Floyd cited for underaged drinking

[BGIF]

Don't know if this point was made earlier, but remember Clausen had a few problems with alcohol and being caught. With that being said, I think this is a non-story as a football fan even though the school and program must punish him somehow.

I recall a cell phone photo of him holding a red plastic drinking cup. Don't recall ever reading about an analysis of the contents nor a BAC. Do you?

I could be wrong but I don't recall reading about Clausen and ResLife incidents. Do you have details for your allegations of a "few problems with alcohol and being caught"?

 

[DKSchrute]

This whole thing is a big nothing. College kid drinking at a party. BFD. I couldve been cited for that about 100 times any given weekend.

And please lets not give the big ivory tower "but this is Notre Dame" crap. Its a college kid with a beer at a party.

Bust his ass in practice for it however Kelly sees fit and move on.

 

[BGIF]

This whole thing is a big nothing. College kid drinking at a party. BFD. I couldve been cited for that about 100 times any given weekend.

And please lets not give the big ivory tower "but this is Notre Dame" crap. Its a college kid with a beer at a party.

Bust his ass in practice for it however Kelly sees fit and move on.

Well you've confirmed you're clueless.

 

[DKSchrute]

Well you've confirmed you're clueless.

How so?

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

This whole thing is a big nothing. College kid drinking at a party. BFD. I couldve been cited for that about 100 times any given weekend.

And please lets not give the big ivory tower "but this is Notre Dame" crap. Its a college kid with a beer at a party.

Bust his ass in practice for it however Kelly sees fit and move on.

What he said!

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

And I guess I am "clueless" too. Oh well...

 

[DKSchrute]

And I guess I am "clueless" too. Oh well...

I really only see one person giving the big "this is Notre Dame" speech. I wish people would get off of that rhetoric once and for all.

Of course the standards are higher, thats been established and talked about ad nauseum. Frankly it has become Notre Dames crutch to justify mediocrity lately.

You dont have to suspend Michael Floyd for a year over drinking at a party to show everyone that Notre Dame is tough. You make the punishment fit the crime, in this case you bust his ass in practice until he pukes a few times and we all move on.

If it was a serious offense like a DUI then I have no problem with a long suspension. I would hope all universities felt this way.

 

[BGIF]

Notre Dame AD comments on Floyd situation

Notre Dame AD comments on Floyd situation

<ABBR class=published title=2010-01-13T22:16:05-06:00>January 13, 2010 </ABBR>


Notre Dame AD comments on Floyd situation - Chicago Breaking Sports

The South Bend Tribune reports: Notre Dame Athletic director Jack Swarbrick commented about the Michael Floyd situation. Floyd was cited for underage consumption of alcohol after his involvement in a fight on Jan. 8.
"It's one of the byproducts of being a student-athlete. There are students at this university who go home for break, and something happens that never becomes known.
"There's a good side of fame and notoriety, and there's the bad side. And this is a case and situation where that circumstance for virtually any other student wouldn't be known or reported. But because he is who he is, it attracts attention."

Interesting commentary.

It is a true statement that the non athlete wouldn't be considered newsworthy by the media and any incidents would most likely go unnoticed. Is Swarbrick lobbying on behalf of the the athletes?

S.O.P to a question on an specific student is to respond with "that's a University matter we don't discuss individual students". You'll find that in statements by Weis and predecesors.

 

[DKSchrute]

<ABBR class=published title=2010-01-13T22:16:05-06:00>January 13, 2010 </ABBR>


Notre Dame AD comments on Floyd situation - Chicago Breaking Sports



Interesting commentary.

It is a true statement that the non athlete wouldn't be considered newsworthy by the media and any incidents would most likely go unnoticed. Is Swarbrick lobbying on behalf of the the athletes?

S.O.P to a question on an specific student is to respond with "that's a University matter we don't discuss individual students". You'll find that in statements by Weis and predecesors.

Ummm, I think Jack is also saying "BFD" -because its a big nothing. Its equal to a speeding ticket. We all do it, some get caught, some dont.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Res Life is something all students, not just athletes are made very aware of at the beginning of Freshman year. That said, there is precedent for first offense with alcohol to not bring much more than a don't do that again (e.g., see M. Golic, Jr.). Subsequent offenses, DUI or DWI, or use of controlled substances seems to be dealt with much more harshly even with a first offense.

The wild card here is the "fight." I haven't seen more details about this but that would seem to be the one thing that would worry me about the incident. Violence and alcohol could raise the ante.

