Denard Robinson

[Bogtrotter07]

LOL....He's the best athlete on the field when he takes the field (please keep in mind I said "athlete" and not "QB"). I know you're judgement is clouded by your hatred for all things Michigan...but you're way off on this.

Again, what's his record against us? He is worthy of being worried about.

And ignorant statement of the year in bold: He amassed over 500 yards and 3 TD's against us in 2010 and over 440 yards and 4 TD's in 2011.

Get a clue.

I read the same post and I think, without putting words in her mouth "almost supernatural advantage" would have made her point better.

 

[elboricua]

I'd like to point out I came here and spoke my peace to NDinLA yesterday and haven't been back since.

I don't feel like I went downhill anywhere. Eventually there is going to have to come a time when "fans" have a little faith in ND, instead of rolling over and playing the big spoon to their opponents who have beat them.

If you had said only this and kept your comments to what you "feel" about what other fans think it would have been fine. Your other comments were completely unsupported and opinion stated as if it were fact and that tends to frustrate some people. Apparently the poster who debated you took exception to this and was frustrated about it. I feel the same way. Ad hominem attacks are useless and it's too bad you were called an idiot. As a general rule though, it would be better if people made arguments supported by evidence or just said, hey, I don't like this team or player so I'm just going to say they aren't good and damn if evidence says otherwise.(or something to that effect)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My friend Bogs, my post wasn't directed to you at all. It was to the topic of the thread. I almost never direct a post to a person, as it isn't about us, but about Notre Dame football and related topics. My post, rather than being about anything anyone else was arguing, was about what I believe to be true about the problems that Robinson might present, how we are likely to meet those challenges, and whether I believe that we will win.

I however understand that as Sidney Greenstreet said in the Maltese Falcon: "In the heat of the moment men often forget where their best interests [or the actual points of another writer] lie". God bless and Peace. I am off to be with my Mom at the nursing home... something which places all this in an almost non-existent perspective for me.

I know that. I was using your post as a positive blue print. That is one of the things that bothers me about this site. Thank you for being kind, and a gentleman, and pointing this out for others. But there is a certain ilk of poster here that automatically thinks that any reference to their post is a (negative) criticism.

Keeping on topic, not attacking others, passive/agressively or overtly and making good points consistently. What a concept! Thanks for being you! I am glad to count you as friend.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'd like to point out I came here and spoke my peace to NDinLA yesterday and haven't been back since.

I don't feel like I went downhill anywhere. Eventually there is going to have to come a time when "fans" have a little faith in ND, instead of rolling over and playing the big spoon to their opponents who have beat them. I feel like USC and OK are way bigger threats than Denard Robinson, he doesn't scare me, Bob Diaco better have a plan, and ND needs to execute it, but he's beatable. I do hate michigan, but not all things Michigan. I like Sparty and I hope they kick the crap out of Michigan again. Bottom line, Michigan had a fluke 2011 season, I'm not scared of losing to them this year. Period. If you don't like it, you don't have to, but calling me an idiot is a little uncalled for, this ain't my first time on a boat ya know. I am not an idiot. You're allowed to disagree with me all you want, but as a fan it's just mind numbing and tiring to see day after day, month after month, year after year smack talk in the off season and when the season starts you start licking the boots of our opponents and it's really tiresome. The entire country is consoling Michigan for the epic a$$ whoopin they took when in reality if you paid attention you knew it was coming, making excuses for Michigan because Alabama is better is just ridiculous, there's no reason that Michigan should not have at least put up some kind of a fight against them. They are mediocre at best. Alabama exposed it for all the world to see. So I'll be the IE resident idiot. Doesn't bother me, because I'm not scared of them beating ND a 4th time. Have a great day.

KissMe, you are my hero!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'd like to point out I came here and spoke my peace to NDinLA yesterday and haven't been back since.

I don't feel like I went downhill anywhere. Eventually there is going to have to come a time when "fans" have a little faith in ND, instead of rolling over and playing the big spoon to their opponents who have beat them.

