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I will say this, I love my PBC, but miss some of the 'tending' to the smoke. I have a gas grill, charcoal grill, and the PBC. I'm debating on building, in a year or two, and vertical offset. Just to have that connection back with the cooking. On days I can't or don't want to stay with it I'll have the PBC. On the other days I'll have the other.

One other thing to consider, on the PBC and the WSM, is they aren't big smokers. Depending upon what you're cooking, or how much volume, they may not be large enough.

I never really smoke a ton. Currently, it's just my wife and I. The biggest i'd do is a 15 pound turkey or so which both can take.

I'm not wanting to really 'tend' it per se, but want to set the vents, set the temp where I want it, etc. But the put it in and walk away idea of the PBC is enticing. I have read the WSM can be set it and forget it pretty well too. I'm looking to do some overnight smokes to have meals ready for lunch, ya know?
 

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I had a PBC smoker before I built my current one... If found it more difficult to set and walk away from honestly... This would be a wood/charchol smoker correct?
 

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Now that you guys are done discussing your BJ's, or lack thereof, I'd like to try to make jerky. Or something along those lines. I don't have a dehydrator, nor do I want to cure the neat forever, or cold smoke it. So, what are my options? Would it be possible to by a cut of beef, slice it pretty thin, marinate it over a night or two, then smoke it? Would it even resemble jerky? Has anyone tried a different method than the norm?

I make jerky in the oven. It comes out pretty good. Cures for 24 hours, cooks for 1:40-2 hours. Cooks at 170 with a wooden spoon jammed in the door to keep it cracked an inch or so. Easy and good.
 

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I had a PBC smoker before I built my current one... If found it more difficult to set and walk away from honestly... This would be a wood/charchol smoker correct?
The PBC is essential and ugly drum smoker. It's a small 3p gallon drum. Charcoal for fuel. Vertical. Set your basket in the bottom then meat goes directly above it about a foot.
 

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Yeah, just making sure we weren't talking something connected to gas or electricity... How would that be easier to set and walk away from then an offset? My experience was exactly the opposite in terms on holding temps for long periods...
 
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I'm not wanting to really 'tend' it per se, but want to set the vents, set the temp where I want it, etc. But the put it in and walk away idea of the PBC is enticing. I have read the WSM can be set it and forget it pretty well too. I'm looking to do some overnight smokes to have meals ready for lunch, ya know?
Put it this way. I've done 16+ hour smokes of pork butts on the WSM and this is how it usually goes:

Hour 1: Tinker and fiddle
Hour 2: Tinker here and there, but get other shit done before bed
Hour 3 - 11: Sleep like a baby
Hour 12: Add fuel
Hour 13: Tinker and fiddle
Hour 14 - 16: Check my wireless thermometer every half hour or so

It's the best of both worlds IMO.

My experience was exactly the opposite in terms on holding temps for long periods...
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Care to elaborate?
Smoking meat has ONE purpose only. From the dawn of man shitting in the woods and buck skin thongs.....To preserve protein rich foods that would spoil quickly otherwise. That is it.

If you are gonna smoke meat it should be for that purpose and at best done in a smoke house properly. Smoking it just to eat it immediately defeats the entire purpose of the process and can be achieved in much more easy, flavorful and less eloborate and costly ways.


#just saying.
 

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Yeah, just making sure we weren't talking something connected to gas or electricity... How would that be easier to set and walk away from then an offset? My experience was exactly the opposite in terms on holding temps for long periods...
The company owner spend years designing the inlet and outlet apparently. Even tho its very simple. You set the inlet based upon your elevation and there is no actual exhaust stack or vent. At the top there are 4 holes around the sides. These are what hold the rods for hanging meat. A little smoke rolls out of each, that's your only vent. They say not to even monitor the internal chamber temp. Mine does fluctuate a times depending upon the wind. It runs hotter than a regular smoker, sometimes as much as 325. But I've never had shity food out of it. And I've never heard, or read, of someone unhappy with the results of their cooking.
 

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Yes, but you're an idiot.

I'll ignore that completely needless insult and move on...

so with your overnight smokes, what types of meat are we talking? any variation in results, I've never done an over night smoke, I've always just started early and gone all day...

