Denard Robinson

[Bogtrotter07]

...that was just about as funny a post as I've read in a bit....

the pictures of scantily clad dudes and talk of reach arounds...thats a little disconcerting...be gay if thats who you are, but give a brother a break with the imagery...

Thank you, that is exactly the immagry I get from the "all is lost to denard" crowd. When I was in high school I had the opportunity to play against three highschool All Americans and a half-dozen All State players. Of that about five went on to play at professional level. They were "by the sight test" all bigger, stronger and faster than me. But on that day, (more than one), I was the one that came out on top. I remember one kid, who the coaches said I made look like a "revoving door" on defense, who made all Big-Ten at OSU, came face to face in a john at a public event, and he said, "I remember you!" Then his voice trailed off . . .

That is why they play the game, and that is why there is no "King of Football," because on any give day, and this year we only need 12 of 'em!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Honestly, Denard doesn't worry me as much as he has in the past. I know he improved during the offseason and allegedly is poised for a Heisman run, but I think he more or less plays to our strengths. Our run defense ranges from good to great, and our defensive line and linebackers have more speed than we've had there in the past decade. Robinson, despite Musberger and Gameday's drooling about his improved passing, still is a sub-par quarterback. An incredible athlete who happens to play quarterback and scares the shiit out of defenses, but not an incredible quarterback. Most of the throws he beat us with last year were horrible throws, jump balls that were caught because of blown coverage or poor mechanics by our corners (Gary Gray, I'm looking at you).

I know he'll hurt us with some big plays, but if we can even partially contain him the way I know we can I'm not that worried about what the rest of Michigan's team can do. Their D-Line is suspect, so we should theoretically have our way in the running game, leaving no need to focus on passing, which is good because Michigan's pass defense is pretty good.

He didn't hurt us with one play until the late third quarter when we were tired. We played so much two gap, and we played with our starters the whole game. The reason Denard had any plays, that you all want to crucify Gary Gray, and that we lost in the last two seconds is because we exausted our starting three defensive linemen.

This year we have seven that can play; last year Lynch and Tuitt didn't even see the field against Michigan. Also, don't look now but we have some real size, and speed on the edge. We had little comparably last year.

As far as corner play, there were a lot of missed assignments last year, but we had the linemen shortening the play, (this year will even be better; our line is more experienced and their line is - - - bad), and we had over the top help from the safties. We will get that this year. I think the post Navy criticism is unwarrented for the safties.

5). which brings me to a last point: we are in great 4 quarter shape, and we have actual vocal leadership on this team to rouse that energy and power. We will hit and we will roar all four quarters to the gun. Our guys are REALLY tired of losing to Michigan. We have the extra motivation; they don't.

Exactly! And we have twice as many that can play as we did last year!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Why are you ladies getting so damn butt-hurt over several of us voicing a few concerns we have with DR. The title of the thread is 'Denard Robinson'.

I have all the faith in the world in the Irish. Just voicing some reasonable concerns about DR......in a Denard Robinson thread.......

Nobody is butt hurt; some of us are tired of drama (queens?) How does that work, you calling posters ladies with that avatar?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Who is denrad and what has happened to everyone's equipment? I thought this was a football site. And I thought some of you had an oz of masculinity. Denard was totally exposed yesterday.

If Notre Dame does not have a top defense at lease eveyone else have the courtesy of not asking Denard for a reacharound when you bend over for him.

I fully expect this post to be deleted, but I am really getting tired of everybody showing their "wisdom" by making assinine statements and acting like God never gave them a set. Our guys are going to be so motivated that I will bet my last vbuck that the Irish punish him worse than the Tide.

The smartest post on this thread tonight was that we need to score more points than our opponents if we want to win.

You might want to grow a pair yourself and realize that ND (wait for it...this is going to shock you) might actually lose a game this year. I know, crazy right! So when someone (or many of us) voice an opinion that states that there are concerns, it's not about not having a sack, it's about watching and following the game and looking at it from an objective (as much as possible anyway) POV.

Let me ask you this: Were our guys motivated against USC last year? Did they win? Did they play motivated? Were they motivated last year vs. Michigan? You know, the same Michigan team we had dominated but yet lost to 2 times in a row in heartbreaking fashion? Did they win? The answer...NO. Talk about motivation all you want; the truth is, we've had plenty of reasons to be motivated for Michigan and have lost. Did you apologize to any of us who had concerns after last year's loss? Nope.

So please show me ONE asinine statement on this thread from me (you did quote me) regarding Denard (funny how you point to a typo as a dig). Just one, and explain why it's asinine. I'll be waiting.

I hope that ND wins. I pray that ND wins. I think ND will win. I'll be at that game being just as loud as the loudest fan in the stadium. But it's not 'asinine' nor is it not having a pair to realize that Denard (you know, the guy who can't throw) has thrown for 582 yards and 5 TDs while also rushing for over 370 yards in only 2 games against us, and that it's not inconceivable that it could happen again. Explain those numbers to me and how any of our thoughts are 'asinine', and the next 5 rounds are on me next time you come to a game.

