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I know we've still got one game left, but I'm curious what people's thoughts are on how well the coaches have done this season. I think an assessment is fair after the regular season, regardless of bowl game performance (Although that could certainly help or hurt perceptions).

Heres a list:
Brian Kelly - Head Coach
Bob Diaco - Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coord./Linebackers
Paul Longo - Director of Football Strength and Conditioning
Chuck Martin - Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Tony Alford - Running Backs/Slot Wide Receivers/Recruiting Coord.
Scott Booker - Tight Ends/Special Teams Coordinator
Kerry Cooks - Co-Defensive Coordinator/Cornerbacks
Mike Denbrock - Outside Wide Receivers/Passing Game Coordinator
Bob Elliott - Safeties
Mike Elston - Defensive Line
Harry Hiestand - Offensive Line

Anyone else worth mentioning?
 

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I'll go first


Brian Kelly - Hmmm, how do you grade the head coach? Some coaches are very hands on, some delegate more to their assistants. How much did BK call plays this season, and how much did Martin call plays? Who made the decision to switch around the RBs so much, and why did we stick with GAIII as the starter for so long? Who knows. I can only really grade BK on what I saw as the final record, his passion/rage on the sidelines, his ability to try and motiviate the players before and during games, and his interviews. Given all these situations and factoring in the injuries/suspensions, I'm going to say B-. I think we could have had a worse season, I think we could have had a better one, but some things are out of your hands as a coach.

Bob Diaco - For Linebackers, I'll grade a B-. I'm being a little favorable maybe since we lost Spond and Grace, and Jaylon was a bright spot for the most part despite the fact he was coming in with high hopes and athleticism. Tough to really put a grade on Linebackers given those variables. As D-coordinator I don't think it was one of Diaco's better years. Despite the injuries, I think we had some bad game plans at times and we failed to adjust to what teams were doing, like at Michigan. There were times we could and should have brought more pressure, but we sat back. Going with a C- defensively.

Paul Longo - F, as in FIRE! Just kiddin', I don't blame Longo for Tuitt not being in great shape post surgery. I think Longo does a pretty good job. I don't think our team's ever really wilted in the 4th quarter. If we lost a game, we were usually down early, so I'd have to say S&C was pretty good. A- maybe?

Chuck Martin - I'm going with a D+ as OC, C- for QBs. Again, there were some situations I think that put Martin in a bad situation, like losing Golson. Also, he may or may not have always been calling plays sometimes, who really knows, seems like a mystery if and when BK took over play calling. Regardless, I think we should have focused a strong emphasis on the run game with Rees at the helm, play action passes, and screens to take the pressure off the QB. We didn't really do any of that. Second, Hendrix was our only real backup this season with Zaire sick to start and redshirted anyway, and Hendrix didn't appear to be prepared when he was in.

Tony Alford - I like Tony, and I feel for the season he probably went through losing his brother in fall camp, that had to be hard. I'm a little disappointed we stuck with GAIII and Carlisle as the starters for so long, but maybe it was the fact Folston was still learning and wasn't 100%. They probably didn't know Cam was going to step up to be an every down kind of back either. I'm going to say "B."

Scott Booker - Tight Ends were pretty good I thought. Blocked great, and they had some good catches with big shoes to fill in Eifert's departure. Koyack had a couple bumps in his early games, but I felt like he came on more as he got experience...B+ for TEs. Special Teams...I thought our Kickoff coverage was f***in' horrible all year. Actually, I think we did a horrible job with Special Teams aside from Field Goal and maybe Wulfeck's rare short yardage punting. Brindza did have more Touchbacks this season on Kickoffs, that was about the only bright spot Kickoff team had. Oddly enough we've only had 13 Punt Returns all season, but there HAS been improvement there from last year (credit TJ probably). For Special Teams...despite the fact coverage on Kickoffs/Punts was awful, we did improve in Punt/Kickoff returns and lost nothing in Place Kicking. I'll average these to a C+ for Special Teams.