The company owner spend years designing the inlet and outlet apparently. Even tho its very simple. You set the inlet based upon your elevation and there is no actual exhaust stack or vent. At the top there are 4 holes around the sides. These are what hold the rods for hanging meat. A little smoke rolls out of each, that's your only vent. They say not to even monitor the internal chamber temp. Mine does fluctuate a times depending upon the wind. It runs hotter than a regular smoker, sometimes as much as 325. But I've never had shity food out of it. And I've never heard, or read, of someone unhappy with the results of their cooking.

I still own a PBC and never use it, it's peaks and valley s in temps were just too much and it wouldn't hold any reasonable temp for long smokes... maybe it was just a shitty model tho... my understanding of wiz' smoker for example, is it's much more air tight than a basic barrel with a charcoal box at the bottom.
 

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Smoking meat has ONE purpose only. From the dawn of man shitting in the woods and buck skin thongs.....To preserve protein rich foods that would spoil quickly otherwise. That is it.

If you are gonna smoke meat it should be for that purpose and at best done in a smoke house properly. Smoking it just to eat it immediately defeats the entire purpose of the process and can be achieved in much more easy, flavorful and less eloborate and costly ways.

#just saying.
That's not the only purpose. There's an equally valid secondary purpose, that being the preparation of cheaper and tougher cuts of meat that would be unpalatable to eat otherwise. The connective tissue found in a piece of pork butt (collagen) becomes delicious, flavorful gelatin when cooked "low and slow," as in a smoker. You're not smoking to the point of dehydration or preservation, you're smoking to the point of tenderness. The "low and slow" method is the necessary process to achieve this transition, no different than a pot roast or pork chops cooked in a Crock Pot. The smokey flavor is just a tasty by-product.
 

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so with your overnight smokes, what types of meat are we talking? any variation in results, I've never done an over night smoke, I've always just started early and gone all day...
I've only done pork butts overnight, since they're much larger than any briskets I've done. Cooking two eight-pounders has always required at least 16 hours, so I start around 8pm, smoke until noon the next day, and then foil and towel the meat for one to four hours until whatever time the cookout is. I've had some mixed results with the meat itself, but the smoker has run consistently. I usually go to bed with the temp around 230, then wake up with it around 210 as the fuel starts to expire. If you've ever done pork butts, you know that the stubborn "plateau" phase varies wildly from cut to cut, and that's the only variation I've seen.
 

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I think you are confusing smoking with curing.

Smoking does very little to preserve meats.

And to say smoking only serves one purpose is an odd statement. Smoking makes foods taste great.

i.e. nueske applewood smoked bacon

Smoke is probably the single reason why bacon Tastes so good, along with salt. Otherwise is is just a piece of pork belly.
 
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That's not the only purpose. There's an equally valid secondary purpose, that being the preparation of cheaper and tougher cuts of meat that would be unpalatable to eat otherwise. The connective tissue found in a piece of pork butt (collagen) becomes delicious, flavorful gelatin when cooked "low and slow," as in a smoker. You're not smoking to the point of dehydration or preservation, you're smoking to the point of tenderness. The "low and slow" method is the necessary process to achieve this transition, no different than a pot roast or pork chops cooked in a Crock Pot. The smokey flavor is just a tasty by-product.

You are describing slow cooking. That can be achieved by the process of slow cooking with any fuel source. Smoking induces the creation of preservatives called phenols. by the process of having wood chips as part of the process. That is all it does and adds a bit of flavor from the wood that can be achieved through many other ways. Smoking is a totally unnecessary step if you plan to eat it right away.

But again I know I am not convincing anyone of anything. SO I will move on.
 
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I think you are confusing smoking with curing.

Smoking does very little to preserve meats.

And to say smoking only serves one purpose is an odd statement. Smoking makes foods taste great.

i.e. nueske applewood smoked bacon

Smoke is probably the single reason why bacon Tastes so good, along with salt. Otherwise is is just a piece of pork belly.

