Final Thoughts from a USF Fan (Not trolling)

[the great 8]

1. Keep Rees at QB. Seriously, how did Crist manage to win the battle?

2. Redick shouldn't be returning punts. Seriously, he bobbled everything.

3. Wood is a beast. Please note that our running defense is probably going to be suspect though. I'm not sure how much you can rely on his play against bigger defensive lines.

4. Floyd is more of a beast. I've never seen a WR abuse the USF DB's that much. Scary kid.

5. The rest of the receivers suck.

6. The TE with long hair (blanking on the name) is a very good.

7. This game wasn't as close as the score indicates.

8. You have a good redzone defense. That's why this game wasn't a blowout, but overall the defense probably isn't as good as many of you expected based on last year.

9. Don't overrate your total yardage advantage. Of course you won the total yards, you gave us short fields half the game and were playing a hyper conservative offense. Mind you 90 of those yards were against many defensive second teamers in your garbage TD at the end of the game.

10. Good luck with the rest of the season. Rationally, I don't think you're a BCS level team quite yet, you'll be playing better teams than USF unless a huge surprise is in for USF fans.

 

[phork]

1. Keep Rees at QB. Seriously, how did Crist manage to win the battle?

2. Redick shouldn't be returning punts. Seriously, he bobbled everything.

3. Wood is a beast. Please note that our running defense is probably going to be suspect though. I'm not sure how much you can rely on his play against bigger defensive lines.

4. Floyd is more of a beast. I've never seen a WR abuse the USF DB's that much. Scary kid.

5. The rest of the receivers suck.

6. The TE with long hair (blanking on the name) is a very good.

7. This game wasn't as close as the score indicates.

8. You have a good redzone defense. That's why this game wasn't a blowout, but overall the defense probably isn't as good as many of you expected based on last year.

9. Don't overrate your total yardage advantage. Of course you won the total yards, you gave us short fields half the game and were playing a hyper conservative offense. Mind you 90 of those yards were against many defensive second teamers in your garbage TD at the end of the game.

10. Good luck with the rest of the season. Rationally, I don't think you're a BCS level team quite yet, you'll be playing better teams than USF unless a huge surprise is in for USF fans.

You missed something. 5 turn overs.

 

[ACamp1900]

everything he said is fair....

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

1. Keep Rees at QB. Seriously, how did Crist manage to win the battle?

2. Redick shouldn't be returning punts. Seriously, he bobbled everything.

3. Wood is a beast. Please note that our running defense is probably going to be suspect though. I'm not sure how much you can rely on his play against bigger defensive lines.

4. Floyd is more of a beast. I've never seen a WR abuse the USF DB's that much. Scary kid.

5. The rest of the receivers suck.

6. The TE with long hair (blanking on the name) is a very good.

7. This game wasn't as close as the score indicates.

8. You have a good redzone defense. That's why this game wasn't a blowout, but overall the defense probably isn't as good as many of you expected based on last year.

9. Don't overrate your total yardage advantage. Of course you won the total yards, you gave us short fields half the game and were playing a hyper conservative offense. Mind you 90 of those yards were against many defensive second teamers in your garbage TD at the end of the game.

10. Good luck with the rest of the season. Rationally, I don't think you're a BCS level team quite yet, you'll be playing better teams than USF unless a huge surprise is in for USF fans.

11. The USF traveling band of obnoxious morons possess the finest spray paint in the Big East. Just ask the new hockey rink. It was very impressed.

 

[jason_h537]

can't hate. Most of what he said is spot on

 

[Bubba]

7. This game wasn't as close as the score indicates.

Eveything else you said as pretty much right on. But this is not. Other than the turnovers and penalties, our team actually played this game very close. One of the turnovers was the result of USF defense, the rest were our silly mistakes.

 

[the great 8]

Eveything else you said as pretty much right on. But this is not. Other than the turnovers and penalties, our team actually played this game very close. One of the turnovers was the result of USF defense, the rest were our silly mistakes.

There's two ways of thinking about it, the way that makes ND fans comfortable and the way that makes USF fans comfortable.

ND fans: "They didn't do crap offensively and we turned it over 5 times and we still kept it close."

USF fans: "They turned it over a bunch of times and we didn't have to do anything offensively to win, that's why it remained close."

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

There's two ways of thinking about it, the way that makes ND fans comfortable and the way that makes USF fans comfortable.

