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One thing NCAA soccer needs to look at is a longer season. Can't be a fall only sport. Realistically that won't make a huge difference for the USMNT, considering top level prospects should be spending ages 18-22 playing professionally, but it would hopefully make a difference for MLS
 

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Seems to me that you need to get these super talented kids into dedicated soccer academies / travel programs before they turn 10 for them to have a chance of being high level professional players. Just isn’t the way US youth sports operate. I personally don’t know anyone who had their kid solely focus on one sport until at least middle school, and at that point it’s probably too late to be the type of soccer player we need (not just talking about D1 college players).

Personally, I couldn’t imagine forcing my kid into one sport at 7 when there’s so many options in the US available to them.
I think the "soccer only gets the mediocre athletes in America" thing is half right. I think we field "elite" athletes at the national level in soccer, on par with most other nations, and better than many others, but the thing is we produce so many truly elite athletes in basically every other sport that the truth is our best athletes are not playing soccer. Does anyone believe that the USMNT represents anything approaching the cream of the American sports crop? Absolutely not, whereas it is conceivable to me that the English, Spanish, French, etc. teams basically represent the very best those nations have to offer in athletics.

Imagine a world where OBJ, Randy Moss, Justin Jefferson, Saquon Barkley, LeBron James, etc. were funneled into soccer. We leave a lot on the table in soccer because our best athletes get funneled into basically every other sport other than soccer in the U.S. Soccer is too foreign for us, the answer lies in making the domestic league cool. American kids grow up dreaming of winning championships in American sports leagues, not winning a FIFA tournament that rolls around every four years. Until winning the MLS Cup is at least in the same realm of cool as winning the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup, or World Series (nothing will ever touch the Super Bowl), soccer is always going to suffer here.
This.

These guys need to show up for it this time around. Musah didn't play in the last one and it probably cost him a spot on the WC team.

Still proud of the team. They gave us 3 weeks of fun and something to celebrate.

Except Pulisic. He's soft, uncommitted, shrinks in the big moments and wants to be courted like a superstar. He doesn't need to be on the team going forward. I don't care what his reputation is or what club team he plays for.
I think Pulisic skipping like a whole year to "best ready" for the WC and then not playing even one full game is going to severely damage his standing in the eyes of American soccer fans, and rightfully so in my opinion. Pulisic is good, but he's not a leader and any team built on the idea he's going to elevate the team is going to always fall short. I agree that some of the takes are extreme, I don't think he should be kicked off the team, but I think he's just another guy on the team in terms of his leadership and his availability to the team.

If America is not going to be able to close the "football culture" gap in the short and mid terms, what we can lead on is what Americans do best: having that MFing dawg in them and playing with an edge. I think Americans can tolerate losing, but we cannot tolerate going out like a bunch of pussies, which is essentially what our team did last night. We have the talent to beat the Belgiums of the world, sadly this has seemingly come at the expense of the fighting spirit of the less talented Donovan/Dempsey squads.
To me it's not about the physical freaks but this is still consistent with the more broad theme.

Lots of kids who could be good simply don't play or dont play beyond little kid youth soccer at the local park. A lot stop travel ball in middle school once football is available.

The successful countries don't have this problem. Soccer is life unless/until the kid shows extreme promise at something else. In Europe and South America, that game is probably tennis. Basketball if they are tall. In Scandinavia and Russia...throw in hockey.

Here, soccer has to compete for interest from the get-go. That's a double-edged sword. It reduces development AND interest in general. I don't think any amount of feasible financial investment can really fix that.
Yes, I already touched on this, but I totally agree. Even if many of these European nations have other strong sporting traditions, what they don't have are sporting traditions that can be leverage into international fame and fabulous wealth other than really soccer. In the U.S., if you are a genetic freak of nature, soccer is about the 4th-5th best option that can be pursued.
 

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In terms of who I'm rooting for, it's:
Norway
England.

That's it. Normally I don't pull for England, but this particular English team has grown on me and I really love Kane and Bellingham as well as Pickford.

Norway, well I'm part Norwegian and Haaland has become my favorite soccer player. I could watch that man play everyday.
 