Kerry Cooks - Nothing much to say about the Corners. I thought Russell was pretty good this year, mostly because you didn't see QBs even throwing in his direction. BJax did get most of the attention, but he seemed locked up on the better receivers at times too. He did get screwed on some PI calls, Michigan being one I think. I think Cole Luke will have a good future. I'll say B grade for Corners.

Mike Denbrock - Won't grade the passing game. I thought our receivers were pretty good, especially TJ. Whether that was coaching or not, or TJ stepping up, I'm not sure. Daniels at times looked like an AA, and other times he was completely not in synch with the QB. I think he could do a better job playing some "defense" if he's out of position or a bad pass comes his way. I haven't seen him try to knock a pass away from a defender in these situations. Starters aside, the future is bright with the freshmen we got to see. I'm going to say A- for WRs, next year could be even better with Golson back.

Bob Elliott - Not a fan of what I've seen with the Safeties this season. We were supposed to be loaded with talent, but it didn't seem to always translate on the field. Mental mistakes and bad fundamentals with tackling at times, I'd say C-

Mike Elston - I think we rarely, if ever, had all 3 starters on our DL. Despite that I think Elston did a decent job with the healthy players we had. November was especially ugly after the cut blocking. I'll say B.

Harry Hiestand - As a recruiting coordinator and in pass defense, I would grade an A+. I think we're regressing in our run game though since Warriner left. I'm going to catch flack for that, I know. "Hiestand is the best at everything." Only 9 sacks given up all season with an immobile QB...that's frickin' impressive. The future O-Lines Harry is putting together are looking amazing. Run blocking...I'm not sure yet. OSU certainly has ran the ball well against opponents, much better than we did against Michigan (Yeah, we didn't run it a lot). At times it looks good and we can get some big holes on opponents, other times we're not opening holes against inferior opponents. I'm sure the RB Roulette throughout the season hasn't helped the run game either. If I had to grade run blocking I'd put it at probably C+/B-


If I had to mention one more person as part of the staff, I would give a shout out to J.R. Sandlin. I think he's doing some great things with recruiting, I like the way he's creating buzz and going over the top.
 
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This will lead to nothing other than people thinking they know more about the situation than they do and arguing over whose assumptions are better.
 

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This will lead to nothing other than people thinking they know more about the situation than they do and arguing over whose assumptions are better.

Well, I thought it was better than starting a "Fire <insert name here> Coach" thread, or something along those lines. I like this coaching staff overall, I think there are some areas we could work on for next season. I was kind of curious what other people thought our strengths and weaknesses were.

Players get grades after each game based on following their assignments. I thought it was only fair the coaches get their grades too :).
 

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This will lead to nothing other than people thinking they know more about the situation than they do and arguing over whose assumptions are better.

So it will be like all the other threads.:)
 
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Wow! You guys are tough. Bob, I think you meant "be" not "by."

Since there is no levity here, let me add some:

Brian Kelly - "A" for program building.

Chuck Martin - "A" for thinking offensively just like Brian Kelly. (This is the one time an "F" would be a good thing.) F for qb coach. "A" for dealing with the hand he was dealt.

Bob Diaco - Incomplete. Repeat course; (elsewhere would be good.)

Bobby Elliot - "A+" for working with the hand he was dealt - "A+" for personal toughness in the face of paralyzing fear, and horrific personal circumstances, yet being there for his players, and the team he coached.

Denbrock - "A" for recruiting and coaching, and having a good perspective on everything.

Elston - "A" for leading the team with a good example, being a good technician and coaching up the d-line, while putting up with at least one massive prima donna.

Alford - "A" for everything from loyalty, to position, to recruiting.

Cooks - "B+"

Booker - "B+"

Hiestand - "A+" for everything. We will see how his team run blocks with a mobile quarterback and a year of maturity on the part of young running backs. (They ran blocked fine all season for Cam McD.)
 

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Not going to grade each coach individually, I don't know enough about the behind-the-scenes stuff and because of all the unexpected attrition and injuries. But the main things I take this staff to task for are not adapting their systems. We called plays all year as if we had a mobile QB. On defense, we stuck with the exact system that only worked with an All-American with tremendous instincts playing MLB while playing with an apparently injured safety who can't tackle. I dislike that we very rarely adjust our schemes during a game instead of just at halftime. I'm hoping that with a mobile QB and athleticism upgrade on defense, the team can achieve their potential.
 
