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Some supporters of this war said they would draw a line at boots on the ground. How about economic considerations? Is there an economic red line that would make you change your mind? I the situation starts to shut down the supply chain a la covid would that dissuade you? What if we end up spending billions or trillions while we are already facing a struggling economy? Appreciate hearing your perspective.
 

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Some supporters of this war said they would draw a line at boots on the ground. How about economic considerations? Is there an economic red line that would make you change your mind? I the situation starts to shut down the supply chain a la covid would that dissuade you? What if we end up spending billions or trillions while we are already facing a struggling economy? Appreciate hearing your perspective.
No.


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very past president since Bill Clinton, Republican and Democrat alike, has declared that Iran couldn’t be permitted to develop nuclear weapons. Not one acted to prevent it. Every president since Ronald Reagan has condemned Iran’s role in terrorism against American citizens, interests and allies. Not one acted to stop it. Instead each president left his successor with a more dangerous Iran and a more complicated threat to address.

Last June President Trump undertook a limited military operation designed to interrupt Iran’s development of nuclear weapons and discourage the country from continuing its nuclear program. In the face of Iran’s refusal to forswear nuclear weapons and evidence that it was rapidly increasing the number, sophistication and range of its missiles, Mr. Trump began the current military campaign.
If he hadn’t acted, his successor would have been left with an even more dangerous choice than his predecessors left him. Three or four years from now, the Iranian missiles now hitting Iran’s neighbors could be hitting Berlin or London, perhaps even New York or Washington—perhaps with a nuclear device or at least a dirty bomb.

No sensible person wants a war, a president least of all. Wars destroy lives, waste treasure and usually are unpopular. But the widespread hostility to this military action seems untethered to any serious discussion of the merits. What is the alternative?

Obviously, few are prepared to say it is simply to permit religious madmen who swear “death to America” and back up their threats with terrorism to secure nuclear weapons and the capability to deliver them. The scope and scale of Iran’s response show how much its military capabilities have progressed, and how dangerous it would have been to permit them to increase further.

For three decades we have tried everything that each president could think of. We’ve tried being nice, talking tough, moral suasion, negotiated agreement, economic sanctions. None worked. The problem is that there is only one language Iran’s leaders understand.

I understand some of the hostility to Mr. Trump’s action. The isolationist wing of the Republican Party and the pacifist wing of the Democratic Party each are wrapped in the fantasy that we can afford to ignore the capabilities and intentions of enemies because they are thousands of miles away. Two hundred years ago that view was credible. One hundred years ago it was plausible. Today it takes only one missile carrying a nuclear or dirty bomb to get through our defenses, or one such device smuggled into this country, to devastate a city.
I also understand—and deplore—the fringes of both parties that apparently hate Israel and Jews so much that they oppose any action to neutralize Israel’s enemies.

What is harder to understand, and particularly troubling for our country, is opposition rooted simply in antipathy toward Mr. Trump himself. We used to say that politics stops at the water’s edge. That was never completely true; the willingness to bludgeon a president over foreign policy for domestic political gain is as old as Vice President Thomas Jefferson’s attacks on President John Adams. Yet for most of our history we have given the president the benefit of the doubt.

More important, criticisms have historically been based on policy differences over the military action at hand, not knee-jerk opposition to the president himself. Many Republicans supported Mr. Clinton’s military actions and President Obama’s surge in Afghanistan; many Democrats supported President George W. Bush’s actions in Afghanistan and (at least initially) Iraq. More Republicans than Democrats probably supported President Lyndon B. Johnson’s actions in Vietnam.

More important still, even when we believed a president’s actions were misguided, we almost always wanted him to succeed if possible. Some efforts to curtail what the president is doing in Iran seem motivated simply by a desire not to give him a win—even if it means a loss for America.
 

