How does McNabb trade affect Jimmy's draft position?

[WabashFalcon]

But it is so damn funny!!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Yeah That's interesting , but who won the game ? You can have all the stats festivals you want, I want wins instead !

Yeah. I agree with El Loco 12 on this one. It seems ND champ teams had no solo records, and more team victories.

Seems latest individual record holders came from less than admirable team accomplishments.

Someone correct me.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Yeah. I agree with El Loco 12 on this one. It seems ND champ teams had no solo records, and more team victories.

Seems latest individual record holders came from less than admirable team accomplishments.

Someone correct me.

Neut, I feel you on the wins thing. But it's a team game, plain and simple. If it was an individual game, Dan Marino would have 10 rings. But it's not.

Your boy Allacco (troll) loves to rip Jimmy b/c of a lack of wins, and cited Matt Ryan's performance vs. VT as the difference between him and Jimmy. He failed to mention the score of that game...14-10. Yes, BC gave up only 10 pts. The defense gave up 259 yds THE ENTIRE GAME. Up until the comeback, Ryan had 0 TDs and 2 INTS and was putrid. JC could NEVER have that type of performance and still be in the game. Can you imagine what JC would have done with a defense that gave up only 10 pts??? Instead of having to basically win the game on offense, he could have actually enjoyed a TEAM win.

What your troll-boy also fails to acknowledge is that BC played VT again that year, and lost 30-16. Good ol' Matt Ryan couldn't lean on his defense that game, threw 2 INTs and didn't lead his team to one single TD. Does that mean he sucks? Obviously not. But to guys like Allacco, it does.

It's really simple Neut...it's a team game. You give JC Bama's defense, and he wins a ton more games. Only trolls and guys who never suited up would rip JC for his performance this year, throwing for 28 TDs against 4 picks ON A FOOT THAT REQUIRED SURGERY. Sadly, Allacco is both those things.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Neut, I feel you on the wins thing. But it's a team game, plain and simple. If it was an individual game, Dan Marino would have 10 rings. But it's not....

Amazing that you would mention the EXACT individual that I mention when I talk about the team game. We are on the same page. I'm sure you know I was a huge Jimmy supporter. I almost got banned defending him during his early days. Good discussion otherwise.

In "real world" discussions with passionate ND fans, I've noticed basically 4 categories. The eternal optimist, the neutral analyst, the "I can't bare to watch but I'll peak and pretend not to care", and the fan so passionate and used to winning that he/she sounds hater style. One of the most passionate fans I know falls into the last category. He is ALL ND. Subscribes to everything. I bet he would get banned on this site. Kinda funny.

 

[Allocco 121975]

Neut, I feel you on the wins thing. But it's a team game, plain and simple. If it was an individual game, Dan Marino would have 10 rings. But it's not.

Your boy Allacco (troll) loves to rip Jimmy b/c of a lack of wins, and cited Matt Ryan's performance vs. VT as the difference between him and Jimmy. He failed to mention the score of that game...14-10. Yes, BC gave up only 10 pts. The defense gave up 259 yds THE ENTIRE GAME. Up until the comeback, Ryan had 0 TDs and 2 INTS and was putrid. JC could NEVER have that type of performance and still be in the game. Can you imagine what JC would have done with a defense that gave up only 10 pts??? Instead of having to basically win the game on offense, he could have actually enjoyed a TEAM win.

What your troll-boy also fails to acknowledge is that BC played VT again that year, and lost 30-16. Good ol' Matt Ryan couldn't lean on his defense that game, threw 2 INTs and didn't lead his team to one single TD. Does that mean he sucks? Obviously not. But to guys like Allacco, it does.



It's really simple Neut...it's a team game. You give JC Bama's defense, and he wins a ton more games. Only trolls and guys who never suited up would rip JC for his performance this year, throwing for 28 TDs against 4 picks ON A FOOT THAT REQUIRED SURGERY. Sadly, Allacco is both those things.

So by your logic ,If Custer had machine guns it would have been an Indian massacre?

So now you want to compare Marino with the Dolphins to Claussen with ND.

Don't know the difference do you? By the way how did Dan Marino do in College?

Well Dan was something like 33 and 3 at one point in his college career. Who were Dan Marino's college recievers?

Did Jimmy ever lead his team to the Sugar Bowl, Gator Bowl or Fiesta Bowl? Oh thats right, Jimmy played against such monsters Syracuse, Connecticut and shall we go on..teams that had such complex and talented defenses. Lets throw it up and see what comes after the catch. How was his red zone performance? I guess that the performance in the "We feel sorry for you Bowl" game is the real Jimmy C?

