Floyd News

[Bogtrotter07]

This whole thing is simple. We are not involved so we can make things easy. Not to worry. Not to judge.

Res life used to take the long switch approach. Just like this priest that used to be at our parish. He missed me (after) my kids (before). Turns out he was one of 'em. So much for punishment. It never worked.

I feel as if the same authorities that were so admant about punishing me on the way up felt as if these monsters should get a free ride. I didn't get involved or judge. Had it been me or my kids, I made my decision about what I'd have done. I would have shot him in the head.

So that's it. If you are not involved, don't get involved. Don't judge. Let things work out let people live and grow. If Floyd fails now, so will Kelly, and he will be gone.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I don't believe, correct me if I am wrong, that anyone really knows what is going on here, or what, if any, personal demons Mike has.

Speculating that Mike is spiraling down a road of selfdestruction is a HUGE assumption that has no merit, and is based on some "pattern of behavior" that keeps getting typed all over the boards.

Does anyone consider that he is a normal college kid who drinks alcohol, and made a really stupid decision? If everyone who drank and drove was spiraling out of control and needed a intervention then man...we'd have a lot of unstable people running around.

Mike made a mistake that millions of people make a year, and he got caught. No more. No less.

Should he be punished and miss a game or two? Yea probably should be, and probably will.

Should he be punished by the righteous because he is a football star? Absolutely not.

I'd be more upset if ND acted as a reaction to the "higher standard" bull**** that the media throws around.

Make he go to AA meetings, volunteer in ER's...etc. He'll be so annoyed after having to put those hours in, he won't do it again.

 

[SLCIRISH]

Posters are so quick to judge others, what if it was their kid with the problem? Does it make more sense to punish or help him? A DUI is all a matter of the individual, not ours to play God with. Any body who criticizes the staff and the University on this matter are just ignorant, WE DO NOT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY.

So all of you who want him suspended, dont cheer when he catches passes against S. Florida or MIchigan, when he score TDs this season, get up and leave. Me? I will cheer very hard for this kid, drinking is a disease, and he needs to be cured not fried.

Oh and I guess everyone is perfect, if I get a DUI, should I be fired from my job? They give me tuition reimbursement for my college classes?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Oh and I guess everyone is perfect, if I get a DUI, should I be fired from my job? They give me tuition reimbursement for my college classes?

Yes, you should be suspended from participating in staff lunch activites for 5 days.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Oh and I guess everyone is perfect, if I get a DUI, should I be fired from my job? They give me tuition reimbursement for my college classes?

Who is saying anyone is perfect? Nobody.

But guess what...if you mess up, there are consequences. If you screw up big time, there are worse consequences. Welcome to the real world. Missing a game of football is NOWHERE near as dire as being fired from a job. That's a bad comparison.

Keep this in mind - when these things happen at other universities, we are quick to admonish them at their lack of suspensions and always joke about their "one series suspension vs. The Citadel" - and now look at the excuses some of us are giving on why Floyd, after his arrest and 2 citations involving alcohol, should be allowed to play.

I've already stated, if Kelly were to reinstate him w/out him losing any games b/c he feels Floyd has served enough punishment...cool. And if he suspends him for a game or two and he feels that is what the crime deserves, then cool also. The ONLY one to blame here is Floyd himself. For ND's football team's sake I hope he plays right away. For my sake, I hope he plays right away (got tix for the opener). But I don't see how anyone can complain if he gets a one or 2 game suspension. He was the one who chose to get behind the wheel after getting wasted - even though the entire city of South Bend would have driven him home. If Kelly feels he has to pay more, then so be it. Time for our other 4 and 5 star players to step up...

EDIT: Oh, and I have a DUI, and I deserved every punishment I got and probably worse.

 

[DillonHall]

Posters are so quick to judge others, what if it was their kid with the problem? Does it make more sense to punish or help him? A DUI is all a matter of the individual, not ours to play God with. Any body who criticizes the staff and the University on this matter are just ignorant, WE DO NOT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY.