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The mercurial winger who plays great in some games but disappears in others is hardly an American problem, let alone a Pulisic problem. Very few guys at that position are consistently dominant and even one of them may not have the on us the game last night.
Yeah, but my issue with Pulisic is that he has a shitty, entitled attitude and he's not a leader. Coming into the WC he called it "just another tournament" and then missed a good portion of the tournament after that. Meanwhile, Messi at 39 is out there giving 100 minutes for his country and then wept tears of joy after squeaking out a R16 win over Egypt. I get that Pulisic isn't Messi, but this is an issue that lies in the six inches between the ears, not anywhere else. Pulisic is good and an overall asset, but the leadership of the team needs to reevaluate if he is the leader of the team and the face of it.
 

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I only just saw the goal FIFA disallowed for Egypt.

Thats actually criminal
Instant replay doesn't “fix things”, it just creates a whole new set of issues. Only sport it has provided an overwhelming positive outcome is tennis, IMO.
 

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Yeah, but my issue with Pulisic is that he has a shitty, entitled attitude and he's not a leader. Coming into the WC he called it "just another tournament" and then missed a good portion of the tournament after that. Meanwhile, Messi at 39 is out there giving 100 minutes for his country and then wept tears of joy after squeaking out a R16 win over Egypt. I get that Pulisic isn't Messi, but this is an issue that lies in the six inches between the ears, not anywhere else. Pulisic is good and an overall asset, but the leadership of the team needs to reevaluate if he is the leader of the team and the face of it.
This is the second World Cup where Pulisic has been Captain America and the face of US soccer - he seems to appear in at least 3x the ads of everyone else put together. I get the various reasons why. But maybe it's OK to give someone else a turn. He's a good player but he's not THAT good.
 

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This is the second World Cup where Pulisic has been Captain America and the face of US soccer - he seems to appear in at least 3x the ads of everyone else put together. I get the various reasons why. But maybe it's OK to give someone else a turn. He's a good player but he's not THAT good.
Hes a co-star, not a superstar. But in fairness we dont have any superstars.
 

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The trend with Pulisic is that he gets injured in the big moments. That isn't a criticism. It's simply stating an obvious fact based on the previous World Cups. He took some time to be ready, he's talked and advocated for mental health which is great, but we're ultimately coming down to a point where he can't be counted on in the biggest moments.

I hope he plays in the Gold Cup next summer and shines, but I'm probably going to be paying more attention to the USWNT in the World Cup and if someone is asking me to put money on it I would say that Pulisic is a no show for the Gold Cup whether he's there or not. I'm not going to be over critical, harsh or personal about it other than that. I'm betting on the current trend with him based on his history. Very simple.

I hope he can really turn up the volume on his career in these next 3-4 years. The clock is ticking.
 

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Hes a co-star, not a superstar. But in fairness we dont have any superstars.
Exactly. And honestly, on the field, a team full of co-stars is fine. Off the field, the world of media and advertising and all that demands a superstar and for a variety of soccer and non-soccer reasons Pulisic is the one we have to offer. But it doesn't feel quite earned, I guess. And perhaps sharing the load of leadership would take some of the pressure off.
 

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The trend with Pulisic is that he gets injured in the big moments. That isn't a criticism. It's simply stating an obvious fact based on the previous World Cups. He took some time to be ready, he's talked and advocated for mental health which is great, but we're ultimately coming down to a point where he can't be counted on in the biggest moments.

I hope he plays in the Gold Cup next summer and shines, but I'm probably going to be paying more attention to the USWNT in the World Cup and if someone is asking me to put money on it I would say that Pulisic is a no show for the Gold Cup whether he's there or not. I'm not going to be over critical, harsh or personal about it other than that. I'm betting on the current trend with him based on his history. Very simple.

I hope he can really turn up the volume on his career in these next 3-4 years. The clock is ticking.
This 100%, Injury prone like the Chris Chandelier/Byron Buxton
 

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vibe i always get off Pulisic is that he wants to be respected by European soccer people and less so by American soccer people
 

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vibe i always get off Pulisic is that he wants to be respected by European soccer people and less so by American soccer people
And, ironically, he isn't that respected by either group at this point.

I am probably more partial to him than most, he played at PA Classics which is literally 2 min from my house. But, he's not the superstar we hoped/were told he was going to be. He could probably be Scottie Pippen, under the right circumstances. But, he's not MJ.
 