If you had said only this and kept your comments to what you "feel" about what other fans think it would have been fine. Your other comments were completely unsupported and opinion stated as if it were fact and that tends to frustrate some people. Apparently the poster who debated you took exception to this and was frustrated about it. I feel the same way. Ad hominem attacks are useless and it's too bad you were called an idiot. As a general rule though, it would be better if people made arguments supported by evidence or just said, hey, I don't like this team or player so I'm just going to say they aren't good and damn if evidence says otherwise.(or something to that effect)

Don't make this about her. She never directed her ire at one poster on this site. I saw her and me, for that matter attempted to be belittled. Take your own advice, I don't see any "feel" in your post. And use your generous wisdom and compassion initially, many had the chance.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

I'd like to point out I came here and spoke my peace to NDinLA yesterday and haven't been back since.

I don't feel like I went downhill anywhere. Eventually there is going to have to come a time when "fans" have a little faith in ND, instead of rolling over and playing the big spoon to their opponents who have beat them.

If you had said only this and kept your comments to what you "feel" about what other fans think it would have been fine. Your other comments were completely unsupported and opinion stated as if it were fact and that tends to frustrate some people. Apparently the poster who debated you took exception to this and was frustrated about it. I feel the same way. Ad hominem attacks are useless and it's too bad you were called an idiot. As a general rule though, it would be better if people made arguments supported by evidence or just said, hey, I don't like this team or player so I'm just going to say they aren't good and damn if evidence says otherwise.(or something to that effect)

HA! Yeah, because I'm the only poster who's ever said how they feel about people's comments. I didn't make any personal attacks, I lumped them all together into a certain category I believe, and if the shoe fits you...sorry for your guilty conscience. But NDinLA is not the king of Kissme land. I have opinions. I will share them.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You make some great points. However, the point is, Denard is to be feared. If anything, your points prove that he alone beat us with his athletisim and playmaking ablity.

I definately think we have the advatage if we come in with a that record you mentioned and plan to limit his time on the field and big plays.

Run the ball and force him to be a passer. ND keys to victory

Good points, except one word. Maybe respected? I don't know.

I think the day you should quit playing football is the first day you feel fearfull.

I will bet you my last dollar that Manti T'eo does not fear Denard. He may respect his talents, but that is part of stalking his quarry.

 

[Woneone]

I'd like to point out I came here and spoke my peace to NDinLA yesterday and haven't been back since.

I don't feel like I went downhill anywhere. Eventually there is going to have to come a time when "fans" have a little faith in ND, instead of rolling over and playing the big spoon to their opponents who have beat them.

If you had said only this and kept your comments to what you "feel" about what other fans think it would have been fine. Your other comments were completely unsupported and opinion stated as if it were fact and that tends to frustrate some people. Apparently the poster who debated you took exception to this and was frustrated about it. I feel the same way. Ad hominem attacks are useless and it's too bad you were called an idiot. As a general rule though, it would be better if people made arguments supported by evidence or just said, hey, I don't like this team or player so I'm just going to say they aren't good and damn if evidence says otherwise.(or something to that effect)

This has been a topic on this board before, and it will be again.

I would go out on a limb and say there isn't a single poster on this forum who isn't guilty of exactly what your saying. Everyone here has, at one point or another, made a statement such as, "They aren't very good" or "He's waaaay overrated" without actually elaborating on the thought, just making a sweeping statement.

It's tough on a forum like this to keep a "standard" of what should constitute a good post. I can read k1ssme1m1r1sh's post and I go in understanding that I'm not reading a premium forum, what I'm going to read the majority of the time is an opinion, not a fact.

Long story short, we all do it. We'll all do it again.

Purdue sucks (this is a fact).

 

[IrishMoore1]

Good points, except one word. Maybe respected? I don't know.

I think the day you should quit playing football is the first day you feel fearfull.

I will bet you my last dollar that Manti T'eo does not fear Denard. He may respect his talents, but that is part of stalking his quarry.

^This. Do all of you think our guys are gonna run onto the field with fear in their hearts because of DR? SERIOUSLY!? You don't belong on a football team, or in sports for that matter, if you're scared of your opponent. The fans need to have the mindset of their team. We expect to win, and we know we will win. No excuses.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

This has been a topic on this board before, and it will be again.

I would go out on a limb and say there isn't a single poster on this forum who isn't guilty of exactly what your saying. Everyone here has, at one point or another, made a statement such as, "They aren't very good" or "He's waaaay overrated" without actually elaborating on the thought, just making a sweeping statement.

It's tough on a forum like this to keep a "standard" of what should constitute a good post. I can read k1ssme1m1r1sh's post and I go in understanding that I'm not reading a premium forum, what I'm going to read the majority of the time is an opinion, not a fact.