So all of you who want him suspended, dont cheer when he catches passes against S. Florida or MIchigan, when he score TDs this season, get up and leave. Me? I will cheer very hard for this kid, drinking is a disease, and he needs to be cured not fried.

Oh and I guess everyone is perfect, if I get a DUI, should I be fired from my job? They give me tuition reimbursement for my college classes?

I can't believe how people are letting their selfishness get in the way of their judgment. If you commit a crime, then you should be punished. BTW, punishment and helping are not mutually exclusive. You only learn from your mistakes if you pay the consequences.

 

[IrishLax]

I can't believe how people are letting their selfishness get in the way of their judgment. If you commit a crime, then you should be punished. BTW, punishment and helping are not mutually exclusive. You only learn from your mistakes if you pay the consequences.

I'm sorry but... to play Devil's advocate here... isn't that the whole point of the civil laws against DUIs? And isn't he still subject to those? So how exactly is he not "paying the consequences" like any other driver who commits a DUI?

 

[DillonHall]

I'm sorry but... to play Devil's advocate here... isn't that the whole point of the civil laws against DUIs? And isn't he still subject to those? So how exactly is he not "paying the consequences" like any other driver who commits a DUI?

Many people face other consequences (people can be punished by their employer or school for getting a DUI).

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm sorry but... to play Devil's advocate here... isn't that the whole point of the civil laws against DUIs? And isn't he still subject to those? So how exactly is he not "paying the consequences" like any other driver who commits a DUI?

The civil laws are there and they punish you. But there is more punishment for everyone, not just athletes. You could lose your job, or be suspended, and that has nothing to do with the courts. Your wife could hold out sex, or divorce you, and that has nothing to do with the courts. Later in life, you could apply for a job and not get it b/c of your DUI, and that has nothing to do with the courts. There are lots of punishments out there that have nothing to do with civil laws. When Floyd got his scholarship and signed that document, it gave the school a certain authority that has nothing to do with the courts. They have every right to punish Floyd further...

 

[johnnykillz]

This is getting so ridiculously redundant; I feel like punching myself for reading this ****.

He's coming back early fellas. Get over the backseat driving: No suspended games, and mucho touchdowns.

He dealt with Res Life. He was suspended all Spring. That was his punishment OTHER than legal ramifications.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Scout.com: All Theresa Romero Could Do Was Cry

Read it if you want to.

Just another twist.

NDinL.A., you and I have done similar thingsys.

 

[IrishLax]

Many people face other consequences (people can be punished by their employer or school for getting a DUI).

You're they can face extra... and the extent of those consequences is dependent on your situation. For instance, I'd lose my secret clearance if I got a DUI.

But people acting like Michael Floyd is getting off scott free if Kelly doesn't suspend him for X amount of games or whatever need to look at the big picture. In no way, shape or form will he be avoiding his due punishments.

As for football matters, the coach should run the team how he wants. Some people, like Dantonio at MSU, don't punish anyone ever... so it fosters lots of poor decision making because of the apparent lack of consequences. Some schools, like BYU, are on the other end of the spectrum.

Whatever Brian Kelly decides to do on top of the punishment already levied by ResLife is fine by me. It will be the 3rd tier of punishment Mike will have to deal with. He knows the University will not tolerate Notre Dame turning into Alabama or "The U" or Michigan State... and I'm sure he will give out whatever punishment he thinks is in the best interest of the team, the best interest of Mike and the best interest of himself as the coach.

 

[Bmac020211]

NDinL.A.

Haha, put down the espresso. My guess is that you never played college football and consequently, I don't expect you to understand my perspective. My post was solely in relation to the context and comparison of what really goes on behind the scenes of other winning college football programs (something we all want a lot more of). In that regard, IT IS A ONE! Players get away with soooo much worse and that is not about to change. You just don't hear about most of it until the discipline comes from outside the institution. I've seen it over and over again and I'm only speaking the truth, pure and simple. If we want Notre Dame to hold players to a higher standard than our foes, as they seemingly have since Lou left, then we are more likely to watch a mediocre product on the field, as our stars sit out, transfer, or ultimately sign somewhere else. Tolerance is a part (albeit small) of the process of winning. We have to be on the same, or similar playing field as the rest of the big boys.