So yeah, keep bagging on those of us who live in the real world, where ND's opponents are talented and ND isn't perfect and bad things do happen to the team. We do love our team just as much as you, except we choose to believe what we see and not what we hope...

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Why are you ladies getting so damn butt-hurt over several of us voicing a few concerns we have with DR. The title of the thread is 'Denard Robinson'.

I have all the faith in the world in the Irish. Just voicing some reasonable concerns about DR......in a Denard Robinson thread.......

I wouldn't call it butt hurt, I call it fed up. You sound like the delusional folks who think Michigan got the raw end of the deal playing big scary Alabama. Poor Michigan, the nerve of people not understanding how unfair it was to put the #8 team against the reigning national champions and expect them to give at least 60 minutes worth of serious football. Then the audacity of their opponents to open to "lame" teams so they win when everyone knew Michigan was going to lose!! Seriously?! No. The bottom line is, the 2012 ND squad will not let them out out of our stadium without a fight. I'm sure the D line is well aware of what they need to do and I believe Michigan is going to get what's been coming to them on 9/22. We don't need to keep starting threads about fearing Michigan. If any team is at risk of becoming irrelevant to football, I'm laying my money on Michigan.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I wouldn't call it butt hurt, I call it fed up. You sound like the delusional folks who think Michigan got the raw end of the deal playing big scary Alabama. Poor Michigan, the nerve of people not understanding how unfair it was to put the #8 team against the reigning national champions and expect them to give at least 60 minutes worth of serious football. Then the audacity of their opponents to open to "lame" teams so they win when everyone knew Michigan was going to lose!! Seriously?! No. The bottom line is, the 2012 ND squad will not let them out out of our stadium without a fight. I'm sure the D line is well aware of what they need to do and I believe Michigan is going to get what's been coming to them on 9/22. We don't need to keep starting threads about fearing Michigan. If any team is at risk of becoming irrelevant to football, I'm laying my money on Michigan.

Huge difference between 'fear' and 'things to be concerned about'. If you're not concerned about Denard, after what he did to us the past 2 years, or about Michigan, after what they did the past 3 years, then you either don't know football at all or are just choosing to see things through ND-colored glasses.

Either way, the point many of us are trying to make is that while we envision ND winning, it is foolish to think Denard won't be able to throw on us based on his Alabama performance. We don't have Bama's defense (especially in the secondary), and fans like you and bogs and arrow all told us last year how Denard couldn't throw on us, and he did just that. Are we supposed to close our eyes to that reality???

 

[Irish#1]

Our o-line and d-lines are better than UM's. If we control the line of scrimmage we will be okay. I would rather contain their run and force DR to throw the ball. That means we're forcing them into something they don't want. DR may be a better passer than last year, but he's still throwing some ducks.

But before we beat UM, we still need to take care of Purdue.

 

[KPENN]

Our o-line and d-lines are better than UM's. If we control the line of scrimmage we will be okay. I would rather contain their run and force DR to throw the ball. That means we're forcing them into something they don't want. DR may be a better passer than last year, but he's still throwing some ducks.

But before we beat UM, we still need to take care of Purdue.

And Sparty

 

[china423]

Michigan loses starting CB Blake Countess with torn ACL

 

[koonja]

Michigan Wolverines CB Blake Countess out for 2012 for torn ACL - ESPN

Was Chris Bryant the starting LT? He's a redshirt freshman and it says he is out with a broken tibia.

Corners who will replace:
Junior Courtney Avery, 3*
Scout.com: Courtney Avery Profile
Courtney Avery - Yahoo! Sports

Sophomore Raymon Taylor, 3/4*
Scout.com: Raymon Taylor Profile
Raymon Taylor - Yahoo! Sports

Sophomore Delonte Hollowell, 3*
Scout.com: Delonte Hollowell Profile
Delonte Hollowell - Yahoo! Sports

Not a lot of PT among these 3. Does anyone know anything about any of them? They've registered about a combined 40 tackles but that's all I know.

 

[irish4ever]

Ruck Fobinson and scUM too!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You might want to grow a pair yourself and realize that ND (wait for it...this is going to shock you) might actually lose a game this year. I know, crazy right! So when someone (or many of us) voice an opinion that states that there are concerns, it's not about not having a sack, it's about watching and following the game and looking at it from an objective (as much as possible anyway) POV.

Let me ask you this: Were our guys motivated against USC last year? Did they win? Did they play motivated? Were they motivated last year vs. Michigan? You know, the same Michigan team we had dominated but yet lost to 2 times in a row in heartbreaking fashion? Did they win? The answer...NO. Talk about motivation all you want; the truth is, we've had plenty of reasons to be motivated for Michigan and have lost. Did you apologize to any of us who had concerns after last year's loss? Nope.

So please show me ONE asinine statement on this thread from me (you did quote me) regarding Denard (funny how you point to a typo as a dig). Just one, and explain why it's asinine. I'll be waiting.