Long story short, we all do it. We'll all do it again.

Purdue sucks (this is a fact).

Exactly. Since when has it NOT been acceptable to express an opinion on a forum put together for ND fans to.....GASP....express an opinion? I won't be back, apparently the rules are different for the rest of you, though I noticed that Bogs and I were not the only ones who think some of you are nuttier than a jar of pistachios. Good day.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'd like to point out I came here and spoke my peace to NDinLA yesterday and haven't been back since.

I don't feel like I went downhill anywhere. Eventually there is going to have to come a time when "fans" have a little faith in ND, instead of rolling over and playing the big spoon to their opponents who have beat them.

You didn't go downhill...you started there. I have absolute faith in ND. That's what's so funny about all this. It's like you still haven't read one word I've written. It's actually sad, b/c you're still stuck in the same argument - you know, the argument that I'm not even making.

I feel like USC and OK are way bigger threats than Denard Robinson, he doesn't scare me, Bob Diaco better have a plan, and ND needs to execute it, but he's beatable.

Never said he wasn't beatable. You are changing things as you go. I only argued (for what, the 9th time now???) that we should definitely be concerned about him, considering the RECORD-BREAKING numbers he's put up against us and the fact that he's 2-0 against us.

Bottom line, Michigan had a fluke 2011 season, I'm not scared of losing to them this year. Period. If you don't like it, you don't have to, but calling me an idiot is a little uncalled for, this ain't my first time on a boat ya know. I am not an idiot.

Never called you an idiot, but nice try. Go back and please show me where I called you an idiot. Stop making things up. Read way closer...and look at bogs' post and my response to him. Weak. And I don't think you're an idiot at all.

I did say your arguments were ridiculous and they were. I don't say that often, but go read what you said. I mean, saying Denard doesn't have the upper hand on ND (and getting pissed that we thought that) is absolutely ridiculous in the world of sports. If a dude beats me, and plays out of his mind to the point that 2 years in a row he's leading Sportscenter, guess what...he has the upper hand on me!!! That's not even opinion, that's fact.

And to say Denard 'sucks sucks sucks' (as well as him not having the upper hand on ND) is not only ridiculous but it speaks to a deep, deep myopia, 'delusion' (which we bag on Michigan fans for) and extreme homerism.

You're allowed to disagree with me all you want, but as a fan it's just mind numbing and tiring to see day after day, month after month, year after year smack talk in the off season and when the season starts you start licking the boots of our opponents and it's really tiresome.

Seriously, wtf are you talking about??? It's like you're having this debate with phantoms or something. I'll say it one last time, slowly - NO ONE IS SAYING WE ARE GOING TO LOSE TO MICHIGAN. AND NO ONE SAYING THAT DENARD IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL-TIME. Got it? Get that ridiculous argument out of your head, cause it's not coming from us.

It's called having a healthy respect (not fear, and not respect as a school or anything close to that) for your opponent that has beaten you 3 times in a row. It's called living in the real world and realizing that hell yeah we should be concerned about a guy that's done what he's done to us the last 2 years. It's really that simple. But you read "Man, Denard has ripped us these past 2 years...we better step up and try to stop him because if not he'll run all over us," and for some reason you think it says, "OMG, the sky is falling!!! We're definitely going to lose!!! What am I going to do??? Denard is the greatest since Joe Montana! AHHHHHHH!!!!"

Again, read the thread again, more slowly this time, and you'll most of this crap is your mind, just like bogs.

They are mediocre at best. Alabama exposed it for all the world to see.

And yet they still beat us 3 years in a row. If that isn't enough to say, "hmmmmm, this concerns me, we better come out ready to play 4 quarters, cause I think they suck and yet they still keep beating," then I don't know what else to say for you.

So I'll be the IE resident idiot. Doesn't bother me, because I'm not scared of them beating ND a 4th time. Have a great day.

It's not about being an idiot. You just said some (IMO) really idiotic things, that if you said in a bar of college football fans would get you laughed out fo the room. And for the millionth time, we're not scared, but there is definite cause for concern. After all, you said THE EXACT SAME THINGS LAST YEAR...and we lost. Think about it.

HA! Yeah, because I'm the only poster who's ever said how they feel about people's comments. I didn't make any personal attacks, I lumped them all together into a certain category I believe, and if the shoe fits you...sorry for your guilty conscience. But NDinLA is not the king of Kissme land. I have opinions. I will share them.