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I actually got to thinking about it. And here is what I came up with in another thread about Martin and the offense;

You know that is a good point. Martin walked into a "hot mess" with the offense. Qb horror story after horror story, from Clausen leaving a year early, to Crist, to losing Kiel and Golson, to Hendrix's lack of development, to Tommy's limitations. And with the Molnar mess and fiasco to boot. With Hinton and Warnier leaving the year before, Martin had four assistants on the offensive staff with one year or less with their position group at ND, including himself! And an offense designed for a mobile quarterback. And three new starters on the offensive line after losing your two best running backs and a Mackey award winner! WOW!

Another thing that will make him look a lot better, is there another way to hire a staff QB guru? You know, one of these guys like Whitfield that works for extended periods with the qb's and isn't necessarily a "game coach?"
 
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I actually got to thinking about it. And here is what I came up with in another thread about Martin and the offense;



Another think that will make him look a lot better, is there another way to hire a staff QB guru? You know, one of these guys like Whitfield that works for extended periods with the qb's and isn't necessarily a "game coach?"


No, that would be an NCAA violation, the Cerrato Rule. Holtz made Cerrato a Full Time Recruiting Coordinator with no practice or game responsibility. It was so successful that others coaches complained and the NCAA passed a rule in the early 90's limiting the number of coaches and requiring that assistant coaches have "Position" responsibility and are "on the field" coaches.

Players can consult with outside coaches at their own expense. Lots of athletes train with speed or conditioning coaches on the outside while enrolled and on scholarship. The school or a booster can not pay for it.

Golson's situation is interesting as he was not enrolled and not on scholarship for the past semester. I don't know how the NCAA deals with such a status. There may be a rule but covering an unenrolled athlete but I've never read or heard of any.

A couple of years ago there was an ND kicker (a punter I believe) who was struggling and he contacted an ND alumni NFL kicker for some suggestions to work through his problem by phone. It was mentioned in the media and UND quickly responded that the athlete had reached out on his own without any institutional involvement and without any compensation.

IF a coach could bring in outside consultants Saban would have had dozens of them on campus a long time ago.
 
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No, that would be an NCAA violation, the Cerrato Rule. Holtz made Cerrato a Full Time Recruiting Coordinator with no practice or game responsibility. It was so successful that others coaches complained and the NCAA passed a rule in the early 90's limiting the number of coaches and requiring that assistant coaches have "Position" responsibility and are "on the field" coaches.

Players can consult with outside coaches at their own expense. Lots of athletes train with speed or conditioning coaches on the outside while enrolled and on scholarship. The school or a booster can not pay for it.

Golson's situation is interesting as he was not enrolled and not on scholarship for the past semester. I don't know how the NCAA deals with such a status. There may be a rule but covering an unenrolled athlete but I've never read or heard of any.

A couple of years ago there was an ND kicker (a punter I believe) who was struggling and he contacted an ND alumni NFL kicker for some suggestions to work through his problem by phone. It was mentioned in the media and UND quickly responded that the athlete had reached out on his own without any institutional involvement and without any compensation.

IF a coach could bring in outside consultants Saban would have had dozens of them on campus a long time ago.

I wondered, with changes made in recruiting staff and contact, if the pendulum was yet swinging back in other areas, too.
 

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Brian Kelly - Head Coach (B)
Bob Diaco - Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coord./Linebackers (C-)
Paul Longo - Director of Football Strength and Conditioning (B+)
Chuck Martin - Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks (C-)
Tony Alford - Running Backs/Slot Wide Receivers/Recruiting Coord. (B+)
Scott Booker - Tight Ends/Special Teams Coordinator (D-)
Kerry Cooks - Co-Defensive Coordinator/Cornerbacks (C)
Mike Denbrock - Outside Wide Receivers/Passing Game Coordinator (A)
Bob Elliott - Safeties (B-)
Mike Elston - Defensive Line (B)
Harry Hiestand - Offensive Line (B)

