Head coach possibilities

[gatsby]

I wouldn't blame Weis for any of those turnovers etc. I blame him for a team not knowing how to tackle, block, and those other football basic fundamentals. With solid fundamentals this team is probably undefeated and cruising against teams like Navy.

I agree. I didn't see Saturday's game. I was attending the Colorado / Texas A & M game. The CU team and its coach are similar subjects as is being discussed here. But Hawkins is occasionally able to get the team to play well enough to even beat a heavily favored team like we did Oklahoma a few years ago. Weis has not beaten any significantly favored team as has been discussed. My problem with his team is DEFENSE. No exclusively running team should be able to beat a quality Division 1 team. And this defense is and has been terrible. And Weis is responsible for the defensive coordinator. According to the Denver Post this morning the Irish used the same defense they used last year. They made no adjustments. In fact it quoted the Navy coach as trying to be diplomatic in discussing this travesty. Maybe we don't have quite the players that the SEC studs have, but we do have some quality defensive talent. And they are not well prepared.

And I want to cast a vote for Gruden. I think he would be great at ND. I should add that many I know here think Peterson was the real reason for Boise State's success even when Hawkins was the coach. Sounds like he is a pretty good coach.

 

[Cricker24]

Why Brian Kelly?

Why Brian Kelly?

I know I don't post much at all on here, but I've been an ND fan for over 20 years, and yes, I do remember the 1988 National Championship team. I have an honest question about Brian Kelly. Why is he the guy a lot of people keep mentioning? I know he's doing great work at Cincinnati and before that, at Grand Valley State, but how does he tie into Notre Dame? Is it just because he's doing so well with the Bearcats? I'm not saying I do or don't want him as head coach. I'm just trying to understand why his name is mentioned the most. I've watched a little bit of Cincinnati this season and they do keep winning, but I have some questions about how good they really are. Obviously, they're playing better than ND, but I don't think they could beat any of the top 3 teams, and I think we all agree that ND should be able to contend with those top 3 year in and year out. I also question the offense Cincinnati uses if Kelly came to ND. I now a lot of teams use some variation of the spread offense, but how long would it take to get the proper players at Notre Dame to run it well. If it takes a few years and ND struggles, wouldn't we be in the same situation we are now, people demanding we get another new head coach because we're not in the National Championship hunt every year? Again, I really don't know much about Brian Kelly, but I would really appreciate any information.

I'm still undecided about keeping Weis. I understand both sides, but I want to see how these last 3 games go before committing one way or the other. I could be way off, but I see the loss to Navy as a major reason why Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate decide to stay next year. I think that game raised some questions with NFL scouts about Clausen's ability to finish drives in the redzone. I thought Clausen made some bad decisions and could really benefit from one more year in college. Golden is really fun to watch, but he hasn't done anything in the punt return game and I don't see him as a legitimate #1 receiver in the NFL. He does remind me of Carolina's Steve Smith, but I don't think he's ready yet. Once again, just my opinion.

I appreciate anyone who took the time to read this and please feel free to share your thoughts.

GO IRISH!!!!

Chris

 

[WabashFalcon]

I agree. I didn't see Saturday's game. I was attending the Colorado / Texas A & M game. The CU team and its coach are similar subjects as is being discussed here. But Hawkins is occasionally able to get the team to play well enough to even beat a heavily favored team like we did Oklahoma a few years ago. Weis has not beaten any significantly favored team as has been discussed. My problem with his team is DEFENSE. No exclusively running team should be able to beat a quality Division 1 team. And this defense is and has been terrible. And Weis is responsible for the defensive coordinator. According to the Denver Post this morning the Irish used the same defense they used last year. They made no adjustments. In fact it quoted the Navy coach as trying to be diplomatic in discussing this travesty. Maybe we don't have quite the players that the SEC studs have, but we do have some quality defensive talent. And they are not well prepared.

And I want to cast a vote for Gruden. I think he would be great at ND. I should add that many I know here think Peterson was the real reason for Boise State's success even when Hawkins was the coach. Sounds like he is a pretty good coach.

Then how can you critique that tackling from Saturday?

 

[irishfan]

No exclusively running team should be able to beat a quality Division 1 team.

