Gerad Parker - Troy Head Coach :)

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Either way, I wish we had the guy from Utah. Amazing how we’re never willing to go full in on winning (recruiting, paying for top coaches, facilities, etc…) and then are surprised we consistently come up short against elite programs. Almost like all the small stuff adds up and makes a difference.
That's pretty fair. Can't expect to win big games consistently against football factories when we're hamstringing our athletes with admissions, multiple long distance road games, heavier academic loads by comparison, etc. In the heyday we had our pick of the litter when it came to recruits and coaches. While we're still better than the bottom 85-90% of FBS teams we're not really a Top 3 or Top 5 anymore and may never be again.
 

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Also, their starting QB was out.


Doesn't matter. Their OC, who is the best OC that nobody could pick out of a lineup 12 months ago, is also their QB coach and has been there for 5 years so it's on him. Heck if Utah's administration actually cared about winning they would know this is EMBARASSING and UNACCEPTABLE. But I guess they are just used to same old same old, excuses excuses blabbedy blah blah so they don't have the STONES to do what they should and fire everybody and SPEND SOME MONEY.

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Doesn't matter. Their OC, who is the best OC that nobody could pick out of a lineup 12 months ago, is also their QB coach and has been there for 5 years so it's on him. Heck if Utah's administration actually cared about winning they would know this is EMBARASSING and UNACCEPTABLE. But I guess they are just used to same old same old, excuses excuses blabbedy blah blah so they don't have the STONES to do what they should and fire everybody and SPEND SOME MONEY.

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Don’t take my word for, ask Marcus Freeman who wanted him as our OC but we cheapened out. I’m a fan of giving your coach what he needs to compete at an elite level. We don’t do that and then wonder why we’re not elite. Might be a correlation.

I’ve accepted this long ago and will always root for ND but I’m never going to get upset when we lose games like Saturday. Certainly don’t think it’s embarrassing or call for someone to get fired. It’s simply Notre Dame football in the 21st century.
 

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Parker is the perfect OC.
Long term hire with zero expectations of leaving.
The guy got the job done, there just needed some execution.
Coordinators are also responsible for ensuring teams can execute their plays. The plays we ran to end the game looked like we never even practiced them
 

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Coordinators are also responsible for ensuring teams can execute their plays. The plays we ran to end the game looked like we never even practiced them
It’s been confirmed Hartman messed up the first play by turning the wrong way. And JTT made a great play on the screen. Other teams can make plays too!
 

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It’s been confirmed Hartman messed up the first play by turning the wrong way. And JTT made a great play on the screen. Other teams can make plays too!
We let the defender in too quick on the screen and he rushed the throw … if Hartman turned the wrong way then that’s my point, not practiced enough, and was too slow of a play for the situation
 

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We let the defender in too quick on the screen and he rushed the throw … if Hartman turned the wrong way then that’s my point, not practiced enough, and was too slow of a play for the situation
Or a six-year veteran QB realized that if he handed it off to Love he risked a fumble, so he ate the five-yard loss. Then, next play, yes, we let a future-first-round draft pick blow up a screen pass, which stopped the clock. But the problem is that we got behind the chains in the first place.
The answer is that on first down we should have lined up in an I set and rammed any of our quintet of capable running backs through the guard-tackle hole for as many yards as we could get until the clock said zero.
 

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I can't tell anymore if we're on the same page, to be honest. There are two sets of parentheses, one inside of the other (Gattaca forgot to copy the last one, but you'll see if you follow the link below). The entire exception, if you cleaned up the double-parentheses, would read:

Exception: When a ball carrier is airborne as they cross the sideline (including a striding runner), forward progress is determined by the position of the ball as it crosses the sideline.

If the runner is airborne (again, it's unclear what "striding" means, in this case) as they cross out-of-bounds, then the ball is placed at the spot that it crossed the sideline.

http://www.myiafoa.org/rules/2018/ifaf2018/4.html
So I've already responded to this, classic, but after looking at your link I see how you got your reading of the rule and which words should be considered part of the exception and which should not. Going off that link, your interpretation is correct because there is a closing parenthesis at the very end of the paragraph which means the words "forward progress is determined by the position of the ball as it crosses the sideline" are part of the parenthetical statement. There is no mention of a striding runner, however, and it looks like this might have been written in 2018, but everything else looks right.

I've since double-checked the PDF I was using from "NCAA publications" and the wording and the parentheses are exactly as I copied and pasted. In other words, "a striding runner" is still mentioned and there isn't a proper closing parenthesis to the exception as I mentioned before, but since your older version contains a proper closing parenthesis I think your interpretation of the rule is correct. It looks like there simply is a typo in the 2023 version of the rule - a missing closing parenthesis - that didn't exist before.