In a very real sense, we are evaluating the performance of the players at these positions as much as we are the coach. With a healthy defensive line, Elston could have easily earned an "A". I'm not sure how much responsibility Booker bears for special teams play, but the special teams were horrible once again. I'm also giving Diaco the benefit of the doubt due to the large number of injuries on the defensive side of the ball, but I'm still not a big fan of our lack of aggression on defense. As far as Kelly goes, he deserves some credit for his success over the past four years following the Weiss fiasco, but the second line players seldom seem ready to step in when needed. What is it about our offensive and defensive schemes that take so long to learn? Other teams seem to be able to plug highly-skilled freshmen right in the line-up. We, on the other hand, need three and sometimes four years to "develop" them before they are ready to play in our system. It certainly isn't because they are buried behind great players on the depth chart. Denbrock gets my highest grade for being able to get Robinson and Fuller ready to play so early in comparison to young players at other positions.
 
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I can see different opinions from different perspectives on grades. I can also see a conversation on separating player performance within position group out of a coaches grade.

But if you saw the game Saturday night, there were two reasons we were in it, players will and Longo's conditioning. It wasn't strategy or play selection!

We were clearly in much better shape than Stanford, to the man, Saturday night!
 

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I can see different opinions from different perspectives on grades. I can also see a conversation on separating player performance within position group out of a coaches grade.

But if you saw the game Saturday night, there were two reasons we were in it, players will and Longo's conditioning. It wasn't strategy or play selection!

We were clearly in much better shape than Stanford, to the man, Saturday night!

That seems a little over the top. Can you explain? I thought the play calling in the second half was better and it kept Stanford off balance. I have no idea what we were trying to do in the first half.
 

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A+ to all coaches. No one knows what they actually do day to day other than their familys and people that work with them everyday.

The one thing we know for sure is that their job is hard and takes 24/7 commitment.
 

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I can see different opinions from different perspectives on grades. I can also see a conversation on separating player performance within position group out of a coaches grade.

But if you saw the game Saturday night, there were two reasons we were in it, players will and Longo's conditioning. It wasn't strategy or play selection!

We were clearly in much better shape than Stanford, to the man, Saturday night!

Stanford's conditioning looked fine to me. They were systematically grinding on us for all four quarters.
 
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I honestly think it is BK, in that he is just too loyal to the uppeclassmen.

Bk talks about "trust" in his players a lot. He said Jarron Jones did not have his trust regarding the classroom which is why he did not play. He said Max did not have his full trust on the field which is why he has not played more. I am sure there are others. Maybe it will change next year???
 

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CAUTION: POTENTIAL DUMPSTER FIRE

I am in the camp that believes 360 degree appraisals are not a good idea...and have lit them on fire in every business I controlled where they once existed...its just a bad idea...always will be.

this feels a hell of a lot like 360 degree appraisals.

I get the sentiment here...and its just fans exchanging perspectives...so pretty good potential topic to learn from smart folks...

however this feels bad to me...I think I'll learn from others on this one...:)
 

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It's true I don't know as much about football as Kelly does, or as many of you do. I also don't know as much as my mechanic does about my car, but I can tell if it's running okay or not, and can reason my way through to some general opinions and thoughts. It's a football chat room, not a council vote on SALT IV talks, so notwithstanding my own limitations, I will offer some opinions....

Special Teams. Booker. -- I think you have to divide this, because there are disparate aspect of this job; it's true of all coaching slots, to an extent, but really different here because placekicking, punting, kickoffs, kick returns, and kick coverage, are all distinctly different matters. (I recently learned that Marv Levy, along with Dick Vermeil, were the first two (solely) special teams coaches in the NFL; at least that's what Marv said in an interview I heard. Before that, they just had one of the other coaches spend a few minutes a week on it.)

For our purposes, I thought Booker did well on place kicking, punting, and kickoffs (generally speaking (B+ or better)), better (hard not to be) than last year on punt returns (C+ for improvement and no turnovers I can remember), okay on KO returns (steady but not great, and no turnovers -- B), and awful, just awful, on kick coverage (D). Don't understand why this last part if so bad.