Consistently winning with the best athletes takes a coach that understands that we are not all given the same guidance and support in our youth. Many college athletes learn their first real world lessons when they step onto a college campus. For those that are mostly worried about Mike; keeping him active, and on the team, is the best thing for him. In Kelly I trust and I know he gets IT!

On a lighter note and because you would love to know: Beating a woman a two? I would actually say a seven. Murder/OJ a five/seven? I would have to give those, because they are the same thing, a nine. Wow! Your priorities are COMPLETELY out of whack!

 

[IrishLax]

The civil laws are there and they punish you. But there is more punishment for everyone, not just athletes. You could lose your job, or be suspended, and that has nothing to do with the courts. Your wife could hold out sex, or divorce you, and that has nothing to do with the courts. Later in life, you could apply for a job and not get it b/c of your DUI, and that has nothing to do with the courts. There are lots of punishments out there that have nothing to do with civil laws. When Floyd got his scholarship and signed that document, it gave the school a certain authority that has nothing to do with the courts. They have every right to punish Floyd further...

We totally agree. And whatever that punishment is I will totally support. There are just a lot of people in this thread who do not see the big picture and are making a lot of statements to the effect what we "should" do or what is "fair"... and NO ONE on here knows a tenth of the facts or the intricacies of the situation. Just very annoying to me putting myself in the shoes of anyone on the team, not to mention Mike.

I still remember all of the message board BS from the Will Yeatman saga a couple years ago... and this is so eerily similar except that more people care. ResLife has already handed down their punishment, now people should let the courts and Kelly do their thing and stop being so gosh darn preachy.

 

[johnnykillz]

NDinL.A.

Haha, put down the espresso. My guess is that you never played college football and consequently, I don't expect you to understand my perspective. Your priorities are COMPLETELY out of whack!

These are of the personally offensive variety of writing to avoid.

In fact, regardless of how constructive your intent with the submission truly was, anyone that reads correctly has now turned off the listen button and secured any leaking gas lines...

You just flamed.

Congrats, you're a flamer.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Did you ever have a beer when you were in your 20s? Were you already world famous and have your vacation filmed on nationwide internet? He has already been suspended from football.

"Make an example of him?" Folks sometimes beg for righteousness, to the point of self righteousness, yet demand "making an example" of someone, so that internet posters will not complain? Well, may those self righteous ones should be made an example of. On the World Wide Web.

Hell, I was cited for "running a stop sign." The officer wrote on the ticket "Traveling less than one mile an hour through an intersection." He then described my vehicle as "blue" (it was white) and on the ticket he wrote an address that was two miles west.

He did not show up for court.

Luke 18:9-14 (New International Version)

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

This^ this^ and um THIS^!!! Could not agree more with you, mate!
Didn't me and you both already post similar things after the Res Life decision?
I can't stand it when someone only wants to judge someone else for the sake of their own self righteousness, when they have no idea what really is the right thing to do.

No need to get personal. I am just stating my opinion that is obviously against yours. Im just saying this is nit this guys first offense. Yes it may be best for his future to play this whole season. That way he can really showcase his talent and move on to a nice spot in the NFL. But think of the future of the family without a mom or a dad. A set of parents who lost their kid all because he decides to do this again and ends up killing someone. Am I Brian Kelly? no Am I a big shot at ND? no Am I someone who knows Floyd personally? no I just an onlooker who has seen his past seen how it was handled and seen where it got him. This is my opinion and why I believe it. If you dont like it give me your side and we can discuss it on this "discussion board" There is no reason to get personal.

