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[Meatloaf]

http://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/1053

Really disheartening update from Mike Frank:

-Maybe an outside DC hire, but an in-house hire wouldn't surprise him

-Maybe some assistant changes. Maybe

-Not sure there will be much change in S&C.

Kelly is a stubborn SOB.

 

[rtrn2glory]

That just seems like a guy trying to get some clicks. I could have made the exact same claims with zero sources.

 

[TheChosen1]

http://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/1053

Really disheartening update from Mike Frank:

-Maybe an outside DC hire, but an in-house hire wouldn't surprise him

-Maybe some assistant changes. Maybe

-Not sure there will be much change in S&C.

Kelly is a stubborn SOB.

As expected.

 

[Meatloaf]

That just seems like a guy trying to get some clicks. I could have made the exact same claims with zero sources.

Mike Frank is hands down the best source in regards to ND FB. His posts can take a pessimistic bent, but he doesn't usually say anything if he doesn't have evidence to back it up. Also doesn't blow recruiting smoke up your ass like Homer Wiltfong and Pageviews Loy.

 

[Irish Insanity]

There is absolutely no reason to pull for ND to lose next year. BK will still be our coach either way.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Yep... People saying see ya in 2018 when we get a new coach or 2017 is a wasted year.. before the season even starts is not exactly supporting your team

http://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/1053

Really disheartening update from Mike Frank:

-Maybe an outside DC hire, but an in-house hire wouldn't surprise him

-Maybe some assistant changes. Maybe

-Not sure there will be much change in S&C.

Kelly is a stubborn SOB.

Oh...

UPDATE: I knew several ND fans (and they are fans, trust me) who were indifferent as to whether we beat VT. At that point the season was over, and the greater good of ND football success would have been served, in their (plausible) opinion, by dumping Kelly. Even if losing to VT was necessary to achieve that goal, it was obviously not sufficient, alas.

So I think it's one thing to not root for ND to win early in the season, but late in the season, when it is already a disaster, I'm not sure if it really affects one's fan status.

 

[NDPhilly]

From Kelly's perspective, If you were going into a make year would you rather go into it with all new coaches or guys you've been around for years?

 

[NDgradstudent]

From Kelly's perspective, If you were going into a make year would you rather go into it with all new coaches or guys you've been around for years?

How many of "his guys" have been successful here? With a few exceptions, they have ranged from mediocre to awful.

 

[OCIrish]

From Kelly's perspective, If you were going into a make year would you rather go into it with all new coaches or guys you've been around for years?

I'm of the opinion, it doesn't matter who is helping coach this team, he's a big part of the problem, and therefore needs to be gone. Unfortunately, there's not many coaches out there willing to take on this dumpster fire......

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

No one who is actively rooting for a team to lose is supporting that team. I'm not sure if that was what Mrs. Bivin was referring to or not, but I have seen plenty of people, just on this board, express their hopes that the team loses big next year. Just so that they can bask in their smugness, knowing that they were "right" about the coaching staff.

Yes, I totally have noticed that disgusting behaviour as well. Man, if you're a ND fan and you want them to lose to prove you were right about coaching issues, youARE NOT the kind of person I want to talk to nor do I, or anyone for that matter, want to read your posts here.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

No news today it seems....

 

[dad4aa]

I never knew one losing season is a dumpster fire. Curious what is happening on the MSU boards.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I never knew one losing season is a dumpster fire. Curious what is happening on the MSU boards.

Agreed. The Kellly bashing is way out of control. IMO, what we need is a new solid defensive coordinator that will make big changes and get the best players on the field and put our defense in the best position to win. We need changes in our S&C program (not necessarily by firing Longo but changes indeed). We need to sort out our play-calling situation. We need to get back to a run first oriented Offensive scheme. We need better/more consistent play from our OL and QB. We need to make the TE a much bigger part of our pass game which I think will happen with AJ returning. And lastly, we need solid leadership and a stronger identity.
JUST MY OPINION.

 

[Meatloaf]

I never knew one losing season is a dumpster fire. Curious what is happening on the MSU boards.

It is for ND. There is no excuse for being under .500 with the talent we bring in; we are better than this. Your attitude is mediocrity further creeping in to this program. ND as a program>>>>>MSU.

 

[OCIrish]

It is for ND. There is no excuse for being under .500 with the talent we bring in; we are better than this. Your attitude is mediocrity further creeping in to this program. ND as a program>>>>>MSU.