The good Fathers, most of the faculty and much of the student body believe it when they say "We are ND." It is the same whether you are on campus, on the town or anywhere around the world. The nature of the place and the responsibility that goes with the privelege of being a part of it goes with you.

As much as it may make it more difficult to field NC teams, it is one of the things that makes Our Lady's University different in the both the world of big time academic institutions and big time college sports. Mr. Kelly seems to have bought in when he talks about the whole community being able to be proud of the gentlemen who will be suiting up for us on Saturdays.

I hope #3 was in self defense mode and he won't get more than a minor punishment from the Res Life gang. I still think BK is the one he needs to worry about more.

You still gotta kick some ass. Things have to mesh. Are professors held accountable for humping the ladies? And yes, I confessed. Lil while ago. I said bad words to my sister.

 

[BGIF]

Ummm, I think Jack is also saying "BFD" -because its a big nothing. Its equal to a speeding ticket. We all do it, some get caught, some dont.

Once again you demonstrate you're cluelessness.


It's not your sense of values or what you did in your life.

This IS Notre Dame. Your irritation at that expression confirms your ignorance.

Did you bother reading any of the thread or just jump in with youR two cents of irrelevant personal experience?

At the bottom of the news article in the first post was a key sentence you won't find in an article about a football player at Illinois, Alabama, or Southern Call. I know of only 5 institutions in Div 1 where it would apply ND, BYU, and the Academies.

Notre Dame had no immediate comment when contacted by the Tribune, though the matter likely will be referred to the Office of Residence Life.

Why would a news site include such a statement?

They didn't mention it would be referred to Kelly although you erronously think it should. They would have written Zook, Saban, or Kiffin had he been a student at their institutions. But he isn't.

Your "Ivory Tower" comment once again you show your cluelessness. Notre Dame's Office of Residential Life is the Ivoriest of Towers. Where were you for the Yeatman Saga? Fauria?

PapaIrish noted the student handbook/code of conduct. I cited several incidents with ND student athletes and the outcomes. Another poster also discusses ResLife experiences. It's not what you or I or anyone else irrelevant did somewhere else. It's not about those that didn't get caught.

Like it or not ND isn't da U. ND coach deals with athletic issues. ResLife deals with Student issues.

Have you missed the toughing stand on tailgating that the ND Administration has undertaken the past few years or do you just watch the games and read the boxscores?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Kind of similar but the significant difference was Shark wasn't an ND student at the time.

Floyd wasn't a student at the time. School wasn't in session and he was far away.

BigIF. Finest poster on here. Are you Res-Life?

 

[devolg]

Who deals the punishment is not really the issue here. Making a big deal over a college kid getting popped for underage consumption is.

 

[connor_in]

The thing here to remember guys is that this is a part of Notre Dame and has been so for quite a while. If you are a current ND student anywhere in the world the Res_Life rules apply to you. On this thread it has been shown what that means as far as examples of punishment. Res_Life is the body that will decide the punishment and not the football coach, AD, or anyone else will have a say on the matter. When you go there, you agree to their rules and thier administration of the rules. Those punishments have been harsh in the past and we are fearful they will be harsh here. The main thing to look for is the timing of said punishment.

 

[Riddickulous]

Floyd wasn't a student at the time. School wasn't in session and he was far away.

BigIF. Finest poster on here. Are you Res-Life?

Floyd, no matter where he is or what time of the year it is, is considered a Notre Dame student until the day he graduates. BGIF explained this earlier in the thread.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Who deals the punishment is not really the issue here. Making a big deal over a college kid getting popped for underage consumption is.

This. 1000 times this. There is no logical reason why Floyd would get punished for this.

 

[Riddickulous]

I'm getting more and more worried that Michael Floyd won't be playing next season. At all.

 

[chyrspchuck]

I'm getting more and more worried that Michael Floyd won't be playing next season. At all.

RPN got a dui and was only suspended 8 games, no way in hell floyd misses the whole season.....

 

[briankaneb]

I recall a cell phone photo of him holding a red plastic drinking cup. Don't recall ever reading about an analysis of the contents nor a BAC. Do you?

I could be wrong but I don't recall reading about Clausen and ResLife incidents. Do you have details for your allegations of a "few problems with alcohol and being caught"?

Read this story. Some quotations:

"“The office of Residence Life will investigate possible violations of university policies when it is made aware of them, such as in this case,” Notre Dame school spokesman Dennis Brown said Monday."--Proves there were problems

“I used bad judgment in being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I’ve learned from my mistake,” Clausen said during his first media appearance after the citation in August 2007.--Proves he admitted that he did drink, get caught, and he actually had to apologize in public

 

[BGIF]

RPN got a dui and was only suspended 8 games, no way in hell floyd misses the whole season.....