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Some supporters of this war said they would draw a line at boots on the ground. How about economic considerations? Is there an economic red line that would make you change your mind? I the situation starts to shut down the supply chain a la covid would that dissuade you? What if we end up spending billions or trillions while we are already facing a struggling economy? Appreciate hearing your perspective.
No because its not going to come to that. Oil is going to be high for awhile. To me, the trade off for eliminating the most distabalizing regime in the world is more than worth it. A regime that should be clear now to everyone that can not have nuclear weapons.

And I don't draw the line at some boots on the ground for some critical operations.
 

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That tweet is pretty misleading but it does sound like Rubio the next president is getting work done.
Yeah, like so many, there's exaggeration in the tweet, but that doesn't lessen the fact they want to talk.
 

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I mean, I get what he is saying. I guess if you hate him and want it to be sensational.
A toddler can get what he’s saying. It’s the fact that he thought about saying out loud as if people would benefit from hearing it that is hilarious.
 

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He’s on a generational run.


You’re dumb and becoming vastly irrelevant on this board, which is sad because you were not once fun to argue with. He was asked if the straight was operational and when it could be operational again. He answered the question. It’s operational. But obviously there is Iran shooting at them but it’s a process and things take time. What was he supposed to say? Next Tuesday?

In a slow news week of multiple terrorist attacks in the US I know it’s hard to find things to be upset about. But here you are faux outraging over things that don’t matter.
 

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You’re dumb and becoming vastly irrelevant on this board, which is sad because you were not once fun to argue with. He was asked if the straight was operational and when it could be operational again. He answered the question. It’s operational. But obviously there is Iran shooting at them but it’s a process and things take time. What was he supposed to say? Next Tuesday?

In a slow news week of multiple terrorist attacks in the US I know it’s hard to find things to be upset about. But here you are faux outraging over things that don’t matter.

How am I outraged? I posted a clip in which he sounds ridiculous, it’s objectively hilarious. You sound way too sensitive, get that rock out of your sock and mix a water in.
 

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How am I outraged? I posted a clip in which he sounds ridiculous, it’s objectively hilarious. You sound way too sensitive, get that rock out of your sock and mix a water in.
I never said you were outraged. Just the opposite actually, faux outrage is the opposite of outrage. My point is in a heavy news week this is your message. There is room for outage with the recent news week but instead you fill the board with mocking the head of the Dept of War. Tell me what side you’re on without telling me… but “water is wet” and that all you have to say on terrorism in the US.
 

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I never said you were outraged. Just the opposite actually, faux outrage is the opposite of outrage. My point is in a heavy news week this is your message. There is room for outage with the recent news week but instead you fill the board with mocking the head of the Dept of War. Tell me what side you’re on without telling me… but “water is wet” and that all you have to say on terrorism in the US.

Ok, so I'm faux outraging at....what? Got it, so me posting a single post of the guy who's in charge of the war is filling up the thread, and you want to get upset at that. This is now leading to you assuming I support some other side?

Do you even think before posting this dog shit? If I'm to take this dumbass logic, that means Drayer is pro-Taliban because he criticized Biden's Afghan departure. You see how stupid that sounds? You are so sensitive that me posting a jokes clip becomes this big ordeal in which I'm outraged but not outraged and I support the IRGC. I'm posthumously sorry on Kirk's behalf that you looked up to him.
 

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I like what is happening in Cuba of course; its citizens have suffered for way too long. But, Cuba is not Iran.
 

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Trump's AI & Crypto Czar advises the admin to find a way to call the W and cut bait; or, it won't be pretty...

 

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Retired US Army Colonel under GW Bush and former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell sheds a dose of reality on the Iranian conflict.

 

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Trump's AI & Crypto Czar advises the admin to find a way to call the W and cut bait; or, it won't be pretty...


I agree sort of. I’m still not sure what the end game is. He could just leave and call it a W.
 
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Sort of, it’s an example of but it’s obvious you hate the US for whatever reason and all it represents… or once did at least.
So me laughing at Hegseth means I hate the US? Does your rule apply to all administrations or just the one you like? If I criticize or don’t have a positive opinion to share, should I not be allowed to share it?
 
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