Agreed......no excuse whatsoever, and it's not just this past losing season, it's a culmination of the past 7 seasons and the fact this program isn't making the necessary strides.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

With attrition, lack of playmakers in our defensive front 7 and large amount of true freshman forced into starting/high snap numbers, ND losing 5 games or so is somewhat understandable but I think that some losses were inexcusable. I'd start with Duke. That was embarrassing especially the horrid missed tackles. We should NEVER lose to Navy. The NC State game had extreme weather conditions but the ridiculous amount of passes attempted, especially in red zone situations, was the most ridiculous and embarrassing moment of the year if you ask me. I was also disgusted with our offense, Kizer in particular, in the Stanford game. I would've been much more able to accept say a 7-5 season and we damn well could've had one with some basic football play ie. Wrapping up, running the ball more during a hurricane, controlling the line of scrimmage against a grossly undersized Navy team.

 

[kmoose]

With attrition, lack of playmakers in our defensive front 7 and large amount of true freshman forced into starting/high snap numbers, ND losing 5 games or so is somewhat understandable but I think that some losses were inexcusable. I'd start with Duke. That was embarrassing especially the horrid missed tackles. We should NEVER lose to Navy. The NC State game had extreme weather conditions but the ridiculous amount of passes attempted, especially in red zone situations, was the most ridiculous and embarrassing moment of the year if you ask me. I was also disgusted with our offense, Kizer in particular, in the Stanford game. I would've been much more able to accept say a 7-5 season and we damn well could've had one with some basic football play ie. Wrapping up, running the ball more during a hurricane, controlling the line of scrimmage against a grossly undersized Navy team.

I actually mind a loss to Navy less than a loss to Duke. Navy is consistently one of the best rushing teams in all of D-IA football. That's not by accident, and not because they don't have any talent or athleticism. As an example........... in 2011, Oregon's top 3 rushers were LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, and DeAnthony Thomas. They also had Darron Thomas at QB, who was a very good runner in his own right. This was during the heyday of the Oregon offense. As a team, they averaged 299.21 yards(rushing) per game. That same year, Navy averaged 312.25 yards per game rushing. Navy was a better rushing team than even one of the great Oregon offenses. And Navy couldn't throw the ball to keep the defense honest. As a matter of fact, they averaged only 85.75 yards passing, per game, that season. Navy is undersized, but they are just as athletic as any other team in the country. And they are much more technically proficient than most other teams. They are NOT an "easy out" anymore. We should still beat them every year, but not because they are no good.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I actually mind a loss to Navy less than a loss to Duke. Navy is consistently one of the best rushing teams in all of D-IA football. That's not by accident, and not because they don't have any talent or athleticism. As an example........... in 2011, Oregon's top 3 rushers were LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, and DeAnthony Thomas. They also had Darron Thomas at QB, who was a very good runner in his own right. This was during the heyday of the Oregon offense. As a team, they averaged 299.21 yards(rushing) per game. That same year, Navy averaged 312.25 yards per game rushing. Navy was a better rushing team than even one of the great Oregon offenses. And Navy couldn't throw the ball to keep the defense honest. As a matter of fact, they averaged only 85.75 yards passing, per game, that season. Navy is undersized, but they are just as athletic as any other team in the country. And they are much more technically proficient than most other teams. They are NOT an "easy out" anymore. We should still beat them every year, but not because they are no good.

I agree with a lot of what you said. I do think they are good at running the ball but a lot of their impressive numbers are as a result of running the ball at least 90% of the time. If most teams ran the ball 90% of the time, they'd have huge numbers as well. The fact that we so grossly out match them regarding OL/DL, I don't think they should ever be within 14 points of us at the end of any game. Discipline is Navy's A game as well as scheme, sound tackling and conditioning. I very much respect Navy.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I actually mind a loss to Navy less than a loss to Duke. Navy is consistently one of the best rushing teams in all of D-IA football. That's not by accident, and not because they don't have any talent or athleticism. As an example........... in 2011, Oregon's top 3 rushers were LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, and DeAnthony Thomas. They also had Darron Thomas at QB, who was a very good runner in his own right. This was during the heyday of the Oregon offense. As a team, they averaged 299.21 yards(rushing) per game. That same year, Navy averaged 312.25 yards per game rushing. Navy was a better rushing team than even one of the great Oregon offenses. And Navy couldn't throw the ball to keep the defense honest. As a matter of fact, they averaged only 85.75 yards passing, per game, that season. Navy is undersized, but they are just as athletic as any other team in the country. And they are much more technically proficient than most other teams. They are NOT an "easy out" anymore. We should still beat them every year, but not because they are no good.

and, well coached.