Watched a Georgia Tech game this year? Triple-option isn't just a gimmick that service acadmies run anymore. I'm just waiting to see what BCS Conference school will be the next one to implement the triple option.

 

[gatsby]

Then how can you critique that tackling from Saturday?

I am going on what others have said here and in the paper, and I have watched this team all year. And my comments didn't specifically critique the tackling. I only repeated what the paper said. Which rang true from what I have seen.

 

[phork]

Watched a Georgia Tech game this year? Triple-option isn't just a gimmick that service acadmies run anymore. I'm just waiting to see what BCS Conference school will be the next one to implement the triple option.

You'll be waiting a long time.

 

[irishfan]

You'll be waiting a long time.

Maybe. It definitely hurts recruiting. Still, it has proven itself very effective.

 

[DCirishfan]

How about that Bobby Bowden guy I hear he might need a new gig, he has tons of experience!

 

[DCirishfan]

Maybe. It definitely hurts recruiting. Still, it has proven itself very effective.

I liked it better when they said our offense was too old school and that it hurt recruiting but we could run the DAMN ball down the other teams throat rather than some fancy dan poodle offense against a team we outweigh on average by 40 lbs a player.


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esteban irishcinco out

 

[irishfan]

I liked it better when they said our offense was too old school and that it hurt recruiting but we could run the DAMN ball down the other teams throat rather than some fancy dan poodle offense against a team we outweigh on average by 40 lbs a player.


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esteban irishcinco out

"fancy dan poodle offense" as in we were down by 2 scores the whole game to a triple-option team and were forced to pass?

 

[fightinirish68]

just because gruden was raised in the general area and his father coached there doesnt mean he would come to nd. he coached at UT for a while and he said hell no to going there to coach. i dont think he would drop to collegiate level. same with bill cowher. just foolish for them to do it

 

[Junkhead]

just because gruden was raised in the general area and his father coached there doesnt mean he would come to nd. he coached at UT for a while and he said hell no to going there to coach. i dont think he would drop to collegiate level. same with bill cowher. just foolish for them to do it

I'm not sure I would want Gruden, I'd rather have an established college coach, but $4 million can change one's mind quickly.

 

[phork]

Get it out of your heads boys, Gruden is not coming here. Neither is Cowher, Holmgren, Walsh, Belichek or Parcells.

 

[mick2]

Get it out of your heads boys, Gruden is not coming here. Neither is Cowher, Holmgren, Walsh, Belichek or Parcells.

Right cuz Charlie isnt getting fired

 

[WabashFalcon]

Head Coach Possibilities:

Charlie Weis.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Right cuz Charlie isnt getting fired

I think there is a reason phork left Brian Kelly off of his list of people not coming here....

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

I know I don't post much at all on here, but I've been an ND fan for over 20 years, and yes, I do remember the 1988 National Championship team. I have an honest question about Brian Kelly. Why is he the guy a lot of people keep mentioning? I know he's doing great work at Cincinnati and before that, at Grand Valley State, but how does he tie into Notre Dame? Is it just because he's doing so well with the Bearcats? I'm not saying I do or don't want him as head coach. I'm just trying to understand why his name is mentioned the most. I've watched a little bit of Cincinnati this season and they do keep winning, but I have some questions about how good they really are. Obviously, they're playing better than ND, but I don't think they could beat any of the top 3 teams, and I think we all agree that ND should be able to contend with those top 3 year in and year out. I also question the offense Cincinnati uses if Kelly came to ND. I now a lot of teams use some variation of the spread offense, but how long would it take to get the proper players at Notre Dame to run it well. If it takes a few years and ND struggles, wouldn't we be in the same situation we are now, people demanding we get another new head coach because we're not in the National Championship hunt every year? Again, I really don't know much about Brian Kelly, but I would really appreciate any information.

IF ND is going to make a change they better get it frickin' right. No more of this grasping at straws SHIT that has happened in the past (O'Leary/Willingham debacle) thinking Urban is in the bag and not getting him etc etc... Most of the suggestions on this board for coaches seem like people reaching at a shot in the dark...