Thanks for clearing this up for me and sorry for not catching what you and GATTACA were trying to tell me earlier.

Also, I agree with you. There still isn't an indisputable shot of the ball crossing the sideline before the original spot so I think the reversal is still bullshit... just not as clearly bullshit as I originally thought.
 

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Parker is the perfect OC.
Long term hire with zero expectations of leaving.
The guy got the job done, there just needed some execution.
He didn't get shit done. He scored basically the same points as Rees in Columbus, but Parker had a much better QB and receivers to work with. He was handed a stacked deck and he folded. We run Estime every play that final drive, we win.
 

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Also, I agree with you. There still isn't an indisputable shot of the ball crossing the sideline before the original spot so I think the reversal is still bullshit... just not as clearly bullshit as I originally thought.
It's one of those ones where I can say with a fairly high level of confidence I don't believe Hartman made the line to gain, but as you say you can't see the actual angle it would take to be 100% certain. I feel like we don't hear reference to "indisputable video evidence" anymore.
 

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So far I am happy enough with Parker but my philosophy is the HC should always just get the best OC or DC to ND.
Same as Rees was never the right guy (more obviously so than Parker) I apply that to this and say we should go out and get the right guy this off season.
 

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We let the defender in too quick on the screen and he rushed the throw … if Hartman turned the wrong way then that’s my point, not practiced enough, and was too slow of a play for the situation
You can coach something 1000X times and a player can make a mistake still. Shit happens
 

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You can coach something 1000X times and a player can make a mistake still. Shit happens
absolutely. Or the other team can just be better than you and win a 1-1 matchup.

My point was, in that type of situation where you're running out the clock, you should always revert back to plays your team executes at a high level. It doesn't mean you've ran it a ton in that game but you should be confident in the execution.

This year we just started doing two back sets, and we haven't run many RB screens. Both of those plays looked like we didn't know how to execute.

First play we lost 5 yards, then we almost threw a pick or got sacked. When you're running out the clock, you should not be calling a play that has the risk of losing yards that easy or coming that close to a turnover.

My opinion with being in the game for awhile. I like agressive play calling in those situations, but smart aggressive play calling.
 

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absolutely. Or the other team can just be better than you and win a 1-1 matchup.

My point was, in that type of situation where you're running out the clock, you should always revert back to plays your team executes at a high level. It doesn't mean you've ran it a ton in that game but you should be confident in the execution.

This year we just started doing two back sets, and we haven't run many RB screens. Both of those plays looked like we didn't know how to execute.

First play we lost 5 yards, then we almost threw a pick or got sacked. When you're running out the clock, you should not be calling a play that has the risk of losing yards that easy or coming that close to a turnover.

My opinion with being in the game for awhile. I like agressive play calling in those situations, but smart aggressive play calling.
I get your point. I coach HS football and just have seen far too many times where "what we do" backfired hahaa
 

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I get your point. I coach HS football and just have seen far too many times where "what we do" backfired hahaa
yeah no doubt. It's just everyone in the stadium and watching on TV knew OSU's will was breaking, and our Oline was dominating.

THink about this too, we went frichan empty back set 5 wide on first play trying to run out clock, hartman and the oline did a great job to have all day and to hit flores for a first down but man, pretty crazy.

The play on the next first down 2 back set was actually set up to be a monster gain, but it's so risky. They literally said, hey, we're going to let ohio states best defender run free at our QB/RB, with the hopes coogan can get there and kick out block him. Yes hartman turned the wrong way, but man, it was such a risky play. If we get a clean hand off, that could have been a big gain, but ohio state was firing off the ball going straight for the run without any other responsibilities. Not smart
 

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absolutely. Or the other team can just be better than you and win a 1-1 matchup.

My point was, in that type of situation where you're running out the clock, you should always revert back to plays your team executes at a high level. It doesn't mean you've ran it a ton in that game but you should be confident in the execution.

This year we just started doing two back sets, and we haven't run many RB screens. Both of those plays looked like we didn't know how to execute.

First play we lost 5 yards, then we almost threw a pick or got sacked. When you're running out the clock, you should not be calling a play that has the risk of losing yards that easy or coming that close to a turnover.

