George Zimmerman Trial

[GoIrish41]

The jury would have to decide if you had a reasonable fear of substantial injury. If he's holding it to your temple = good case. If he's cleaning it = bad case.

So I take it that it would be up to the jury to determine if he had a good or bad case based on the evidence presented. Thanks.

 

[irishpat183]

Yep. Jury didn't think she had a reasonable fear of substantial injury -- there was no physical altercation, and the husband said that they weren't "warning shots", but rather were shots at him that just happened to miss.

(Funny story, Angela Corey is the one who made the decision to prosecute here after she also became convinced that these weren't "warning shots" but were attempts to kill.)

But she was in her home, so she actually doesn't need Stand Your Ground at all. Even in the 19 non-SYG states, you don't have to retreat from an attacker in your home.

And it's hilarous that some are comparing the two cases....Not even close.

She should've just killed him.

 

[Cackalacky]

And 3-5 times a week, being a big guy....they know you by now.

And has your neighborhood had a string of robberies?

I see new people all the time and no, they don't know me. Everyday I still see some one new. Yes we have robberies and a meth lab was in a residence down the street (drug dealers renting a nice house).

 

[Woneone]

OK, so its ok to follow an unknown someone and fatally shoot them, but not ok to get a gun in order to ward off a known abuser? Gotcha. Makes total sense.

Nice comparison. Pick out the "Following" part, and not the "getting head bounced of concrete" part, especially if you're going to compare it to a "known abuser" (I won't even reference TM's past, too obvious at this point).

According to a sworn deposition taken in November 2010, Marissa Alexander's husband, Rico Gray, 36, said that on August 1, 2010, he and Alexander began fighting after he found text messages to Alexander's first husband on her phone. The two were already estranged - according to her father, Alexander had been living at her mother's since the birth of the couple's daughter nine days earlier, and Gray, a long-haul trucker, said he spent the night before in his tractor-trailer. Gray began calling her names, saying "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and blocking her from exiting the bathroom.

Alexander pushed past Gray and went into the garage where she got her gun from her car's glove compartment.

Gray told prosecutors in the deposition that Alexander came back into the house holding the weapon and told him to leave. He refused, and what happened next is somewhat unclear. In his deposition, Gray said "she shot in the air one time," prompting him and the children to run out the front door. But when Gray called 911 the day of the incident, he said "she aimed the gun at us and she shot."

You're defending this, but condemning GZ.

Got'cha.

 

[Cackalacky]

And it's hilarous that some are comparing the two cases....Not even close.

She should've just killed him.

This is why I dont understand it. Makes no sense to be more legal to kill someone.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

^Marissa Alexander's black. That's the agenda people have in comparing the cases. From a pure self-defense standpoint the two cases almost couldn't be more dissimilar.

Which isn't to say she was rightfully convicted, the cases are just too dissimilar to make any sort of comparison, especially one that indicts the entire U.S. criminal justice system as racist.

 

[GoIrish41]

And it's hilarous that some are comparing the two cases....Not even close.

She should've just killed him.

Whomever pulls the trigger is who you side with.

 

[irishpat183]

Nice comparison. Pick out the "Following" part, and not the "getting head bounced of concrete" part, especially if you're going to compare it to a "known abuser" (I won't even reference TM's past, too obvious at this point).

According to a sworn deposition taken in November 2010, Marissa Alexander's husband, Rico Gray, 36, said that on August 1, 2010, he and Alexander began fighting after he found text messages to Alexander's first husband on her phone. The two were already estranged - according to her father, Alexander had been living at her mother's since the birth of the couple's daughter nine days earlier, and Gray, a long-haul trucker, said he spent the night before in his tractor-trailer. Gray began calling her names, saying "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and blocking her from exiting the bathroom.

Alexander pushed past Gray and went into the garage where she got her gun from her car's glove compartment.

Gray told prosecutors in the deposition that Alexander came back into the house holding the weapon and told him to leave. He refused, and what happened next is somewhat unclear. In his deposition, Gray said "she shot in the air one time," prompting him and the children to run out the front door. But when Gray called 911 the day of the incident, he said "she aimed the gun at us and she shot."

You're defending this, but condemning GZ.

Got'cha.

Ahhh....

And with kids in the house...shooting anything "into the air" is dangerous. She put kids lives at danger

 

[irishpat183]

Whomever pulls the trigger is who you side with.

Well...at least that vidicates me of being a racist...LOL

 

[irishpat183]

^Marissa Alexander's black. That's the agenda people have in comparing the cases. From a pure self-defense standpoint the two cases almost couldn't be more dissimilar.

Which isn't to say she was rightfully convicted, the cases are just too dissimilar to make any sort of comparison, especially one that indicts the entire U.S. criminal justice system as racist.

They're looking for ANYTHING right now...

 

[GoIrish41]

Well...at least that vidicates me of being a racist...LOL

and keeps you in the good graces of people who like shooting others.

 

[irishpat183]

and keeps you in the good graces of people who like shooting others.

Great point!

 

[FearTheBeard]

I see new people all the time and no, they don't know me. Everyday I still see some one new. Yes we have robberies and a meth lab was in a residence down the street (drug dealers renting a nice house).

If there were a recent string of breakins and you were going on that walk and someone followed you and tried to ask you questions would you attack the person?

 

[GoIrish41]

Yeah....after the fight had already started.

Maybe, maybe not. Depends if you believe Zimmerman's story.

Again, it's not like GZ chased TM down the street with a gun waving. TM didnt know. If he did..it's likely a confrontation would never have happened. Unless TM thought he was just that big of a bada$$ and went after GZ anyway.