IF ND is going to make a change they better get it frickin' right. No more of this grasping at straws SHIT that has happened in the past (O'Leary/Willingham debacle) thinking Urban is in the bag and not getting him etc etc... Most of the suggestions on this board for coaches seem like people reaching at a shot in the dark...

IF ND is going to make a change they better get it frickin' right. No more of this grasping at straws SHIT that has happened in the past (O'Leary/Willingham debacle) thinking Urban is in the bag and not getting him etc etc... Most of the suggestions on this board for coaches seem like people reaching at a shot in the dark...

IF ND is going to make a change they better get it fricking right. None of this grasping at straws shit like what happened with Willingham and O'Leary- courting Urban Meyer etc...If they don't have the perfect fit they best pass and stick with what they have.

I'm still undecided about keeping Weis. I understand both sides, but I want to see how these last 3 games go before committing one way or the other. I could be way off, but I see the loss to Navy as a major reason why Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate decide to stay next year. I think that game raised some questions with NFL scouts about Clausen's ability to finish drives in the redzone. I thought Clausen made some bad decisions and could really benefit from one more year in college. Golden is really fun to watch, but he hasn't done anything in the punt return game and I don't see him as a legitimate #1 receiver in the NFL. He does remind me of Carolina's Steve Smith, but I don't think he's ready yet. Once again, just my opinion.

I appreciate anyone who took the time to read this and please feel free to share your thoughts.

GO IRISH!!!!

Chris

I agree with the questions about Kelly. Trouble has followed this guy at all stops-this is why he's moved on. Grand Valley was starting to get a bad rep in his last few years-not on the football field but off. At Central one of his players was involved in a murder investigation outside of a local bar-many football players were there when it happened (not sure what ever happened in court). I've also heard some talk about problems at Cinci, with players and violations. I'm not sure Kelly could come to ND and recruit the type of players he is used to recruiting...Anyone else have any other insight on this?!

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

One more thing...

IF ND is going to make a change they better get it frickin' right. No more of this grasping at straws SHIT that has happened in the past (O'Leary/Willingham debacle) thinking Urban is in the bag and not getting him etc etc... Most of the suggestions on this board for coaches seem like people reaching at a shot in the dark...

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

I would be interested to hear how Charlie coaching better could have prevented Jimmy's fumble, or the two missed field goals, or the defense not tackling.....It couldn't have,...

Jimmy's fumble, I have already stated that a lot of fullbacks would have fumbled that ball under the same circumstances. Two missed field goals, those things happen. But the tackling, I disagree, that is coaching. That is coaching, not on game day but throughout the week before the game. I know he is not the defensive coordinator but he is the head coach, has he not noticed this lack of fundamentals in the tackling game. I do every week. I am not talking about someone that is being blocked and gets a hand on the guy but is really out of position to make a tackle. I am talking about the hits and not wrapping up. I am talking about the gang tackling. Basic fundamentals in tackling Hit, wrap, take down! I am talking about attitude. What is it that make some players hit harder than others? Example: Bob Sanders and Troy Palamalu they are not the biggest guys in the NFL but two of the hardest hitters.
Answer, attitude and fundamentals. Both of those are coached and practiced.

 

[schuec]

I agree with the questions about Kelly. Trouble has followed this guy at all stops-this is why he's moved on. Grand Valley was starting to get a bad rep in his last few years-not on the football field but off. At Central one of his players was involved in a murder investigation outside of a local bar-many football players were there when it happened (not sure what ever happened in court). I've also heard some talk about problems at Cinci, with players and violations. I'm not sure Kelly could come to ND and recruit the type of players he is used to recruiting...Anyone else have any other insight on this?!

I am from the Grand Rapids area, and I never heard anything about Brian Kelly getting a bad rep off the field. People think he can be a jerk, if thats what you mean, but who cares if you are a jerk if you win football games. I also went to CMU during Kelly's first year, and As far as the CMU thing goes, I believe those were not players he recruited. Both were Juniors at the time of the investigation.

 

[tko]

Kelly is a jerk off the field? I've heard plently of negative things about Charlie's dealings with people off the field and his arrogance, who cares.

 

[schuec]

That's my point, who cares if he is a jerk off the field.

