Foreign Policy

[Irish#1]

What? The fault is on those that are getting wet at the idea of blowing Palestine off the map.

I brought up skin colour because it's pretty ironic that some people become doves when Russia invaded Ukraine but when it's brown on brown violence in the desert so many people are salivating at the coming destruction.

Nobody brought up skin color but you, but no, it’s the fault of the attackers.

Care to provide a list of those who are doves in regards to the war in Ukraine but are salivating at the coming destruction?

 

[IrishLax]

Intentional to try to bait US / Israel into a conflict they know the “Palestinians” will ultimately lose but for the Iran + Russia + China axis you want to deplete as much focus/money/arms as possible to 1) make it harder to defend Taiwan 2) make it easier to run out the clock on Ukraine.

 

[IrishLax]

Just sad. This is why autocracy never works out even if it starts with “your guy.”

 

[Sea Turtle]

Intentional to try to bait US / Israel into a conflict they know the “Palestinians” will ultimately lose but for the Iran + Russia + China axis you want to deplete as much focus/money/arms as possible to 1) make it harder to defend Taiwan 2) make it easier to run out the clock on Ukraine.

There is that and Iran is determined to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia from making peace and forming an alliance along with the U.S.

Edit: it's now been confirmed that many Americans have been killed in this attack.

 

[drayer54]

What? The fault is on those that are getting wet at the idea of blowing Palestine off the map.

I brought up skin colour because it's pretty ironic that some people become doves when Russia invaded Ukraine but when it's brown on brown violence in the desert so many people are salivating at the coming destruction.

I am just fine blowing Palestine off the map. These people are sick and deserve every punch they get.

I am fine with Biden giving Ukraine the weapons it needs to win and punch Moscow. Weapons, not money.

Give both the intel. People who don't want us to exist should be treated appropriately and NATO is worthless.

 

[calvegas04]

Intentional to try to bait US / Israel into a conflict they know the “Palestinians” will ultimately lose but for the Iran + Russia + China axis you want to deplete as much focus/money/arms as possible to 1) make it harder to defend Taiwan 2) make it easier to run out the clock on Ukraine.

I can see this, Russia could be supporting as well trying to draw attention away from Ukraine

 

[TorontoGold]

Nobody brought up skin color but you, but no, it’s the fault of the attackers.

Care to provide a list of those who are doves in regards to the war in Ukraine but are salivating at the coming destruction?

Don't worry it's not you. Can't get yourself into too much trouble with "Nice one Joe!" or "That's concerning".

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[TorontoGold]

I am just fine blowing Palestine off the map. These people are sick and deserve every punch they get.

I am fine with Biden giving Ukraine the weapons it needs to win and punch Moscow. Weapons, not money.

Give both the intel. People who don't want us to exist should be treated appropriately and NATO is worthless.

Blowing the innocent Palestinians off the map is exactly the kind of shit that leads to terrorist groups like Hamas. Would be really great if Palestinians got any sort rights or representation. Even executing the ones behind the attacks (which they should) as long as conditions don't materially change for the Palestinians you're just going to breed more terrorist groups.

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[Irish#1]

Don't worry it's not you. Can't get yourself into too much trouble with "Nice one Joe!" or "That's concerning".

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Never thought it was me because I’ve been pretty clear on my position with the war in Ukraine. Please share your list instead of a generalized statement. After all you’re the one always insisting on data.

 

[TorontoGold]

Never thought it was me because I’ve been pretty clear on my position with the war in Ukraine. Please share your list instead of a generalized statement. After all you’re the one always insisting on data.

When I'm back at home and can get the exact quotes, I'll make sure to let you know. After all, I am the one who can back up my claims with support and not anecdotes.

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[drayer54]

I trust the WSJ and the hamas leader thanking Iran more than this United States Government.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Fuck Palestine. Fuck Israel. Fuck Iran. Fuck the Saudis. Evil deeds committed by evil regimes. Just another reason why religion is the scourge of humanity. Hopefully they all destroy themselves.

 

[Bluto]

Anyone who is posting how “dirty and underhanded” Hamas is needs to read Rise and Kill First by Rohnen Bergman.

 

[Bluto]

I am just fine blowing Palestine off the map. These people are sick and deserve every punch they get.

I am fine with Biden giving Ukraine the weapons it needs to win and punch Moscow. Weapons, not money.

Give both the intel. People who don't want us to exist should be treated appropriately and NATO is worthless.

Advocating genocide. You’re a real peach. Statements like this show a complete lack of even a basic understanding of the history of the region.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Huge failure by the Israeli intelligence community to get caught off guard on such a historic date. The web of this region will never be untangled. Israel is in a tough position right now due to the hostages and Hamas being able to hide amongst the gen pop. They really put Israel in a tough spot regarding the response. There will be collateral damages but I think that was part of the plan quite frankly.

 

[drayer54]

Blowing the innocent Palestinians off the map is exactly the kind of shit that leads to terrorist groups like Hamas. Would be really great if Palestinians got any sort rights or representation. Even executing the ones behind the attacks (which they should) as long as conditions don't materially change for the Palestinians you're just going to breed more terrorist groups.

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The Palestinians seem to have six representatives in the US House of Representatives, the former Biden envoy to Iran, and some rallies around the US.

When people launch a raid with rape, torture, murder, and the tactics used by Hamas, they must be met with an overwhelming return of force. They have kids in dog kennels, raped women being stomped on the streets, parading bodies of people who were pulled from their homes and are launching strikes from civilian areas. Israel warned civilians to leave certain areas, but what do you really expect them to do when facing a multi-front assault with thousands of rockets descending on them? Maybe people who parade the naked corpses of women around in the street so the kids and old ladies can come to whack them with a stick don’t deserve freedom or autonomy.