Smoke is an antimicrobial and antioxidant, but smoke alone is insufficient for preserving food in practice, unless combined with another preservation method. The main problem is the smoke compounds adhere only to the outer surfaces of the food; smoke does not actually penetrate far into meat or fish. In modern times, almost all smoking is carried out for its flavor. Artificial smoke flavoring can be purchased as a liquid to mimic the flavor of smoking, but not its preservative qualities (see also liquid smoke).

In the past, smoking was a useful preservation tool, in combination with other techniques, most commonly salt-curing or drying. In some cases, particularly in climates without much hot sunshine, smoking was simply an unavoidable side effect of drying over a fire. For some long-smoked foods, the smoking time also served to dry the food. Drying, curing, or other techniques can render the interior of foods inhospitable to bacterial life, while the smoking gives the vulnerable exterior surfaces an extra layer of protection. For oily fish smoking is especially useful, as its antioxidant properties delay surface fat rancidification. (Interior fat is not as exposed to oxygen, which is what causes rancidity.) Some heavily-salted, long-smoked fish can keep without refrigeration for weeks or months. Such heavily-preserved foods usually require a treatment such as boiling in fresh water to make them palatable before eating.

Smoked meat is a method of preparing red meat (and fish) which originates in prehistory. Its purpose is to preserve these protein-rich foods, which would otherwise spoil quickly, for long periods. There are two mechanisms for this preservation: dehydration and the antibacterial properties of phenols and other chemicals in the absorbed smoke. In modern days, the enhanced flavor of smoked foods makes them a delicacy in many cultures.
-wiki stuff for reference

The historical origination of smoking was used for preservation. Primarily today it is used for flavor. Curing is the drying and or salt portion of the process. Again, smoking is totally unnecessary for meat that will be eaten immediately.
 
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You are describing slow cooking. That can be achieved by the process of slow cooking with any fuel source. Smoking induces the creation of preservatives called phenols. by the process of having wood chips as part of the process.
When you're talking about an eight-pound hunk of pork, the phenol of the wood smoke doesn't permeate much past the surface of the meat. See the pink "smoke ring" in this piece of brisket.

bbqbeef1.jpg


Any wood fuel added more than a few hours into a smoke will do very little to penetrate the "bark" on the outside of the meat. This bark is formed by the Maillard reaction, created when the sugars used in barbecue rubs are heated and react with amino acids in the meat. This is the same reaction that creates bread crust or causes toasted marshmallows to turn brown.

Thus, there are three layers of barbecued meat. Bark, formed by the Maillard reaction; the smoke ring, formed by the the wood smoke, and the remainder of the meat. You're correct that the majority of the meat on the inside is essentially no different than it would be if it had been slow-cooked using any number of fuel sources, but then you'd lose the flavor of the bark and the smoke ring.
 
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When you're talking about an eight-pound hunk of pork, the phenol of the wood smoke doesn't permeate much past the surface of the meat. See the pink "smoke ring" in this piece of brisket.

bbqbeef1.jpg


Any wood fuel added more than a few hours into a smoke will do very little to penetrate the "bark" on the outside of the meat. This bark is formed by the Maillard reaction, created when the sugars used in barbecue rubs are heated and react with amino acids in the meat. This is the same reaction that creates bread crust or causes toasted marshmallows to turn brown.

Thus, there are three layers of barbecued meat. Bark, formed by the Maillard reaction; the smoke ring, formed by the the wood smoke, and the remainder of the meat. You're correct that the majority of the meat on the inside is essentially no different than it would be if it had been slow-cooked using any number of fuel sources, but then you'd lose the flavor of the bark and the smoke ring.

I understand smoke rings and Mailliard browning. You can get better and more thorough full flavor penetration and better results with a liquid smoke brine that goes through the whole meat adn does not have phenol production. If you desire flavor on the outside, brine it and dry rub it.
 

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You can get better and more thorough full flavor penetration and better results with a liquid smoke brine that goes through the whole meat adn does not have phenol production.
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You can get a perfect football field in the month of November by installing plastic grass, too. Sometimes there's value in aesthetics and kinetics.

haha. OK. Nice. There is vastly more value in doing things correctly and without unnecessary steps. KISS.
 
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