[/QUOTE]

No, you're not the only one. But you and bogs were the only ones making up arguments in your heads and then projecting them on to the rest of us. And you're the only one who pulled the gender card, when all we were talking about is football. And you're the only one making the aforementioned enormously ridiculous comments about Denard.

Not the king of your land, but in this site, if you come with a really weak argument, someone is going to answer back. In this case, it was me and a few others. If you don't like it (which you clearly didn't), then strike back without pulling cards that have nothing to do with the argument, and don't make up arguments, which is what you've done here.

 

[greyhammer90]

"I AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S OPINION BUT YOU'RE ALL SO WRONG!"
-- everyone in this thread

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

You didn't go downhill...you started there. I have absolute faith in ND. That's what's so funny about all this. It's like you still haven't read one word I've written. It's actually sad, b/c you're still stuck in the same argument - you know, the argument that I'm not even making.


Never said he wasn't beatable. You are changing things as you go. I only argued (for what, the 9th time now???) that we should definitely be concerned about him, considering the RECORD-BREAKING numbers he's put up against us and the fact that he's 2-0 against us.



Never called you an idiot, but nice try. Go back and please show me where I called you an idiot. Stop making things up. Read way closer...and look at bogs' post and my response to him. Weak. And I don't think you're an idiot at all.

I did say your arguments were ridiculous and they were. I don't say that often, but go read what you said. I mean, saying Denard doesn't have the upper hand on ND (and getting pissed that we thought that) is absolutely ridiculous in the world of sports. If a dude beats me, and plays out of his mind to the point that 2 years in a row he's leading Sportscenter, guess what...he has the upper hand on me!!! That's not even opinion, that's fact.

And to say Denard 'sucks sucks sucks' (as well as him not having the upper hand on ND) is not only ridiculous but it speaks to a deep, deep myopia, 'delusion' (which we bag on Michigan fans for) and extreme homerism.



Seriously, wtf are you talking about??? It's like you're having this debate with phantoms or something. I'll say it one last time, slowly - NO ONE IS SAYING WE ARE GOING TO LOSE TO MICHIGAN. AND NO ONE SAYING THAT DENARD IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL-TIME. Got it? Get that ridiculous argument out of your head, cause it's not coming from us.

It's called having a healthy respect (not fear, and not respect as a school or anything close to that) for your opponent that has beaten you 3 times in a row. It's called living in the real world and realizing that hell yeah we should be concerned about a guy that's done what he's done to us the last 2 years. It's really that simple. But you read "Man, Denard has ripped us these past 2 years...we better step up and try to stop him because if not he'll run all over us," and for some reason you think it says, "OMG, the sky is falling!!! We're definitely going to lose!!! What am I going to do??? Denard is the greatest since Joe Montana! AHHHHHHH!!!!"

Again, read the thread again, more slowly this time, and you'll most of this crap is your mind, just like bogs.


And yet they still beat us 3 years in a row. If that isn't enough to say, "hmmmmm, this concerns me, we better come out ready to play 4 quarters, cause I think they suck and yet they still keep beating," then I don't know what else to say for you.



It's not about being an idiot. You just said some (IMO) really idiotic things, that if you said in a bar of college football fans would get you laughed out fo the room. And for the millionth time, we're not scared, but there is definite cause for concern. After all, you said THE EXACT SAME THINGS LAST YEAR...and we lost. Think about it.

No, you're not the only one. But you and bogs were the only ones making up arguments in your heads and then projecting them on to the rest of us. And you're the only one who pulled the gender card, when all we were talking about is football. And you're the only one making the aforementioned enormously ridiculous comments about Denard.

Not the king of your land, but in this site, if you come with a really weak argument, someone is going to answer back. In this case, it was me and a few others. If you don't like it (which you clearly didn't), then strike back without pulling cards that have nothing to do with the argument, and don't make up arguments, which is what you've done here.[/QUOTE]

That is because I was not the only one who said that they disagreed with the OP, but YOU were the only one who told ME that I knew nothing about football. Maybe it was a coincidence you ignored every other poster who thought the OP was full of crap. Bottom line is you are a crappy moderator and you've banned and/or run off more people off this site than anyone else. I have nothing to do with what Bogs posted, he's his own person. But if you want to continue to run this site like a joke, that's fine. I don't wish to be part of it. And guess what else? Denard Robinson STILL SUCKS.