O Line. Heistand. -- again, I'd divide between run blocking (C+/B-), pass blocking (A) and intangibles (A-).

The running game was inconsistent and I think the RBs are good enough that they'd hit most holes if they were there.

Pass blocking -- I really cannot overstate how remarkable it is that they had only, what?, 7 sacks this year. It's one thing if they can't sack Michael Vick or Marotta; but Tommy is like Michaelangelo's David back there. Granted, Tommy gets an assist, because he was pretty good (sometimes a little too good) at getting rid of the ball quickly. But that's still a remarkable achievement, and this was not against an Ohio State schedule full of Dalai Lama pass rushers (the best sacking opponent OSU had was Nebby, tied at 9th, then Penn St tied at 39th). ND faced three teams who are in the top ten of sacks this year -- AZ St #6, and USC and Stanford #9 (in last stats available), plus Mich State at 34th. Add in the injuries, and it's really quite a job.

Intangibles -- I mean, spirit, avoiding dumb penalties, next man in quality -- A-.

OC. Martin -- You have to grade him on the curve because he had a tough hand dealt him. But (and I won't belabor it here), I think he or Kelly overrated Tommy's skill-set and had him make too many throws not in his wheelhouse. Tommy's more of 20 yard and under guy, with a few bombs (not too too long) included for strategic purposes, but I think they had more +20 yard attempts than were prudent (I'd like to research this.). I also did not like the tendency to pass, even when the running game was working. I also don't care for frequent first down passing, esp. when the running game is working. But there's a lot here behind the curtain, so I'll just give him a C+ and leave it at that, because he did well enough to outscore AZ State and come back in a respectable game on the road vs Stanford and, with Tommy, he didn't have a QB run option at all so it's smaller playbook.

Defense. Diaco. I know we were disappointed, based on last year's success, but we lost a lot, of course, to graduation, and then through the year, lost a lot to injuries. Michigan was an inexplicable loss, except that Gardner played the game of his career against us. Yeah, Oky scored a lot, but those were on or off of, turnovers. Still don't get what's so hard about the Navy option; we see it every year, and this year, saw it a week after Air Force's less efficient option. That's puzzling and a negative. But in sum, the defense, really, nearly single handedly, beat USC (esp under great pressure once Tommy was knocked out), and they pretty much controlled AZ State and they out-defensed a good Mich St team that was not going to give up many points. With all the injuries, missed plays, missed games -- I just have to give a Diaco a gentleman's B+.


Kelly -- Hard to know which of the criticisms goes to him rather than the individual coaches (gameplans?) and I'll be surprised if he doesn't make some coaching changes. Here's what I give Kelly praise for -- continuing the trend away from the Weis malaise years, being willing to play freshmen, keeping the team playing hard throughout every game (excepting Pitt, for which they looked flat), which I think is much harder than it looks, beating Southern Cal, and winning 8 games (maybe 9) in spite of a lot of adversity. So, in a tough year -- big losses on the roster, many injuries, post 2012 letdown, tough schedule, QB depth issues not of his making -- I'd give Kelly a B+.
 
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and awful, just awful, on kick coverage (D). Don't understand why this last part if so bad.

...what do you think was the predominant issue...discipline, desire, bad gunner selection, too predictable/easy to block, poor tackling technique ????
 

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...what do you think was the predominant issue...discipline, desire, bad gunner selection, too predictable/easy to block, poor tackling technique ????

I really don't know. Here's where I'd like to go back and look at the games again. My impression was that we rarely make contact with the returner's zone, if you will, until he's at the 20 or 25, and then it seems like we miss a lot tackles. I thought the first half was better on Saturday, then in the second, it seemed like we lapsed again. I'd be interested in opinions on this myself.
 

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...what do you think was the predominant issue...discipline, desire, bad gunner selection, too predictable/easy to block, poor tackling technique ????

PunterBro does a review of Special teams after every game on onefootdown.com. He does an excellent job with breakdowns. In every game he's pointed out numerous players blocking air, allowing the returner to be surrounded.
 