 

[pani_nasz]

Bad games are acceptable to me. They happen to every team. Players turn it over, miss kicks, etc. That is part of the game. I just think, at this point we have to look at the whole picture. When I look at the whole picture I don't see a team that wins with tough fundamentals on D or in the trenches. Are you ever confident when we go for it on 4th and short? We have a good team with some phenom players, especially on offense. Tate, Floyd, Rudolph, and Clausen can all score in a heartbeat. What we don't have is a team that can consistently block and gain yards when needed. What we don't have is a team that can consistently tackle and get the offense back on the field. That's a problem.

WaveDomer, agree with you 100%, football is still a game of fundamentals, beginning with blocking and tackling. That's why I put my two cents in for Kirk Ferentz. He does more with less talent than just about any coach in America. I'd love to see what he could do with the kind of recruit ND draws.

 

[connor_in]

WaveDomer, agree with you 100%, football is still a game of fundamentals, beginning with blocking and tackling. That's why I put my two cents in for Kirk Ferentz. He does more with less talent than just about any coach in America. I'd love to see what he could do with the kind of recruit ND draws.

I like Mark Dantonio. Also big on fundamentals and he set the table that Cincy has now

 

[GoldenDomer15]

Hey guys, lets look at Iowa. Based on record they should have fired Kirk Ferentz a decade ago. They stuck with him and the continuity of the program has made that into a pretty decent program. Jon Gruden isn't going to cut it as a college coach. Peterson wont leave Boise as long as he is getting BCS contention. Chip Kelly probably wont leave Cincy because he is top dog in teh Big East. Yeah, we will be loaded next year, if Charlie stays. If he doesn't say goodbye to a lot of the players, a lot of the recruits, and a lot of future wins.

Good points man...I think they need to stick with CW for at least another year. College football isn't what it used to be. It's so much more competitive and the teams that were historically bad are getting better and the playing field is getting more even. Yes, ND shouldn't be close be in that mediocre category. They need to be a top dog and fighting for the NC every year. The recruits are there and they'll keep coming as long as Weis is there.
This year has shown us a lot about certain aspects of our game, we can score when we want and we can make true freshman quarterbacks look like Montana for the 49ers. I really think people need to start looking elsewhere, like Tenuta and Brown. I can honestly say I was scared when CW announced Tenuta as the D coordinator. His defensive schemes were not good for people we have on D. Let' get rid of Tenuta and bring in someone that can get these kids to start showing some passion on the field when playing D.

By the way I doubt that Chip Kelly is going to leave Oregon, but maybe Brian Kelly might leave Cincy.

 

[GoldenDomer15]

How about that Bobby Bowden guy I hear he might need a new gig, he has tons of experience!

I hope your being sarcastic...

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Bob Stoops?

Bob Stoops?

If he were to become the coach that replaces Charlie Weis, do you believe he would be able to make the Notre Dame football program competitive once again?

Im hearing from a friend of a friend of a friend's cousin that has inside knowledge type of rumor that he would be a legit candidate if this job does in fact open up following the end of the season like some people here expect it to.

Maybe this could be another Urban/Ty situation but this does put pressure on Charlie to win out the final 4 games, but I hope for his heart's sake that he doesn't pay any attention to the criticism and speculation.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

If he were to become the coach that replaces Charlie Weis, do you believe he would be able to make the Notre Dame football program competitive once again?

Im hearing from a friend of a friend of a friend's cousin that has inside knowledge type of rumor that he would be a legit candidate if this job does in fact open up following the end of the season like some people here expect it to.

Maybe this could be another Urban/Ty situation but this does put pressure on Charlie to win out the final 4 games, but I hope for his heart's sake that he doesn't pay any attention to the criticism and speculation.

If you cant name your source, dont claim to have inside knowledge. Many posters have gotten burned for that.

 

[NDinFL]

sure

sure

as I've said before, I am not a Weis hater; I think Charlie runs a great offense, and generally is media savvy and a GREAT recruiter, but Bob Stoops? he'd be great.....look at the recruits he pulls...look at the schedule he plays....and then, compare them to ours. I'm not campainging for Bob Stoops, just stating facts. Not to mention he runs a great spread offense.....just playing devil's advocate on that one lol

 

[notredomer23]

He has an ND clause in his contract