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This is the second World Cup where Pulisic has been Captain America and the face of US soccer - he seems to appear in at least 3x the ads of everyone else put together. I get the various reasons why. But maybe it's OK to give someone else a turn. He's a good player but he's not THAT good.
As someone who doesn't watch soccer, I was definitely expecting more out of Pulisic after seeing everything that talked about how good he was and him being the best American player. I never really noticed him when he was on the field.
 

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Soccer guys...watching the games that come down to penalty kicks, it looks like most teams lose because they just miss the goal rather than the goalie blocking it.

Wouldn't it make more sense to just "throw strikes" rather than try to slip shot in at the top or the far corners?
 

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Soccer guys...watching the games that come down to penalty kicks, it looks like most teams lose because they just miss the goal rather than the goalie blocking it.

Wouldn't it make more sense to just "throw strikes" rather than try to slip shot in at the top or the far corners?
Yes, but its an incredibly intense and pressurized moment after playing 120 minutes. You're mentally and physically drained and suddenly thrust into a 1v1 spotlight with the whole tournament on the line.
 

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As someone who doesn't watch soccer, I was definitely expecting more out of Pulisic after seeing everything that talked about how good he was and him being the best American player. I never really noticed him when he was on the field.
As someone who knows nothing about soccer I thought he played best against Turkey which of course didn’t really matter anyway.
 

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Yes, but its an incredibly intense and pressurized moment after playing 120 minutes. You're mentally and physically drained and suddenly thrust into a 1v1 spotlight with the whole tournament on the line.
True, but jeez, it's a HUGE target from just a few meters away. After 120 minutes, doesn't it make more sense to just hit the meat of the target rather than squeak one in? At least, then you're just playing the odds they don't guess right, which have to be wildly in your favor,no?
 

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True, but jeez, it's a HUGE target from just a few meters away. After 120 minutes, doesn't it make more sense to just hit the meat of the target rather than squeak one in? At least, then you're just playing the odds they don't guess right, which have to be wildly in your favor,no?
Sports psychology is a real thing and I'm sure plays a big role here.
 

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True, but jeez, it's a HUGE target from just a few meters away. After 120 minutes, doesn't it make more sense to just hit the meat of the target rather than squeak one in? At least, then you're just playing the odds they don't guess right, which have to be wildly in your favor,no?
I liked the Harry Kane PK. No stutter, not too fancy, just a rocket to one side.
 

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regarding the 1v1 kicks... the old timers seem to complain about the stutter steps, but from my untrained eye they seem to be working.
 

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regarding the 1v1 kicks... the old timers seem to complain about the stutter steps, but from my untrained eye they seem to be working.
Its really the hesitation just before the kick thats important in those. Trying to get the keeper to show his dive early is the key. All the other stuttering is just silly stuff.
 

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Its really the hesitation just before the kick thats important in those. Trying to get the keeper to show his dive early is the key. All the other stuttering is just silly stuff.
when it works it looks clever but when it does not it just makes a player look cowardly with no conviction. they are hoping their opponent makes a mistake rather than they themselves making shit happen
 

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True, but jeez, it's a HUGE target from just a few meters away. After 120 minutes, doesn't it make more sense to just hit the meat of the target rather than squeak one in? At least, then you're just playing the odds they don't guess right, which have to be wildly in your favor,no?
You also have to realize that - just like American football - opposing teams do study tendencies. If a player does the same thing every time on his PKs, that’s going to be picked up on and the keeper will know what’s coming.
 

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It just looks like stopping a PK would be harder than hitting a baseball, which is considered the hardest thing to do in sports. It's coming at you at 80mph from 12 yards away and you have to cover a massive amount of ground and have so many options to guess which one it is.
 

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I just saw that PK's in the world cup since its inception only convert at 69%. Is it higher than Shaq's free throw percentage? Sure. But waaaaay lower than I would have guessed.
 

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Just do like the German guys did and don't take one.

If they are really hiring Jurgen Klopp to manage the German National Team, that's going to be one hell of a cleanout when he walks in the door.
 

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42 million viewers for the match against Belgium between Fox and Telemundo. That's a 154% increase from the 2022 R16 match against the Netherlands. Granted, that game was at 10 AM EST on a Saturday, but still a very large increase. The 2014 R16 Match against Belgium had 21.6 million viewers.
 
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