RPN's suspension was NOT issued for 8 games. At ND ResLife suspends people from all Student Activities for a semester. At the time it was imposed several games had already been played. The games he didn't get to play in may be totaled 8 but he did not get an 8 game suspension.

The semester suspension was the reason why he couldn't play in a bowl game. If you recall back then, Weis at a press conference prior to the bowl game noted that RPN would be available for the bowl game. A day or two later Weis issued a clarification that he had misspoke as he (Weis) had assumed that since school was out prior to the bowl games tjhat the bowl game would be in the following semester. He was advised that was incorrect and that the next semester started AFTER the bowl games so RPN would NOT be available as he would still be serving the ResLife imposed semester suspension.

In Cerasani's case about 10 years earlier his suspension did not go into effect until the NEXT semester after his hearing. Cerasani tried to have the suspension run during the Spring Semester. Had Cerasani's suspension been enforced in the Spring semester he would have been able to play as a Senior and would not have transferred out in anger.

 

[BGIF]

Who deals the punishment is not really the issue here. Making a big deal over a college kid getting popped for underage consumption is.

Who deals the punishment is exactly the issue.

Had he been a student at FSU or OU he might have to run the stadium steps if anything. At Notre Dame a student/faculty group conducts a hearing and renders judgement. The coach has zero involvement.

 

[BGIF]

Read this story. Some quotations:

"“The office of Residence Life will investigate possible violations of university policies when it is made aware of them, such as in this case,” Notre Dame school spokesman Dennis Brown said Monday."--Proves there were problems

“I used bad judgment in being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I’ve learned from my mistake,” Clausen said during his first media appearance after the citation in August 2007.--Proves he admitted that he did drink, get caught, and he actually had to apologize in public

OK

 

[irishff1014]

I hope he learns with a minimual punishment

 

[gmnysdad]

As much as I don't wanna lose #3 for any games. Isn't this one of the things we are always talking about ND being different. ND being held to a higher standard. I am just a fan, but also in Navy, and I know that underage drinking is usually dealt with severily. That being said, no matter the outcome, I have great respect that the coach doesn't get a say. That would make ND the same as the gators and everyone else.

 

[devolg]

Who deals the punishment is exactly the issue.

Had he been a student at FSU or OU he might have to run the stadium steps if anything. At Notre Dame a student/faculty group conducts a hearing and renders judgement. The coach has zero involvement.

Its still a non issue. Its not about who hands down the punishment but rather the punishment fitting the offense. Extraneous punishment for underage consumption to a college kid is a joke.

I get the whole Res Life thing & have no quams with that but make the punishment fit. Costing this kid playing time over something so trivial would be an absolute travesty.

Will just have to see how it plays out.

 

[DKSchrute]

BGIF,

Its funny that at Notre Dame nobody says "This is Notre Dame blah blah" its only on message boards like this.

Underage drinking, off campus, on winter break. What is he 20 years old?

If this was any other school - USC, Florida, Miami even, Id say the same thing. Big deal.

Make him run stairs at 5 am for a month straight. He has been a model citizen at Notre Dame. He has no history of anything but being a good guy.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Heres my take. I dont want to offend any of the ND grads on this board. I have nothing but respect for what you accomplished. I went to my first ND game this year and I know I would have loved it there. However Im not a D1 athlete and I wanted to keep playing sports so I only looked at D3 schools.

That being said I think society blows underaged drinking way out of proportion. If everybody waited for that first sip at 21, then there would be a bunch of binge drinking 21 year olds who dont know how to handle it. My friends at ND are complained about res life but that story is all over this thread so I wont get into it. My point in all this rambling is that I personally do not think that a no tolerance policy towards drinking what makes ND different and special and why I root for the Irish every saturday. I think its things like the graduation rate and how ND handles arrests that makes it different. This no tolerance drinking thing just seems Niave. College kids drink. Im still in College so Im gonna go drink.

Keep the Hotties Shakin It.

 

[INFIDEL STRONG]

What a joke, were talking some beer here, I see 13 year old's drinking tall boys while waiting for the bus..Be thankful he didnt get caught with a room full of hookers and a ounce of cocaine.

 

[tatoobaldman]

he will be fine. he will get chewed out and probably a small fine! come football season all will be forgotten!! WE ARE NOTRE DAME!!

 

[tatoobaldman]

I'm getting more and more worried that Michael Floyd won't be playing next season. At all.
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he will play! why wouldnt he? he's a college kid and you can't tell me that other kids dont do the same thing!!