Google Self Driving Car

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This is really old? My friend's dad runs a Google division out here and he 'drove' a self-driving car through DC years ago.

Right now the biggest issue is handling of stop signs.
 

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Interesting. There was a report about these on NPR a couple months ago. They were saying that these are still a few years away from being ready for the market. One issue they mentioned is that the cars still can't go in reverse. Another was that they still struggle at avoiding/stopping for pedestrians who might be in the roadway. From what GITF linked, though, it sounds like they are getting close on that one.

If these cars catch on, it could greatly reduce travel times in big cities and high-traffic area because these cars can tailgate safely and start moving the very instant that a stoplight changes from red to green, etc.

Freaking crazy.
 
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Interesting. There was a report about these on NPR a couple months ago. One issue they mentioned is that the cars still can't go in reverse. Another was that they still struggle at avoiding/stopping for pedestrians who might be in the roadway. From what GITF linked, though, it sounds like they are getting close.

Actually, they handle pedestrians pretty well (in the sense that they are hyper cautious) which is a bit of an issue in cities with lots of pedestrian traffic as the car plays it really safe. So I dare say they avoid pedestrians far better than your average human driver right now.
 

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Actually, they handle pedestrians pretty well (in the sense that they are hyper cautious) which is a bit of an issue in cities with lots of pedestrian traffic as the car plays it really safe. So I dare say they avoid pedestrians far better than your average human driver right now.

Haha, wild. I'm sure they said in the report I heard something along the lines of handling pedestrians being an issue, but I must have just assumed that they meant that the cars didn't recognize pedestrians well enough, when in fact the problem is the opposite, they don't travel efficiently because they are always stopping for pedestrians who aren't there.
 

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Haha, wild. I'm sure they said in the report I heard something along the lines of handling pedestrians being an issue, but I must have just assumed that they meant that the cars didn't recognize pedestrians well enough, when in fact the problem is the opposite, they don't travel efficiently because they are always stopping for pedestrians who aren't there.

Yeah it's crazy stuff... basically, I sum up the issues right now as being "judgement" or "perception" situations. You know, basically the stuff that effs up actual drivers too. For highway/freeway/suburban you could basically drive them off the lot right now. HOWEVER...

For city driving, there are a bunch of issues... and I'll give a couple quick examples:

1. Signage: what happens when a lane is closed down for construction? Or you get to a 4-way stop with parked cars that can be interpreted as in the lane and having precedence in the pecking order? What about complex 1-way streets or poorly marked roads or detours (e.g. in DC they will often close down one side of a road and re-route both directions through one side of the street... at what point does the computer decide it's "OK" to drive on the wrong side of the road?)

2. Irregular car traffic: what happens when delivery truck throws its flashers on to unload and stops abruptly to block a lane? Does the car know to pass? What happens if you're following someone close and they stop to parallel park in a space that your car is then blocking? etc. etc. etc.

3. Pedestrians: how does your car deal with jay walkers? What if a pedestrian is standing just in the street on the corner waiting for a walk signal? What about bikers weaving in and out of traffic? What about bikers running red lights? You have to be very cautious... but when is it too cautious to function?

So I think if the lawyers can get past the liability you might see cars sooner rather than later for rolled out for auto-highway driving. They've already done millions of miles of that without incident. But city driving is just utterly complex.
 

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Yeah it's crazy stuff... basically, I sum up the issues right now as being "judgement" or "perception" situations. You know, basically the stuff that effs up actual drivers too. For highway/freeway/suburban you could basically drive them off the lot right now. HOWEVER...

For city driving, there are a bunch of issues... and I'll give a couple quick examples:

1. Signage: what happens when a lane is closed down for construction? Or you get to a 4-way stop with parked cars that can be interpreted as in the lane and having precedence in the pecking order? What about complex 1-way streets or poorly marked roads or detours (e.g. in DC they will often close down one side of a road and re-route both directions through one side of the street... at what point does the computer decide it's "OK" to drive on the wrong side of the road?)

2. Irregular car traffic: what happens when delivery truck throws its flashers on to unload and stops abruptly to block a lane? Does the car know to pass? What happens if you're following someone close and they stop to parallel park in a space that your car is then blocking? etc. etc. etc.

3. Pedestrians: how does your car deal with jay walkers? What if a pedestrian is standing just in the street on the corner waiting for a walk signal? What about bikers weaving in and out of traffic? What about bikers running red lights? You have to be very cautious... but when is it too cautious to function?

So I think if the lawyers can get past the liability you might see cars sooner rather than later for rolled out for auto-highway driving. They've already done millions of miles of that without incident. But city driving is just utterly complex.

That's gotta be a big if. There's obviously a well-developed body of law relating to how to assign liability for auto accidents to the drivers involved, but if one of these self-driving cars caused an accident, would you even be able to sue the owner/user of the car at all? Or would Google be the responsible party? If it's Google, they'd be facing practically limitless liability by selling these cars. Big question mark.
 

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That's gotta be a big if. There's obviously a well-developed body of law relating to how to assign liability for auto accidents to the drivers involved, but if one of these self-driving cars caused an accident, would you even be able to sue the owner/user of the car at all? Or would Google be the responsible party? If it's Google, they'd be facing practically limitless liability by selling these cars. Big question mark.

Yeah no joke. It's crazy complicated. And if there was ever a "bug" then you better believe Google would be "negligent" no matter what waivers the driver signs. So at the end of the day, the American legal system might be what thwarts a technological revolution.
 

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One way to eliminate the concern for pedestrians and other ground personnel...fly.

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As a guy who hates driving with a passion, I can't wait for self-driving cars to become the norm. Another aspect of these is that you don't need to own the car, but can instead subscribe to a service that would pick you up when you needed the car. That way, you don't have to worry about parking (such a huge waste of pavement/time/money) and it would be far cheaper than owning your own car.
 

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As a guy who hates driving with a passion, I can't wait for self-driving cars to become the norm. Another aspect of these is that you don't need to own the car, but can instead subscribe to a service that would pick you up when you needed the car. That way, you don't have to worry about parking (such a huge waste of pavement/time/money) and it would be far cheaper than owning your own car.[/QUOTE]

You know damn well that united states government would never let that happen, they make entirely to much money on the US auto industry. I could imagine they would not allow you to just rent one per day
 

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Another issue is insurance if something were to happen. Who insures it, Google or a normal insurance company. The latter certainly does not want to right now.
 
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What happens when semis are automated with these and millions of drivers are replaced?
 

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What happens when semis are automated with these and millions of drivers are replaced?

No matter what you're going to have to have a driver behind the wheel still for the foreseeable future. But you're right, the primary commercial application long term is replacing long haul truckers. Probably a solid 20 years from that though if not more.
 

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What happens when semis are automated with these and millions of drivers are replaced?

I would imagine that a system where all vehicles are automated is much simpler to coordinate than developing cars which must interact with non-automated vehicles.
 
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