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I really don't know. Here's where I'd like to go back and look at the games again. My impression was that we rarely make contact with the returner's zone, if you will, until he's at the 20 or 25, and then it seems like we miss a lot tackles. I thought the first half was better on Saturday, then in the second, it seemed like we lapsed again. I'd be interested in opinions on this myself.

I need to go back...same as you. I really can't recall a remarkable gunner presence pressuring returners...seems like one wave...that often gets packed in or collapsed somewhere...
 

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Another thing that will make him look a lot better, is there another way to hire a staff QB guru? You know, one of these guys like Whitfield that works for extended periods with the qb's and isn't necessarily a "game coach?"

Why would we need a QB guru? The development of the QBs has not been all that bad. Tommy Rees was a 3* guy that was barely recruited by anyone outside of ND. We all know how limited he is, in terms of physical talent. Considering the limitations, his production has been outstanding. Golson looked very good, as a first year starter, and you could really see how he got better, as he got more experience. That usually doesn't happen, unless the coaches have laid a good foundation for the player to build on as he sees more and more things on the field. Hendrix is the only one that has proven to be a substandard product on the field. Considering the production of the other two; I would venture to guess that Hendrix's lack of performance is probably more a function of his own dedication, rather than a lack of quality coaching.
 
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If you looked at the overall conditioning of both teams, with Stanford taking it to ND four quarters on offense, just banging it out, our defense answered the call, to the final bell. Our offense looked fresher to me than their defense at the end of the game.

Play calling on the first two drives, and at or around the interceptions, in other words, on the last couple of drives was predictable. Going down field twice at the beginning of the game and coming away with nothing was it. I wasn't going to say it, but I believe better play calling could have won the game, like what we did for our TD's to TJ and DD, as opposed to rushing Cam up the middle who slipped and a fade to CoreyR, that had zero chance.
 
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I know we've still got one game left, but I'm curious what people's thoughts are on how well the coaches have done this season. I think an assessment is fair after the regular season, regardless of bowl game performance (Although that could certainly help or hurt perceptions).

Heres a list:
Brian Kelly - Head Coach
Bob Diaco - Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coord./Linebackers
Paul Longo - Director of Football Strength and Conditioning
Chuck Martin - Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks
Tony Alford - Running Backs/Slot Wide Receivers/Recruiting Coord.
Scott Booker - Tight Ends/Special Teams Coordinator
Kerry Cooks - Co-Defensive Coordinator/Cornerbacks
Mike Denbrock - Outside Wide Receivers/Passing Game Coordinator
Bob Elliott - Safeties
Mike Elston - Defensive Line
Harry Hiestand - Offensive Line

Anyone else worth mentioning?

BK: 'A-'. Got screwed out of a QB this year, but his main strength is his politician style and recruiting. Sure, there might be better coaches out there (although not many), but I don't think there's anyone I'd rather have at the helm. It takes a lot of charisma to convince the ND traditionalists to put music in the stadium, to play a night game, to have the Shamrock Series, to change the field turf, etc. No one better, IMO.

Diaco: 'B+'. I'd have to look at the stats, but he seems to do pretty well against traditional offenses (spare, Alabama). But the academies and other A-typical offenses he seems to really struggle with. I'd give his on the field performance a 'B', but his hair and recruiting efforts give him a 'B+'.

Scott Booker: 'C-'. We have really bad special teams. Punting has been hit or miss, kick coverage is iffy, and the return game has never really done anything. I'd put him in the 'D' category if it wasn't for his role in the 'TE' game.

Harry Heistand: 'A'. Kids love him, and OL played excellent this year. Zero complaints.

Paul Longo: 'C-'. I'm not sold on him at all. Special team is where almost every player will play, and IMO we field very nonathletic special teams for the level of talent BK has brought in. Add to that that our entire LB crew is slow (spare Jaylon and Shembo if you count him as a LB), and I just think he has some players playing too heavy. Grace couldn't run with anyone when he was healthy, Moore can't run, Carlo, Fox, even Councell who was supposed to be fast... I just see zero athleticism at that spot. Watch South Carolina, Bama, Auburn, LSU play and sub players in, and they just look like completely different athletes than we have.
 
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