 

[elboricua]

just a quick little point that I think should be made even though people who are fans of a Catholic university might tend not to like it. Faith is belief without evidence. No one needs to have or should have faith in Notre Dame's football team. You can if you want to. But I think it would be best if we went off of what we have some reason to believe. Like we have reason to believe Denard Robinson is a good college football player, despite his flaws. And there is evidence that he has been uber successful against ND during the first 2 years of the Kelly era. That's evidence-based reasoning. I don't have faith in things, particularly things like Notre Dame's football team. But I sure as hell will root for them to win and be proud of them of they play as hard as they can and graduate. It's a little distinction maybe, but I felt it should be made.

 

[elboricua]

No, you're not the only one. But you and bogs were the only ones making up arguments in your heads and then projecting them on to the rest of us. And you're the only one who pulled the gender card, when all we were talking about is football. And you're the only one making the aforementioned enormously ridiculous comments about Denard.

Not the king of your land, but in this site, if you come with a really weak argument, someone is going to answer back. In this case, it was me and a few others. If you don't like it (which you clearly didn't), then strike back without pulling cards that have nothing to do with the argument, and don't make up arguments, which is what you've done here.

That is because I was not the only one who said that they disagreed with the OP, but YOU were the only one who told ME that I knew nothing about football. Maybe it was a coincidence you ignored every other poster who thought the OP was full of crap. Bottom line is you are a crappy moderator and you've banned and/or run off more people off this site than anyone else. I have nothing to do with what Bogs posted, he's his own person. But if you want to continue to run this site like a joke, that's fine. I don't wish to be part of it. And guess what else? Denard Robinson STILL SUCKS.[/QUOTE]

No he doesn't. I don't know anything about anything else you are saying and so I don't know and can't comment. When it comes to Denard Robinson, I can objectively say you have no evidence to support your conclusions which results in nonsense. Essentially, this is what the other poster told you repeatedly. He may not have done it in a way you thought was appropriate, but he was still right objectively. I don't know you or him or care either way, but he was right because his posts were logical and founded in reasoning and evidence.

 

[PANDFAN]

No, you're not the only one. But you and bogs were the only ones making up arguments in your heads and then projecting them on to the rest of us. And you're the only one who pulled the gender card, when all we were talking about is football. And you're the only one making the aforementioned enormously ridiculous comments about Denard.

Not the king of your land, but in this site, if you come with a really weak argument, someone is going to answer back. In this case, it was me and a few others. If you don't like it (which you clearly didn't), then strike back without pulling cards that have nothing to do with the argument, and don't make up arguments, which is what you've done here.

That is because I was not the only one who said that they disagreed with the OP, but YOU were the only one who told ME that I knew nothing about football. Maybe it was a coincidence you ignored every other poster who thought the OP was full of crap. Bottom line is you are a crappy moderator and you've banned and/or run off more people off this site than anyone else. I have nothing to do with what Bogs posted, he's his own person. But if you want to continue to run this site like a joke, that's fine. I don't wish to be part of it. And guess what else? Denard Robinson STILL SUCKS.[/QUOTE]


CAN I JUST END THIS ARGUMENT....PLEASE

very inaccurate or consistant as a pocket passer....dynamic as a player w/ a football in his hands..can we all agree on that ????

 

[greyhammer90]

Typical man, I know nothing about football.

And you're the only one who pulled the gender card.

Did I miss something?

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

^Agreed^ As of now i am a little worried about our secondary makking DR look much better than average QB. Game week comes and it will be blind hatred for UM with no doubt in my mind we win!

 

[Great Lakes Irish]

Seems to me this thread is about two things:

1. Denard Robinson being a gifted athlete that can hurt you at any time during a game, but if you stay disciplined and have confidence in your own abilities, you can defeat him by exploiting his (often glaring) weaknesses, rendering him unthreatening.

2. That disrespect and unnecessary aggression/hostility is harmful to the discourse on IE. Offering respect to others (while demanding it of yourself) seems more apt for a board that exemplifies the ideals of ND.

I hardly ever post 'cause I often don't have much to add, but this thread seems to pretty much be a big net negative anyway.

 

[koonja]

I hate to distract from the cyber sword fighting (lol jk guys, it's actually entertaining in my boring *** computer networking class), but I noticed that Michigan is 21.5 over Air Force.