As posted, I didn't get personal. My opinion vs yours, nothing more, mate.
I'm not talking about his NFL future or showcasing his talent when I say it might be best for him to play.
Imagine this, he gets suspended for 2+ games. His team loses one of them, obviously he will blame himself and feel horrible. What is the normal reaction to depression, especially of someone with a record of drinking? Drinking. He drives, he than kills someone as you say. How do you think Kelly would feel? Do you think he would have made the right decision?
Don't you think the support of his best friends/teammates, coaches and doing the thing he loves most would HELP him with his addiction (if it is such) rather than leaving him doing...nothing?
I am discussing it on this discussion board and I am not getting personal.

This is getting so rediculously redundant; I feel like punching myself for reading this ****.

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[Bmac020211]

so when I am called out, I cannot respond? Interesting cut and paste job. You must not have read the post that I am responding to.

 

[johnnykillz]

so when I am called out, I cannot respond? Interesting cut and paste job. You must not have read the post that I am responding to.

I tried to get past the offensive stuff, and then I gave up.

I think you must have been a professional athlete from what I gathered...

 

[Bmac020211]

Read the history before you call someone a flamer.

 

[johnnykillz]

Read the history before you call someone a flamer.

In which history would that pertain, exactly chief?

Have you not gathered my intent was clear, aka, " A spade, a spade..."?

 

[DillonHall]

You're they can face extra... and the extent of those consequences is dependent on your situation. For instance, I'd lose my secret clearance if I got a DUI.

But people acting like Michael Floyd is getting off scott free if Kelly doesn't suspend him for X amount of games or whatever need to look at the big picture. In no way, shape or form will he be avoiding his due punishments.

As for football matters, the coach should run the team how he wants. Some people, like Dantonio at MSU, don't punish anyone ever... so it fosters lots of poor decision making because of the apparent lack of consequences. Some schools, like BYU, are on the other end of the spectrum.

Whatever Brian Kelly decides to do on top of the punishment already levied by ResLife is fine by me. It will be the 3rd tier of punishment Mike will have to deal with. He knows the University will not tolerate Notre Dame turning into Alabama or "The U" or Michigan State... and I'm sure he will give out whatever punishment he thinks is in the best interest of the team, the best interest of Mike and the best interest of himself as the coach.

I think we're mostly on the same page; I'm totally fine with whatever Kelly decides to do because I trust his judgment. The only problem is when people base their reason for not suspending Michael on the welfare of the team. It sucks that his absence would hurt not only himself but also the team; however, that should be irrelevant in what Kelly does. Otherwise, we're just putting football ahead of everything else.

 

[DillonHall]

As posted, I didn't get personal. My opinion vs yours, nothing more, mate.
I'm not talking about his NFL future or showcasing his talent when I say it might be best for him to play.
Imagine this, he gets suspended for 2+ games. His team loses one of them, obviously he will blame himself and feel horrible. What is the normal reaction to depression, especially of someone with a record of drinking? Drinking. He drives, he than kills someone as you say. How do you think Kelly would feel? Do you think he would have made the right decision?
Don't you think the support of his best friends/teammates, coaches and doing the thing he loves most would HELP him with his addiction (if it is such) rather than leaving him doing...nothing?
I am discussing it on this discussion board and I am not getting personal.

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Speaking of ridiculous... that's a wild imagination you have...

 

[Bmac020211]

My response fits comfortably into the category of, "flaming as a result of emotional discussions." I was referring to the history of the thread, not the meaning of the word. Haha, this is ridiculous.

 

[IrishInFl]

My response fits comfortably into the category of, "flaming as a result of emotional discussions." I was referring to the history of the thread, not the meaning of the word. Haha, this is ridiculous.

Dude, everything is ridiculous during the off-season.

 

[Bmac020211]

Haha,

Gay I am not and thanks for the apology. I don't like to name names, and I won't make a habit of it, but I felt I had to once called out. I've been reading this board for years and finally joined. I see that there are a lot of smart*** SOBs on here. I like it!

 

[johnnykillz]

How many touchdowns will Floyd score this year?

(Feeble attempt to get back on task...)

 

[IrishInFl]

How many touchdowns will Floyd score this year?

(Feeble attempt to get back on task...)

Infinite, plus 1.

 

[NDinL.A.]

NDinL.A.