20 years of war on terror to get this in our streets. Yes, this sort of thing does breed more terrorists and will surely excite some crazy Pro-Palestinians on our own soil. We've lost any control over who comes to our soil under this administration, and the likelihood of a Hamas sympathizer attack here is significant now. However, these people are terrorists right now. They should be treated as such.

 

[Irish#1]

When I'm back at home and can get the exact quotes, I'll make sure to let you know. After all, I am the one who can back up my claims with support and not anecdotes.

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"Anecdote" is that your new favorite word?

 

[Irish#1]

 

[TorontoGold]

Never thought it was me because I’ve been pretty clear on my position with the war in Ukraine. Please share your list instead of a generalized statement. After all you’re the one always insisting on data.

Ok - see below for bolded parts that read as dove like statements.

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Wanted to share this because I wanted to give props to some of your good posts in that thread. Can we get a Bobby vs #1 debate?

Democrats said we couldn't afford $12 billion for a border wall to help keep illegals out of this country, but they've approved over $121 billion to help keep Russians supposedly out of Ukraine. Meanwhile we've got thousands at the border and some already in Texas that are just waiting for Title 42 to expire so they can flood the system.

Nobody wants to see Russia win, but there's a lot of questions of the cost of a proxy war, especially when we have our own problems at home. $12 billion was too much for a wall to help slow illegal immigration, but we've sent $120 billion to another country to slow the Russians? Some politicians and former military like Tulsi Gabbard have questioned if Ukraine can really turn back the Russians fully even with military equipment being brought in, it's a numbers game at the end of the day. Russia has more than 3 times the population and should have the military advantage.

There's been a lot of conflicting reports on Russian movement, Ukrainian resistance as they push back, conflict lines moving back and forth, etc. It makes one question if the reports are accurate, or if the media has been playing up the recent Ukrainian wins to keep tax payers from losing confidence in their dollars being given away. I truly hope they are bleeding Russia dry, because every Russian loss puts Putin in a worse position.

So if Shoigu and Gerasimov are incompetent and getting Russians slaughtered, don’t we want Wagner destroyed? Or we just cheering for an all out brawl here?

 

[drayer54]

Ok - see below for bolded parts that read as dove like statements.


Wanted to share this because I wanted to give props to some of your good posts in that thread. Can we get a Bobby vs #1 debate?

I was asking what the best outcome was of Russian infighting. Perghozin vs Shoigu. Russians shooting at each other and destabilizing their forces seemed like a good option.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Over 800 confirmed dead, including 9 Americans.

750 still missing.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[calvegas04]

Egypt is saying that is false

 

[ulukinatme]

Ok - see below for bolded parts that read as dove like statements.


Wanted to share this because I wanted to give props to some of your good posts in that thread. Can we get a Bobby vs #1 debate?

I'm confused, why are you taking mine and drayer's quotes to respond to Irish#1?

[EDIT] I don't get wet at the idea of war, but I also don't enjoy the idea of throwing away money or trying to solve impossible problems in other countries when we have our own issues. If we have a path to victory in Ukraine that would be great, but I'm not so certain that's the case and we may just be prolonging things. Former military question how long we can keep up this proxy war.

FWIW I'd still love to see Russia see justice and driven out, but Putin doesn't seem to be backing down a bit. From recent comments in a CNN article yesterday he's banking on support for Ukraine dwindling and if it does he thinks they take the country in a week's time once their supplies run out. If the war truly is unwinnable, are we throwing resources at a lost cause? Based on timeline maps Ukraine retook all the northern lands that were initially lost at the start, but they've made virtually little progress east and south since November of last year. We've already seen some European fatigue towards the war, if they pull support I can't see us being able to keep Ukraine afloat solo.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Sea Turtle]

They've already begun beheading hostages.

Hamas 'worse than ISIS' as terrorists 'behead Israeli soldiers' in sick footage

Hamas has been denounced as "savages, animals, butchers" as Israel unleashes strikes on Gaza in response to the attack.

www.the-express.com

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Blowing the innocent Palestinians off the map is exactly the kind of shit that leads to terrorist groups like Hamas. Would be really great if Palestinians got any sort rights or representation. Even executing the ones behind the attacks (which they should) as long as conditions don't materially change for the Palestinians you're just going to breed more terrorist groups.

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Maybe...if the bad guys keep getting executed, their friends/ neighbors, future generations might take note and reconsider their career options. And if not, it's their problem. Keep punishing these cockroaches.

 

[ulukinatme]

In recent years Israel has typically not been firing into civilian Palestinian locations as an aggressor. The problem is often that Hamas uses these locations to launch their own attacks first. Israel doesn't always retaliate, but eventually when you poke the bear enough times in this manner you're going to get a response as they defend themselves. It then helps fuel their propaganda machine "See? They attack our women and children!"

 

[Irish#1]

Ok - see below for bolded parts that read as dove like statements.


Wanted to share this because I wanted to give props to some of your good posts in that thread. Can we get a Bobby vs #1 debate?

Pretty much what I expected. I don't see those statements as being doves concerning the Ukrainian war and calling for a wipe out of brown people in Gaza. What I read, is questioning the amount of funds, not the position on the Ukrainian war. Pretty lame attempt at calling some racists in a round about way.

 

[Irish#1]

Listening to the radio, they noted that Biden was done working today and that Obama's Twitter feed has went silent on this attack. He usually has something to say. Makes me wonder if Biden is conferring with Obama on next steps?