I'm a bit surprised by that, as Air Force is coming off of a 49-21 win over Idaho State (I know, it's Idaho, but still), where they racked up 484 yards rushing and 142 passing.

Does anyone see this being a game in the 4th quarter?

 

[DCIrish]

I amazes me that people can waste time on a message board arguing over things that are so stupid.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

For the record, here are the other QB's who have "beaten" ND in the last 2 seasons:

Matt Barkley
That-dude-from-Tulsa
E.J. Manuel
That-dude-from-USF
Kirk Cousins (OT)
Andrew Luck
That-dude-from-Navy

I don't think the common thread here is that all these teams had scary-awesome QB's...Although Luck and Barkley are certainly great ones, ND kills itself more often than not.

In 2010 for example, when D. Robinson hit 500 total yards the Wolverines were still down by 3.

In my view if you're going to fear something, it's offensive ineptitude and turnovers. Of course, bone-headed defensive plays never help...but turnovers and stalled drives is what puts the D in that position in the first place.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Wow, feels like I've stepped into the Scopes (Monkey) Trial

Did I miss something?

Yeah, looks like a QUOTE tag was dropped; very confusing

 

[NDinL.A.]

That is because I was not the only one who said that they disagreed with the OP, but YOU were the only one who told ME that I knew nothing about football. Maybe it was a coincidence you ignored every other poster who thought the OP was full of crap.

Man, you sure do like to make sh!t up, or just read what you choose to read and ignore everything else. Here is EXACTLY what I said to you:

Huge difference between 'fear' and 'things to be concerned about'. If you're not concerned about Denard, after what he did to us the past 2 years, or about Michigan, after what they did the past 3 years, then you either don't know football at all or are just choosing to see things through ND-colored glasses.

Never said you don't know football, I gave you an either/or. You chose that former. That's on you. I honestly thought you were just being a homer, but after rwading what you keep saying over and over, well, sorry, but you really don't know the game of football at all. (There, NOW I said it.)

Because anybody who says that Denard Robinson doesn't have the upper hand on Notre Dame after he BROKE RECORDS against and IS UNDEFEATED AGAINST US, knows sh!t about football. And anyone who says Denard sucks, after he BROKE RECORDS against and IS UNDEFEATED AGAINST US, knows sh!t about football. Sucky passer? Absolutely (although he has still thrown for over 500 yds in 2 games against us plus, what, 7 TD's? Not sure, but 4 last year). But he sucks? Foolish and ignorant, or just obsessively and embarrassingly myopic. Me? I choose to see things through the real world. I'm weird like that.

Bottom line is you are a crappy moderator and you've banned and/or run off more people off this site than anyone else.

Hooray for me!!! (funny how the one who got butt-hurt for perceived personal name-calling - which I never did, now does what she says she never does. Interesting)

And btw, irony of all ironies, this crappy moderator has dumped more consistently negative people, which you have been railing about this entire thread, than anyone else. Problem is, you want your cake and you want to eat it too. You want me to ban people, but then you rail against me for banning people. Get a grip.

Moderating is more art than science, and I've definitely made my share of mistakes. But I've seen this site grow from having an all-time high of 500 people on-line at once and normally 50-60 people viewing, to consistently having several hundreds and even thousands people viewing this site, with an all-time high of over 5000 people viewing the site at once. I'm proud to be a part of that, major mistakes and all. And if that means offending or running off people that didn't want to be a part if this site the way the admin wants, well so be it.

And if you and bogs want to make this site where we all hold hands and sing kumbaya and say that everyone else sucks and ND can do know wrong and anyone who disagrees should be banned, well, you're on the wrong site. Ain't gonna happen. This ain't a place for people to do nothing but b!tch and complain, but it ain't a place where opinions about ND that aren't always popular will be shot down.

I have nothing to do with what Bogs posted, he's his own person. But if you want to continue to run this site like a joke, that's fine. I don't wish to be part of it. And guess what else? Denard Robinson STILL SUCKS.

C-ya??? Too bad you couldn't handle this debate without taking your ball and going home. I would stay if I were you, but hey, to each his/her own.