Haha, put down the espresso. My guess is that you never played college football and consequently, I don't expect you to understand my perspective. My post was solely in relation to the context and comparison of what really goes on behind the scenes of other winning college football programs (something we all want a lot more of). In that regard, IT IS A ONE! Players get away with soooo much worse and that is not about to change. You just don't hear about most of it until the discipline comes from outside the institution. I've seen it over and over again and I'm only speaking the truth, pure and simple. If we want Notre Dame to hold players to a higher standard than our foes, as they seemingly have since Lou left, then we are more likely to watch a mediocre product on the field, as our stars sit out, transfer, or ultimately sign somewhere else. Tolerance is a part (albeit small) of the process of winning. We have to be on the same, or similar playing field as the rest of the big boys.

Consistently winning with the best athletes takes a coach that understands that we are not all given the same guidance and support in our youth. Many college athletes learn their first real world lessons when they step onto a college campus. For those that are mostly worried about Mike; keeping him active, and on the team, is the best thing for him. In Kelly I trust and I know he gets IT!

On a lighter note and because you would love to know: Beating a woman a two? I would actually say a seven. Murder/OJ a five/seven? I would have to give those, because they are the same thing, a nine. Wow! Your priorities are COMPLETELY out of whack!

No espresso, no coffee, never had a drop in my life, but thanks anyway.

Sooooooo, what are your credentials? Where did you play? What position? You know so much that goes on, so much so that getting completely plastered and and getting behind the wheel is a 'one' on a 10 scale, then why not give us a bit more than some random "I drive a Dodge Stratus!!!" statement which anyone can say?

You're acting like Floyd has never been in trouble with alcohol before. You're acting as if you know exactly what is going on in his life and in BK's mind just because you allegedly played D1 football, and apparently at a big-time winner because you know exactly what goes on in those programs. You state that Floyd would be better off keeping on the team (who said that he should be kicked off?) - you really think missing a game would ruin his life? If that was the case then he's so far gone that he's beyond BK's help. Sh!t, LaGarrett Blunt lived a tougher life than Floyd, got suspended for most of the season, and still came back and helped his team and is flourishing as a pro. And his team got to the Rose Bowl without him.

And as for ND being a big-time program and therefore we need to keep Floyd on the field at all time - let me be as clear as possible: If we can't beat South Florida, at home, with our defense, then we are NOWHERE NEAR being an elite program. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing you played D1 college football if you can't see that.

And like I said, I'm cool with whatever BK decides. I can why BK would suspend him for a game and I could see why he'd reinstate him immediately, because I'M NOT THERE and neither are you, and we don't know what Floyd is doing/not doing behind the scenes. But to think ND has to go all SEC in order to win is ludicrous - ResLife has taken major steps in the right direction; the SEC way though...aka Florida and their police blotter, will never fly at ND and thank God for that.

Still waiting for you to give your own examples on your ridiculous scale of 1-10.

 

[koonja]

I think everyone's over-dramatizing the 'BK will punish him accordingly'. Let's not forget the criminal justice aspect of Mike's dui... The courts don't just fine someone and hand them their keys back... The courts use multiple aspects to deter someone from re-committing in the same ways. For instance, Floyd will get ~$1,000 in fines, lose his license, and be required to take a class (I'm guestimating here). If he does all of that and satisfys the legal aspect, I think that's deterence enough. Let's not act like BK has a huge decision on his hands. If Mike does and says the right things from here on out, let him play.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Once upon a time in West Virginia there were a bunch of guys who liked to holler at one another at the top of their lungs. The rest of the people got the sheriff to take them up the crick valley and let it out there [this, by the way, is why such hollows are called "hollers" in the Mountain State].

Now most of the people had been having a bad enough time down at the bottom of the holler with bad water due to mine run-off. But this endless pizzing contest ran down to its "level" [as is the nature of such things] and added to the pollution.

Things were rough and no end in sight. Sheriff Ike Too-Mean Broadwater just shook his head: " like they say, if it ain't mine'un it's your'un."

The sound of one hand clapping.