My opinion with being in the game for awhile. I like agressive play calling in those situations, but smart aggressive play calling.
Where I'm at is that at 2:30ish on the clock with 2 timeouts for OSU and the ball at the 35... coming off an 11 yard Estime run... I would have run it between the tackles 3x. You're going to gain at least 5 yards... maybe get a first down... but most importantly you'll be punting from the 40ish yard line with ~1:30 left on the clock and no timeouts for Ohio State. A standard 40-50 yard boot pins them inside the 20 with ~1:20 of clock to work with. They're not scoring a TD going 90 yards with no timeouts. We really, really overthought things and then compounded it with mistakes.
 

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Where I'm at is that at 2:30ish on the clock with 2 timeouts for OSU and the ball at the 35... coming off an 11 yard Estime run... I would have run it between the tackles 3x. You're going to gain at least 5 yards... maybe get a first down... but most importantly you'll be punting from the 40ish yard line with ~1:30 left on the clock and no timeouts for Ohio State. A standard 40-50 yard boot pins them inside the 20 with ~1:20 of clock to work with. They're not scoring a TD going 90 yards with no timeouts. We really, really overthought things and then compounded it with mistakes.
yep, and whatever the heck happened with the delay of game/false start on our punt team, run out the clock if you're punting from the 50 but to just hand them 5 additional yards, and let them set up a better punt return/punt block opportunity.

We really made things hard for ourselves offensively, ST, and defensively.

I still don't get why we keep giving free inside relief to the teams slot receivers. IF you look at OSU's completions most of the game they were free inside releases, especially on the final drive. I get that if you are releasing them into safety help, but we didn't have safety help. The only explanation is the clock only pauses on first downs over the middle vs it stops on first downs that run out of bounds, but they're such harder throws to the outside.
 

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We let the defender in too quick on the screen and he rushed the throw … if Hartman turned the wrong way then that’s my point, not practiced enough, and was too slow of a play for the situation

If you're talking about the screen on 2nd down (rushing the throw), this just isn't accurate.

Lathan Ransom blitzed from the safety position and timed it perfectly. The setup was there, but Hartman needed to rush the throw because it was the absolute perfect playcall by Knowles, and 44 made an incredible play himself.

It was a great playcall, but OSU had two guys make 5-star plays. That's not on the offensive staff.
 

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If you're talking about the screen on 2nd down (rushing the throw), this just isn't accurate.

Lathan Ransom blitzed from the safety position and timed it perfectly. The setup was there, but Hartman needed to rush the throw because it was the absolute perfect playcall by Knowles, and 44 made an incredible play himself.

It was a great playcall, but OSU had two guys make 5-star plays. That's not on the offensive staff.
I should have said it differently, he was forced to rush the throw. It's why the play call was risky. If freeman and Parker wanted to win 21-10, it was a great play call, if freeman wanted to ensure a win, it was a bad play call.

Screens are slow developing plays, you knew they were going to bring people to ensure we didn't rush for 11 yards again, it's why that play is either a home run or a dud. We just can't have a dud play after a dud play.
 

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I should have said it differently, he was forced to rush the throw. It's why the play call was risky. If freeman and Parker wanted to win 21-10, it was a great play call, if freeman wanted to ensure a win, it was a bad play call.

Screens are slow developing plays, you knew they were going to bring people to ensure we didn't rush for 11 yards again, it's why that play is either a home run or a dud. We just can't have a dud play after a dud play.

Fair enough. I didn't like/agree with the first down play call (why not just keep giving it to Estime?), but the third down call was a good one, and aggressive. OSU just had two dudes make plays. Tip of the hat to them.
 

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Where I'm at is that at 2:30ish on the clock with 2 timeouts for OSU and the ball at the 35... coming off an 11 yard Estime run... I would have run it between the tackles 3x. You're going to gain at least 5 yards... maybe get a first down... but most importantly you'll be punting from the 40ish yard line with ~1:30 left on the clock and no timeouts for Ohio State. A standard 40-50 yard boot pins them inside the 20 with ~1:20 of clock to work with. They're not scoring a TD going 90 yards with no timeouts. We really, really overthought things and then compounded it with mistakes.
That was one of my bigger wtf are we doing moments from the game. OSU D was gassed, pound em.
 

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That was one of my bigger wtf are we doing moments from the game. OSU D was gassed, pound em.
Yep, i just can't comprehend intentionally letting a free rusher (their best player) into the backfield with an expected kick out block coming when you are trying to run the clock out.
 

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Either way, I wish we had the guy from Utah. Amazing how we’re never willing to go full in on winning (recruiting, paying for top coaches, facilities, etc…) and then are surprised we consistently come up short against elite programs. Almost like all the small stuff adds up and makes a difference.
Hmmm putting up a donut in the 4th against OSU west. Thats what. 14 points in 2 weeks…
 
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