 

[NDinBoston]

I agree with a lot of what you said. I do think they are good at running the ball but a lot of their impressive numbers are as a result of running the ball at least 90% of the time. If most teams ran the ball 90% of the time, they'd have huge numbers as well. The fact that we so grossly out match them regarding OL/DL, I don't think they should ever be within 14 points of us at the end of any game. Discipline is Navy's A game as well as scheme, sound tackling and conditioning. I very much respect Navy.

Navy does run the ball a LOT but it's because they CAN. They aren't just near the top of the country in rushing YPG (#3) but rushing YPP 5.89 (#7). That's pretty impressive when you consider they can't really throw it so everyone knows what they are going to do but still can't stop it.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Navy does run the ball a LOT but it's because they CAN. They aren't just near the top of the country in rushing YPG (#3) but rushing YPP 5.89 (#7). That's pretty impressive when you consider they can't really throw it so everyone knows what they are going to do but still can't stop it.

I agree with your statement and stats. I'm sure a lot of mediocre teams would excell in the same fashion if they pretty much abandoned the pass and ran a Navy style option though. I'm not bad mouthing them. They are effective and efficient.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I never knew one losing season is a dumpster fire. Curious what is happening on the MSU boards.

The problem is there has only been 1 great season, 1 really good season, and the rest mediocre. He isn't being crushed for 1 losing season, he's being crushed for looking like he can't push this program to the top consistently. And his one losing season could've been avoided if there were, what some see as obvious, decisions made differently.

As far as MSU, I know quite a few who are fans and Alumni. The all knew they were overrated pre-season. They all knew this was a lost season. They had no QB ready and not much offensive talent. And they expected the D to take a decent step back.

 

[NDShark]

Didn't know where to put. Do people actually feel good about college football after listening to Lamar Jackson, Jameis Winston, etc? What a god-damned joke.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Didn't know where to put. Do people actually feel good about college football after listening to Lamar Jackson, Jameis Winston, etc? What a god-damned joke.

No doubt! Not to mention Johnny Manziel...plus all previous Hesman winners get to make a vote including OJ Simpson. He actually makes his vote from jail....

 

[bkess8]

Didn't know where to put. Do people actually feel good about college football after listening to Lamar Jackson, Jameis Winston, etc? What a god-damned joke.

How many times did Lamar say man during his speech?

 

[NDShark]

How many times did Lamar say man during his speech?

Your new picture takes me about 5 seconds to register. Anyway, yeah, clearly not too many words to choose from.

 

[bkess8]

Your new picture takes me about 5 seconds to register. Anyway, yeah, clearly not too many words to choose from.

Like or dislike the new avatar?

I want to go back and watch it again to count all of them but I'm not sure I can sit through it again!

 

[texbender]

Didn't know where to put. Do people actually feel good about college football after listening to Lamar Jackson, Jameis Winston, etc? What a god-damned joke.

As I sat watching and trying to decipher what it was he was saying, I couldn't help but wonder what it was he might be majoring in at UL. And to see Johnny Football on stage was about the biggest turnoff you could throw on stage. Not really interested in the event anymore, it reflects a deep decline in the overall state of college football.

 

[BobbyMac]

Didn't know where to put. Do people actually feel good about college football after listening to Lamar Jackson, Jameis Winston, etc? What a god-damned joke.

I'll give Jameis a pass. He reminds me a lot of Barkley at that age. In his case, I don't think your talking about sub standard intellect, I think it's purely deep south lexicon. Plus, Jameis is charismatic like Chuck. I can see him becoming a popular tv fixture, a great smile and a boyish demeanor goes a long way.

As I sat watching and trying to decipher what it was he was saying, I couldn't help but wonder what it was he might be majoring in at UL. And to see Johnny Football on stage was about the biggest turnoff you could throw on stage. Not really interested in the event anymore, it reflects a deep decline in the overall state of college football.

At this point it sounds like Eligibility. He's still undecided... surprise!

 

[texbender]

I'll give Jameis a pass. He reminds me a lot of Barkley at that age. In his case, I don't think your talking about sub standard intellect, I think it's purely deep south lexicon. Plus, Jameis is charismatic like Chuck. I can see him becoming a popular tv fixture, a great smile and a boyish demeanor goes a long way.


At this point it sounds like Eligibility. He's still undecided... surprise!

Wow, a sophomore and still deciding on a major!?! At least get him in a remedial reading and writing class, otherwise his endorsement opportunities will be limited after he goes pro after next year.