BC won the game and Ryan did it in the last 2 minutes against the 4 th ranked team in the country. When did Clausen ever do anything like that? Ryan had 2 chances and he cashed in on them . his performance was horrific until the last two minutes. You forget about the interceptions ..he had ? the fumbles he made? I guess that was the defenses fault?

Go ahead and take you 28 TDs and 4 interceptions and wait. Hopefully Buffalo will take Tate and Floyd also, so then you can relive the fantasy.

By the way How much good did the Pro style prepartion ever do for Brady Quinn?

Go ahead and spew some more anger and tick to your Madden explanations .Its just your self loathing for investing so much in a mediocre talent who didn 't lead MY ALMA MATER to the promised land .

Don't you get tired of the overhype and no results for the last 20 years?

 

[NDinL.A.]

So you just continue to spew the same nonsense without any reasoning that anybody who knows the game would see. It's actually pathetic for a grown man who alleges to be a graduate to have such little sense.

Again, for the millionth time...is the QB responsible for the offense AND tackling, shutting down receivers, getting off the field on third down, kicking field goals, other special teams duties, AND coaching? Are you serious?

Again, Jimmy Clausen never had a defense that gave up only 10 points against the 4th rank team in the nation. HE didn't have the luxury to SUCK for 42 minutes of a game, because if he had, his team would've been down 30-0, not 10 to nothing. Witness Ryan's SECOND game vs. VT, when his defense gave up 30 points and Ryan led his team to a measley 9 pts. bit different there, don't you think? (Nevermind, i know you won't answer that.)

BTW, how did the pro-style offense help prepare Peyton Manning for the NFL? Tom Brady? Troy Aikman? Hell, even Mark Sanchez? That's what I thought.

Of course I'm pissed about the last 20 years. But I'm not going to blame the guy who had an All-American season ON A FOOT THAT REQUIRED SURGERY for it. You're insane to blame this past season on Jimmy Clausen, sorry. It simply makes no sense, unless you're a troll, which it's becoming more and more obvious that you are. And yes, I did read your old posts and ever since you joined this forum all you've done is rip on Clausen.

Give him a defense and watch what he would've done. I look forward to reading your next non-sensical rant against ND's top player last year...

 

[kmoose]

And what is the truth? The truth is that Clausen has as much potential as any other QB in this draft.

Does this mean that he is a lock, to have a great NFL career? Of course not. I'm not drinking any Kool-Aid, here. But you seem to be drinking alot of Haterade. That was my only point, in my post............. you said that Clausen didn't play well against ranked teams. Well, he did. And with a toe injury that probably should have been operated on. So putting up solid numbers, against solid defenses, while injured, is a bad thing how, again? You have a point, that Clausen didn't put the team on his shoulders and lead them to a win over a top opponent. I believe that the same thing was said about a guy from Tennessee named Manning. He's not bad, so why is it that you seem to think it is a lock, that Clausen will be bad?

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[kmoose]

Well Dan was something like 33 and 3 at one point in his college career. Who were Dan Marino's college recievers?

Did Jimmy ever lead his team to the Sugar Bowl, Gator Bowl or Fiesta Bowl? Oh thats right, Jimmy played against such monsters Syracuse, Connecticut and shall we go on..teams that had such complex and talented defenses.

I can't tell you who Marino's receivers were. But I can tell you that he played with the likes of:

Hugh Green, Mark May, Rickey Jackson, Russ Grimm, Sam Clancy, Jimbo Covert, and Bill Fralic.


So if you were attempting to make the point that Marino won games in college, all by himself, then I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Allocco 121975]

"Give him a defense and see what he would have done"

Slow down and remember that JC is gone !

Now go put your Todd Marinovich jersey on.

By the way you analysis of a pro offense is right out of Wiki !

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[Allocco 121975]

I can't tell you who Marino's receivers were. But I can tell you that he played with the likes of:

Hugh Green, Mark May, Rickey Jackson, Russ Grimm, Sam Clancy, Jimbo Covert, and Bill Fralic.


So if you were attempting to make the point that Marino won games in college, all by himself, then I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

I am not the one who keeps bringing Marino into it !

 

[kmoose]

I am not the one who keeps bringing Marino into it !

But you attempted to make some kind of argument that Marino won many games without any big time receivers? I don't care who brought him up. You're wrong, to try to make the argument, because Marino DID have many other outstanding players around him(particularly on defense), whose contributions undoubtedly resulted in more wins than Dan would have had, with just average players at their positions.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

El Loco, we get it. You don't like Jimmy. Give it a rest. I thought he was fantastic, but go back and look at some replays of last year's defense. Here's one for you

YouTube - Notre Dame vs Stanford(2009)

and this

YouTube - 2009: Notre Dame vs. Navy (College Football Highlights)

 

[Allocco 121975]

Tim Tebow just went in the first round to Denver.