep out passes he threw. Eleven of them were on target (on target being defined as landing within the catching frame of the receiver) and seven ended up being completed. He was also 2-for-2 on the comeback route -- which is a close cousin of the deep out -- so he was on the money on 13 out of 15 of the vertical outside routes.

3. He is incredibly accurate, much more so than Brady Quinn, who had his troubles in those areas (see: USC game, 2006). 4 INTs in a pro-style offense against 28 TDs??? That's unreal!

4. Pro-style offense, so he's more pro-ready than any of the other top QBs coming out. He knows how to come from under center, read a defense, and make the throw. None of the other top guys can say that.

5. No 5 yard cushion? Are you serious? Have you seen the (seemingly) prevent defenses in the NFL? Some NFL teams will play bump and run (like teams did early in the season - in which Clausen killed those defenses), and some will play off (like teams did later in the season - and Clausen shredded those defenses too). Clausen had no problems with either of those defenses.

6.

The speed in the NFL is going to be too much for him to handle. He cant go through his progressions quick enough to throw it when he has to and will be late on most every throw.

Where do you come up with this stuff? How are you so certain? Watch the film. You're talking about 2008 Clausen. 2009 Clausen progressed through his reads a lot of the time. That is unless you think Weis drew up plays specifically for Parris, Kamara, and Allen even though he had Tate and Floyd the last few games of the year. Allen, Ragone, and Parris combined for 13 catches vs UCONN. Allen and Kamara combined for 10 vs Pitt. Guys not named Tate and Floyd combined for 18 catches vs Navy. Do you really think Weis designed 18 pass plays for those guys, or do you think Clausen had to go through his progressions?

7. Clausen wouldn't be a 1st round pick if GMs thought he 'were never going to amount to anything.' To deal in such absolutes is short-sighted IMO. I can see why outsiders think he won't be good, but for a ND fan who saw him play all year to deal in such absolutes smacks of someone who actually didn't watch the games or is just trolling. I know you're not a troll, but damn, I can't believe you said all those things with a straight face.

 

[GoldenChild]

I would love to see him as a 49er, since he now has a chance to fall out of the top 10, but we have bigger needs such as o linemen. Plus he probably won't fall pass Seattle, but if he does he will be in Buffalo. Sucks for him. If he is drafted by the Seahawks the Niners gotta face Clausen, Bradford, and Leinart 2 times each. I like SF's chances.

But still poor Jimmy, oh and Colt McCoy had an interview with the redskins the day after McNabb was traded to Washington.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Sorry LA...but I can see him falling to the second round as well....particularly with the signing of McNabb to Wash. Buffalo may be his last hope. St. Louis will take Bradford, Cleveland isn't interested (thank god...Go Broncos) and beyond that, maybe the Steelers or Minnesota take a flyer, but that's a lot of cash to throw around on a position of strength.....Minnesota not so much as Favre will be gone in the next 11-12 years hopefully .