But really, the only joke is this thread (and admittedly me engaging so much in it), are several of your statements. Sadly, you fail to see that:

A. Your statements about Denard not having the upper hand on ND is ridiculous, and Denard sucking is ridiculous, and

B. No one is saying they are scared of Michigan! LOL...you and bogs got yourselves all worked up, and all we were saying is that Michigan and Denard gives us something to be concerned about. When you saw that, you guys started arguing with phantoms and making sh!t up about how scared we all were and how this site is being run by the negative nancies and blah blah blah.

Read more closely, and if you do decide to come back, just do better. And if you continue to yell at everybody for things we didn't say, and if you continue to post things that make ZERO sense and show a lack of football knowledge while passing it off as fact, well, just know that people are going to respond and you should try and come back stronger with your responses.

The end (LOL, probably not...I can't help myself when I see these types of phantom 'arguments').

 

[irishpat183]

^This. Do all of you think our guys are gonna run onto the field with fear in their hearts because of DR? SERIOUSLY!? You don't belong on a football team, or in sports for that matter, if you're scared of your opponent. The fans need to have the mindset of their team. We expect to win, and we know we will win. No excuses.

Jerry Rice was fueled by fear (listen to his HOF speech)...does he not belong on a football field? So get off that crap.

There is a certain amount of fear that is good. If you "fear" that your opponent can brake off a 60 yarder at anytime, you'll plan for it.

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear."

 

[irishpat183]

For the record, here are the other QB's who have "beaten" ND in the last 2 seasons:

Matt Barkley
That-dude-from-Tulsa
E.J. Manuel
That-dude-from-USF
Kirk Cousins (OT)
Andrew Luck
That-dude-from-Navy

I don't think the common thread here is that all these teams had scary-awesome QB's...Although Luck and Barkley are certainly great ones, ND kills itself more often than not.

In 2010 for example, when D. Robinson hit 500 total yards the Wolverines were still down by 3.

In my view if you're going to fear something, it's offensive ineptitude and turnovers. Of course, bone-headed defensive plays never help...but turnovers and stalled drives is what puts the D in that position in the first place.

Robinson in his last two bouts with ND....950 total yards and 8 TD's.

Face it. He's got our number. And is a scary guy to chase around on Saturdays

 

[military_irish]

I hate to distract from the cyber sword fighting (lol jk guys, it's actually entertaining in my boring *** computer networking class), but I noticed that Michigan is 21.5 over Air Force.

I'm a bit surprised by that, as Air Force is coming off of a 49-21 win over Idaho State (I know, it's Idaho, but still), where they racked up 484 yards rushing and 142 passing.

Does anyone see this being a game in the 4th quarter?

I think it will be a game going into the 4th quarter, but Michigan will have some plays bounce their way and Denard will break a big run or two. Which will have them up by 2 touchdowns or so and somehow it will be made that they dominated the whole game.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

He definitely puts up great numbers, partly because he's both their QB and RB. And he's basically 2-0 against us. So kudos to him on that.

But I swear on everything holy, if ND can move the ball and not turn it over, ND will win. If he doesn't put up a big/lucky play the whole drive stalls -- he basically relies on the law of averages and hence needs possessions.

 

[NDinL.A.]

He definitely puts up great numbers, partly because he's both their QB and RB. And he's basically 2-0 against us. So kudos to him on that.

But I swear on everything holy, if ND can move the ball and not turn it over, ND will win. If he doesn't put up a big/lucky play the whole drive stalls -- he basically relies on the law of averages and hence needs possessions.

Agreed. Must not beat ourselves.

And as for Denard, man does he seem to come up with those big and/or lucky plays a ton against us. Those runs aren't luck...kid is just a beast on the ground. Those ducks???? Effing A. I've never seen a luckier QB in my life. Maddening.

But I think we'll win because I think we are a better team. We've been better for the past 3 years IMO and have nothing to show for it, making it all the more frustrating. Gotta change that this year...

 

[irishog77]

Holy hell.....are you serious??? HE BEAT US 2 YEARS IN A ROW, WHILE PUTTING UP RIDICULOUS, VIDEO GAME-LIKE NUMBERS. That is the very definition of having the upper hand! If ND had a QB that did to Michigan what Denard has done to ND, you'd be calling Michigan fans delusional if they said what you said above.



Yup, and they still beat us, which makes it even more sad. Thanks for proving my point.



You're veering way off point. That has nothing to do with this thread.