If some strange dude who was just following me around for the past 20 minutes all the sudden is in front of me pointing a gun at me, there is going to be a fight because I know nothing about what that guy's intentions are. Will he fire the gun? Is he just holding me at bay? Who knows? All I know is this is one crazy SOB and if I don't do something he is probably going to kill me. So, the fight begins ...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If some strange dude who was just following me around for the past 20 minutes all the sudden is in front of me pointing a gun at me, there is going to be a fight because I know nothing about what that guy's intentions are. Will he fire the gun? Is he just holding me at bay? Who knows? All I know is this is one crazy SOB and if I don't do something he is probably going to kill me. So, the fight begins ...

You'd willingly engage an armed assailant when: (1) you have no weapon of your own; and (2) you're unsure of the assailants motives?

 

[SaltyND24]

This is a terrible post.


1. GZ didn't flash the gun to get TM to answer questions. So throw out the "fear of being gunned down" crap

2. If someone with a gun told you to stop doing something, you woldn't be defending anything. Or you'd be dumb. Because then you'd be dead.


Which leads me to the conclusion that TM had no effing idea that GZ was packing. If he had, he probably would've ran off instead of confronting GZ. Only when the fight started, did TM realize GZ had a gun and tried to get to it.

1)...We don't know that for certain...Now, if you or anyone has established GZ's account as TRUTH...then ok, but we have no idea how it started outside of his account...I believe the cliche phrase that's been thrown out is, "Just because you are the one that survives, doesn't mean what you say is then truth."

2) I'd probably sh*t myself and then pass out....

3) Once again, this is based on one account of the event...Could it be true? Sure. Does that make it true? Not necessarily...In my opinion, if TM was whooping the dog sh*t out of GZ, who felt himself losing consciousness with Trayvon reaching for the gun in a dominant position, I'd be pretty hard pressed to believe that GZ would get the gun before TM...There are a number of possible scenarios I'll throw out: 1) GZ must've had an adrenaline rush that would rival James McAvoy in "Wanted" 2) The gun was drawn/visible though not necessarily pointed at TM from the beginning or 3) TM never saw the gun...Now, with the evidence of no DNA of on the gun from TM, what seems most reasonable??? Seriously, I'm curious

 

[GoIrish41]

You'd willingly engage an armed assailant when: (1) you have no weapon of your own; and (2) you're unsure of the assailants motives?

would you just stand there and let him shoot you or would you try to get the gun away from him? you've got a split second to decide and all you know about this guy is that he's been following you.

 

[BestBIrish47]

This case should be about the facts. What evidence there is, supports self defense. We can speculate on a number of the issues if we would like, but the real question is, why is this case so popular? What makes it so different than the thousands of murders that occur?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

would you just stand there and let him shoot you or would you try to get the gun away from him? you've got a split second to decide and all you know about this guy is that he's been following you.

If you're sure the assailant intends to kill you and escape isn't an option, then of course you should defend yourself. But what does that scenario have to do with the Zimmerman trial?

 

[BobD]

I'm not certain whether the shooting had anything to do with race or not, but I'm sure much of the reaction to the verdict does.

 

[GoIrish41]

If you're sure the assailant intends to kill you and escape isn't an option, then of course you should defend yourself. But what does that scenario have to do with the Zimmerman trial?

The trial? Nothing. The night that the shooting happened? Maybe nothing maybe everything. we may never know for surebut that certainly makes more sense to me then zimmermans story

 

[ACamp1900]

Has anyone dropping all these hypotheticals ever had a gun pulled on them??? Honestly?

I have, the flush of fear is incredible... Salt nailed it... it's a wonder I didn't **** myself...

 

[Cackalacky]

If there were a recent string of breakins and you were going on that walk and someone followed you and tried to ask you questions would you attack the person?

I would answer the questions. If said person harassed me..... Possibly. If they continued harassing me yes.

 

[gkIrish]

SIAP but wow this article pretty much sums up my position on all of this

Trayvon Martin verdict: Racism, hate crimes prosecution, and other overreactions. - Slate Magazine

 

[GoIrish41]

Has anyone dropping all these hypotheticals ever had a gun pulled on them??? Honestly?

I have, the flush of fear is incredible... Salt nailed it... it's a wonder I didn't **** myself...

nobody should be permitted to have that much power over another person.

 

[ACamp1900]

SIAP but wow this article pretty much sums up my position on all of this

Trayvon Martin verdict: Racism, hate crimes prosecution, and other overreactions. - Slate Magazine

That nailed it... reps.

 

[MJ12666]

The trial? Nothing. The night that the shooting happened? Maybe nothing maybe everything. we may never know for surebut that certainly makes more sense to me then zimmermans story

I respectfully disagree. If Martin knew or even suspected that Zimmerman had a gun why didn't he call the police instead of calling his girlfriend? Additionally, during her testimony, she never stated that Martin told her he was being stalked by someone with a gun.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The trial? Nothing. The night that the shooting happened? Maybe nothing maybe everything. we may never know for surebut that certainly makes more sense to me then zimmermans story

Did the prosecution present this theory to the jury? Was there any evidence to support it? If not, what are we doing here arguing about it?

 

[irishpat183]

Now there is this...

It wasn’t just Skittles Trayvon was carrying

And before you blowhards start..Point is... The lies continue to be exposed. I don't think anyone here condones killing someone for da syruup, but its funny how these little facts are left out to paint TM one way, and GZ another.

Just like the photos

 

[irishpat183]

I respectfully disagree. If Martin knew or even suspected that Zimmerman had a gun why didn't he call the police instead of calling his girlfriend? Additionally, during her testimony, she never stated that Martin told her he was being stalked by someone with a gun.

EXACTLY!

For some poor little kid, he sure was ****ing brave to confront someone with a weapon.

Unless, like logic tells us, he didn't know until the struggle happened. I have to say, if someone flashed a gun at me? I'd be outta there. Not confronting them.