ND fans: "They didn't do crap offensively and we turned it over 5 times and we still kept it close."

USF fans: "They turned it over a bunch of times and we didn't have to do anything offensively to win, that's why it remained close."

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Why are you on this board? Why not stick to the USF boards? It's Saturday night go out and celebrate or enjoy your family. I mean I wouldn't join a USF board and chat all night if ND won.

 

[NDIrishlover3]

1. Keep Rees at QB. Seriously, how did Crist manage to win the battle?

2. Redick shouldn't be returning punts. Seriously, he bobbled everything.

3. Wood is a beast. Please note that our running defense is probably going to be suspect though. I'm not sure how much you can rely on his play against bigger defensive lines.

4. Floyd is more of a beast. I've never seen a WR abuse the USF DB's that much. Scary kid.

5. The rest of the receivers suck.

6. The TE with long hair (blanking on the name) is a very good.

7. This game wasn't as close as the score indicates.

8. You have a good redzone defense. That's why this game wasn't a blowout, but overall the defense probably isn't as good as many of you expected based on last year.

9. Don't overrate your total yardage advantage. Of course you won the total yards, you gave us short fields half the game and were playing a hyper conservative offense. Mind you 90 of those yards were against many defensive second teamers in your garbage TD at the end of the game.

10. Good luck with the rest of the season. Rationally, I don't think you're a BCS level team quite yet, you'll be playing better teams than USF unless a huge surprise is in for USF fans.

You are completely ignoring the fact that we beat ourselves and you guys simply capitalized on things that Notre Dame set up FOR you guys.... and even then you guys couldn't even muster an offensive touchdown until the second half. Congratulations on a great upset for you guys but just keep in mind that was one of if not THE worst game notre dame has ever played....

 

[BeauBenken]

There's two ways of thinking about it, the way that makes ND fans comfortable and the way that makes USF fans comfortable.

ND fans: "They didn't do crap offensively and we turned it over 5 times and we still kept it close."

USF fans: "They turned it over a bunch of times and we didn't have to do anything offensively to win, that's why it remained close."

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

You couldn't.

 

[the great 8]

You couldn't.

OK. Point proven.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

OK. Point proven.

seriously 3 turnovers inside the 5.
When was the last time you saw that happen.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I am typically nice to opponents posters, but honesty, bounce on out. Your team is weak. ND beat themselves and we don't need your post to point out obvious thoughts and justify yourself by saying that you're not a troll. If I were more than I moderator you'd be Outtie 5000. Sorry for being rude, but sad that your school even has a chance to rep your conference in a BCS Bowl. Laying the thunder on Ball State plus points next weekend.

 

[BeauBenken]

I do appreciate this not being a troll post though. I'm not saying I think you're all like this, but some of your posting fans here are definitely trolling dumbasses. Congratz on surviving. We'll get you the next time around. You guys interested in a BCS rematch? lmao That'd be something.

 

[t3hjc]

Everything was fair except the part about the game not being as close as the score. That's pretty silly. You had arguably a 14 point swing on the first series of the game, you had Notre Dame giftwrapping them a field goal on Riddick's muff, you had Ruffer missing a chippy, and those are the instances that immediately come to mind. The only thing South Florida did that made them deserving of a win was not turning the ball over. Their offense and defense didn't play all that impressively, which is why they only won by 3 points in a game where they were +5 in turnover margin.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

OP is right about the game not being as close as the score indicates. The Irish should have won by 10+.

 

[DominantD]

Haha, about the score.

Lets do some math. Final score was 23-20.

For purpose of being fair, I'll say each redzone trip for the Irish will be only 3 points.

So ND turns it over at the one and USF scores a TD on the recovery. If this doesnt happen, its 23-16 Irish. With the Field Goal.

ND muffs a punt giving a you a field goal. 23-13.

ND, misses opportunity with INT in redzone. 26-13.

Another INT in redzone after it hits WR in head. 29-13.

Oh, and the missed field goals give each team another 3. 32-16

Hmmm....Oddly enough, if those FG are Touchdowns, the score really gets crazy....51-16

Just saying. So go ahead say the score didnt reflect the game...cause it didnt.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

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5. The rest of the receivers suck.

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7. This game wasn't as close as the score indicates.

8. ...[O]verall the defense probably isn't as good as many of you expected based on last year.

9. Don't overrate your total yardage advantage. Of course you won the total yards, you gave us short fields half the game and were playing a hyper conservative offense...