Yes, I do, and the above statement really doesn't say a lot of for your football viewing prowess. Do you realize that Denard set numerous records on ND's defense in 2010? Do yourself a favor and go watch those highlights again. He torched us. He's a friggin' QB, and he ran for over 270 yards against us! And he also added 244 passing yards against us for good measure. RECORD-BREAKING. And you are saying he hardly kicked our a$$??? WTF does a guy have to do then? Call me a jerk, call me an a$$hole, call me a pig, call me maybe, but sorry, that's an embarrassing statement up above for any ND fan to say, especially one who says she watched the game. I wouldn't go anywhere around other college football fans and say that line.



Oh OK, that gives me hope for this year's game. We dominated but you're saying our guys had no heart and we gave up in the single biggest game of the year. Awesome. (I completely disagree with that statement btw...we had a lot more reasons for why we lost than simply 'giving up'. The guys fought all the way through IMO).



Not scared. Please read closer. Much, much closer. And oh, btw, they beat us 3 years in a row, and I remember last year a certain someone saying we shouldn't be worried about Michigan, and we lost anyway. Hmmmmmm.



So a team that has beaten us 3 years in a row, has very good talent and is well-coached has no chance against us? Got it. (Resisting the urge to add obvious snarky comment.)



LOL. Sorry, but guess what? That dude that 'sucks' has beaten ND 2 years in a row and has put up record numbers against us in the process. So if he sucks...what does that make Notre Dame?

You know who else is fast? Usain Bolt. But he can't play football like Denard, and he hasn't beaten ND twice nor has he put up record numbers against ND.

Man, I'm trying to be nice, but you have some comments on here that reflect extremely poorly on your football knowledge. Extremely poorly. And before you go playing the gender card again, I'd say that to a male, a female, an alien, anyone. If Denard sucks, that ND is the worst program in football, because he torched us 2 years ago and put up 330+ yds passing, 100 yds rushing, and 4 TDs against us last year in a winning effort. I'd love to have a QB that 'sucked' that badly.



I gave you an either or. I do that all the time with male posters. You chose to take it as a gender slam. It wasn't. Apology accepted.



And I've never argued with you, until now. I've never put you down for your thoughts, I've never made fun of you for being a female, or anything close to it. You chose to take it there. Sorry, but I think you've made some ridiculous statements on this thread, and if the roles were reversed and ND had been beating Michigan, you'd be laughing your arse off at all these excuses. You'd have to, because the scoreboard doesn't lie, and the numbers don't lie. Yes, Denard SUCKS at throwing. Unfortunately for us, college quarterbacking is much more than throwing (ask Tommy Rees). And no one runs the ball like Denard Robinson.



Man, I really, really wish you'd pay closer attention to what I've written on this thread and even written on this site. It'd make this debate make a ton more sense and make it less one-sided (male chauvinist remark!!!). Cause you've got the wrong dude if you think I'm a Debbie Downer. I've already told you I LOVED what I saw during the Navy game. If you want to close your eyes and make believe I didn't say that just to make your argument appear better in your head, so be it. But just know that you couldn't be further from the truth. I mean seriously, you are so far off here it's not even funny.

But forgive me if I dare say that ND needs to improve in some areas. How dare I do that!!!!!! How dare I say that we don't have the best front 7 in America!!! (Even though we have 2 new starting LBs and another LB in Fox that most ND fans think is subpar, and even though we haven't proven we can get after the QB with any consistency. How dare I???????) And how dare I bring up the fact that Michigan has beaten us 3 years in a row and that Denard has killed us with his legs and his arm? How dare I bring facts and reason into this discussion??? Only irrational thinking on this board! Yeah!!!!



I agree. I have no idea who you are arguing with. Once again, pay closer attention.


You keep thinking that. But I'd keep it in my own head, cause it's about as ridiculous a statement as I've heard on this board in my time here, and I've heard some doozies. Denard has the ultimate scoreboard and the numbers to back it up, but you keep thinking that.

And btw, I've said it several times but I know you haven't been reading my responses to you (at least I hope that's your excuse)...I think ND beats Michigan.

Alright bogs, commence the name-calling about me being a chauvinist and a jerk. "Protect' her again...

EDIT: Holy hell my last 2 posts were long. Apologies to anyone who wanted to read them. Got all fired up in my responses. I've made my point, I'll let the novels go from here on out...

I didn't want NDinL.A's subtle tribute to Carly Rae Jepsen to go unnoticed.

I saw it-- I read the words in the post, brah!