Regarding the non-Floyd ND receivers' "suckiness", if they consistently dropped balls then I would tend to agree with you. But they don't. And although Theo Riddick isn't used to Rees's quick-fire nature (leading to the pick), it has been shown that Riddick is capable of making those catches and can otherwise be an electifying player. Maybe if you guys ever had to catch a punt you'd realize how difficult it is in stormy South Bend...Oh that's right, we only punted what, twice?

And you can't honestly say that with the way ND ran the ball down USF's throats in the first few series you weren't nervous about an ND blow-out. If the game continues normally after that (or if the refs don't choke on the whistle after forward progress...yes, I just went there) then you're looking at 35-7 ND.

And while we have or critic hats on, B.J. Daniels is really not that good. You can call it "hyper conservative" play-calling all you want, but the fact is he obviously can't throw deep accurately, and the coaches now this. (If I were USF I would run more deep-outs, as that seems to be his best/only 10 yard throw.) And while he has decent running abilities, he's not that fast/shifty of a runner either. I mean, how threatening to a defense can a QB be when he's 225 and his biggest threat is as a bruising runner?

And how many possessions did Daniels get? And he accounted for, what, a single TD? Throwing into obvious coverage and a good -- I'm not going to say the "L" word -- catch, although given the coverage even *that* was a bad decision.

In fact, perhaps in a fashion befitting the entire game, Daniels's TD throw to TE#9 in the 4th quarter was the exact same throw (cover 0 versus LB with a throw anticipating that the LB won't turn his head) that Crist made to Riddick that got picked in the endzone. That is, 7 times out of 10 the LB doesn't make that play, and it ends up incomplete. 1/10 it ends up being picked, including against USF's LB. But today not only did USF's LB make that great grab, but on the *exact same play* when we were on defense not only did ND's LB not make the play, buy USF's TE made a great grab despite the good coverage. I watch a TON of college football, (at least that's what my wife says...) and I have never seen such distinct and clear examples of two of the exactly the same throws having total polar opposite outcomes. At the D1/FBS level, the chances of it happening the way it did must be at least 1/30.

[Insert missed FG rant]

So, at the end of the day, you and everyone else in the USA knows that 7 times out of 10 ND wins this game, and that we just happen to be living in the parallel universe where the other 30% happens. So enjoy it.

[I realize that anyone whose post being "not trolling" is usually trolling, but what the hell]

 

[the great 8]

FWIW, I marked my post "not trolling" in an attempt to separate my post from other USF fans which are being morons on here.

As far as the game not being as close as the score indicates, what I meant is while some of you can claim USF would've been blown out if not for the 5 TO's our team simply had to manage to the game to win. You don't know what would've happened if we had to take risks. Maybe we'd have had 5 TO's...? Maybe we drop another 2 TD's? I mean, we kicked a FG on the 1 yard line for God sakes. Remember how you fumbled on the 1? We mitigated that risk by kicking it!

That's a hallmark of Holtz. We did it vs. Clemson, Cincinnati, etc where we could've rolled them but Holtz would rather just manage the game because he has an erratic QB who can undo everything an always good defense creates. The Big Ten teams you face later in the season won't be in "game management" mode for a number of reasons (they love to run up scores, and you probably won't turn the ball over 5 times). In that situation, good luck to your defense. I see them being abused.

I'm out guys. Good luck the rest of the season. BTW, I think we split a 10 game series. Talk to your AD about getting one going.

 

[ACamp1900]

I agree with this fan, though let it REALLY SINK IN GUYS.....


we are humbled to have a fan of south florida drop us a bone saying I think it'll be a 5-5 split if we play ten times....


you can disagree all you want.... just THINK about that.........




that's where this program is

 

[DominantD]

if by split you mean losing 9 outta 10, you got it right. USF got handed a game on a silver platter, and BARELY won.

In fact, we were inches away from getting the onside kick.

Good Riddance.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

I dunno, I think we play this game 10 times and ND wins minimum of 8. Before today I would have not went that high...not impressed with USF the least bit, so obviously that means we have huge problems at ND right?! I dunno...sooo much went against us today, it was eerie! Didn't expect it from a Kelly coached team, but I think if he can just relax and coach them up...we could still have a good season! We do need to start playing scrimmages 1st game tho for this very reason, work out all the kinks and jitters.

 

[irishtrain]

can't hate. Most of what he said is spot on

Agree and done with respect.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

...You don't know what would've happened if we had to take risks. Maybe we'd have had 5 TO's...? Maybe we drop another 2 TD's? I mean, we kicked a FG on the 1 yard line for God sakes. Remember how you fumbled on the 1? We mitigated that risk by kicking it!

...

Not to bite at the non-troll, but IMO, had we not had one of the turnovers then we at least tie the game, and even with them we're still one missed FG away anyway.

And kicking on 4th and 1 isn't "mitigating risk" -- it's what's referred to in football as a "goal-line stand". And given the way the QB sneak was stuffed for no gain/loss on the previous 3rd down, I'd prefered them to have gone for it. (And, btw, Jonas Gray's strip on the 1 was on 2nd down, I believe (and, let's talk about the alternate universe where the refs call forward progress on that one...) so it's not even a close question whether ND gets in after what they were able to do on that drive.

And the only indication anyone can have about what the play-calling and play would have been like, had ND not made one of their many boneheaded moves, would have to be how the game opened up with the score tied: ND running all over USF at will and stifling USF on defense. And, unless you're saying Coach Holtz has some secret bag of tricks to pull out of his had, all the "risks" you hypothetically would have taken would probably bear an uncanny resemblance to those "risks" you took downfield in your first possessions (i.e., when it was tied or w/in 7 points).

It's not like B.J. Daniels suddenly would turn into an all-conference Air-Raid QB when it's tied-up, or USF is behind, in the 4th quarter.

But at the end of the day, I understand a USF fan going on an ND board and wanting to discuss the game -- why wouldn't they? -- so I understand the positions you're taking. But there's no way in Hades that this series goes 5/5 if ND and USF play 10 different games tonight. If I were you, I would celebrate that fact tonight at Ybor.

 

[IrishandColts]

****ing idiots....(golf clap) whta joke

 

[NDinFL]

FWIW, I marked my post "not trolling" in an attempt to separate my post from other USF fans which are being morons on here.

As far as the game not being as close as the score indicates, what I meant is while some of you can claim USF would've been blown out if not for the 5 TO's our team simply had to manage to the game to win. You don't know what would've happened if we had to take risks. Maybe we'd have had 5 TO's...? Maybe we drop another 2 TD's? I mean, we kicked a FG on the 1 yard line for God sakes. Remember how you fumbled on the 1? We mitigated that risk by kicking it!

That's a hallmark of Holtz. We did it vs. Clemson, Cincinnati, etc where we could've rolled them but Holtz would rather just manage the game because he has an erratic QB who can undo everything an always good defense creates. The Big Ten teams you face later in the season won't be in "game management" mode for a number of reasons (they love to run up scores, and you probably won't turn the ball over 5 times). In that situation, good luck to your defense. I see them being abused.

I'm out guys. Good luck the rest of the season. BTW, I think we split a 10 game series. Talk to your
AD about getting one going.

Yeah, you won. Congrats

you "mitigated" a field goal on the one yard line??

Gimme a f uckin break, we GAVE you a TD and you still won by 3.

A touchdown is worth 6 btw, not that your offense would know.

We gave this game to you, so take your facetious, condescending bs elsewhere.

Smfh, "that's skip holtz football"

 

[Irish In KY]

1. Anyone remember the game against BC in 2002? We fumbled 5 times while wearing our shiny new green jerseys. This game somewhat reminded me of that. This was the most bizarre game I have ever seen.

2. "Non-troll" says we split 5-5 if we play a ten game series. Was he watching the game? This was yet another chapter in ND's ongoing novel entitled, "How to beat yourselves." That being said, we literally handed them the game. Yes, we lost, but USF certainly did not win.

3. Let's rant and get it off our chest and focus on what's coming; its scUM week, boys. We have a good football team. If we can manage to get out of our own way, we should have a successful season. I just hope that fumble by gray set the tone for our entire season.

 

[Irish In KY]

I mean, I hope that fumble DIDN'T set the tone....

 

[koonja]

You are completely ignoring the fact that we beat ourselves and you guys simply capitalized on things that Notre Dame set up FOR you guys.... and even then you guys couldn't even muster an offensive touchdown until the second half. Congratulations on a great upset for you guys but just keep in mind that was one of if not THE worst game notre dame has ever played....

That's what good teams do. We did the opposite.

 

[NDinFL]

That's what good teams do. We did the opposite.

Feed the troll, he's hungry.

Good teams don't cough it up 5 times. That's it. End of story