I hope that ND wins. I pray that ND wins. I think ND will win. I'll be at that game being just as loud as the loudest fan in the stadium. But it's not 'asinine' nor is it not having a pair to realize that Denard (you know, the guy who can't throw) has thrown for 582 yards and 5 TDs while also rushing for over 370 yards in only 2 games against us, and that it's not inconceivable that it could happen again. Explain those numbers to me and how any of our thoughts are 'asinine', and the next 5 rounds are on me next time you come to a game.

So yeah, keep bagging on those of us who live in the real world, where ND's opponents are talented and ND isn't perfect and bad things do happen to the team. We do love our team just as much as you, except we choose to believe what we see and not what we hope...

Yeah, I was thinking about attaching my post to your's because you weren't really who I was addressing with the main part of my comments. I went back and edited my original post to hopefully reflect that better. I am sorry for the inference I left through my own poor communication. But here are some fun facts.

When people think of last years pass rush they think of AL as their champion.

Al did not play against Michigan. Nor did Tuitt. Nor did any other of the super freshmen class, except in a very minimal role.

AL's vaunted reputation as a pass rusher came at his sacrafice of the team concept of the 3-4, and he didn't end up with any better stat's than anyone else on the team would have when they threw Diaco's assignments to the wind.

AL couldn't have outrun Navy for 77 yards and not looked winded, because he was never in the kind of shape Stephon is. He was nor will not be in that kind of shape because of his work ethic off of the field. We have discussed this.

Sheldon Day will be ready to make substatial contributions, greater than what AL or ST did for Michigan last year, and only part of it is the fact that the game comes two weeks later in the season.

This Irish team is GROWING! In ability. Playing two games later in the season realy favors us.

We are so much faster and capable at the edges that it isn't funny, what a difference a year makes.

Fox and Calabrese are being written off but with Grace I have more than ansillary evidence that there game has stepped up with Manti's.

Against Michigan, ND's new bad attitude, (which you are correct, was not evident against USC last year, is important.

Last year ND was motivated to win. If they have the same ugly attitude they did against Navy, that is a whole new thing. Bama had it and Michigan was ready to walk off the field after the first quarter. ND had it against Navy, but you are right, we can't say for sure they will have it again. I believe once you get it, though, you are pretty unwilling to give it up.

The problem with USC was attitude, last year. Even though they had the atitude to win against Michigan, they did not have the attitude to destroy. That still wasn't the real problem. Michigan was an extremely mediocre team that met with unusual success last year. Our problem against Michigan was two few of subs that could play at high enought level, and too poor of conditioning. Navy proved our linemen can run and not tire, they have a much more dangerous edge, than at any time last year, and they expect to win. With the second offense scoring twice, and the defenders coming off the bench and contributing without much of a drop off, we have the rX for a big time victory.

Sure things could go wrong, but that is where brolic comes in. Don't confuse my talking about what our team can and needs to do with homerism. The great Jim Brown said it, something like how he has run the touchdown a hundred times in his head before he ever touched the ball. That is how the champions do it; they worry about what they are going to do to win, and let their opponents worry about everything else. What they find to win, they find in themselves. And you cannot go looking for it in your opponents.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Huge difference between 'fear' and 'things to be concerned about'. If you're not concerned about Denard, after what he did to us the past 2 years, or about Michigan, after what they did the past 3 years, then you either don't know football at all or are just choosing to see things through ND-colored glasses.

Either way, the point many of us are trying to make is that while we envision ND winning, it is foolish to think Denard won't be able to throw on us based on his Alabama performance. We don't have Bama's defense (especially in the secondary), and fans like you and bogs and arrow all told us last year how Denard couldn't throw on us, and he did just that. Are we supposed to close our eyes to that reality???

I have to disagree, honestly, I think that you, KissMe, OMM, Arrow and just a couple others are the only ones not speaking with fear and dread. I can almost smell it across the wire!

Denard cannot throw. What he does when he launches the duck is in violation of everything that a good db is taught about a qb's tendencies. That is why his flat stones skip across one receiver's helmet who is being double covered into anothers hands for the game winning touchdown against OSU. And that is why you or I could make the pass to the receiver who "turned around and stood there to catch the ball after two defenders got tangled and fell" against VT! This year every team will follow the Alabama plan, and let him throw. Watch how many games his arm lets him win this year.

And watch how injuries KILL u of M this year.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Nobody is butt hurt; some of us are tired of drama (queens?) How does that work, you calling posters ladies with that avatar?

It's not drama, it's intelligent football discussion. How does understanding your opponent and voicing a possible method of containing him translate to drama?

I guess calling you guys ladies was a bit immature, so for that I apologize, except to kissme, I stand by my statement calling you a lady.


I'll try to find an avatar of a big burly man, so I don't confuse anyone about my gender.....you know Nuetered wasn't really a Deer, right?

 

[Old Man Mike]

I have the feeling that the "Alabama Experience" is going to have some very longterm effects. Not only did The Denard get his bell rung so bad that he had to go to the locker room for a while [and looked in pain], but commentators are now saying that Alabama simply used the anti-Denard defensive blueprint that VT, MSU, and even Illinois already had demonstrated.

Beyond that, losing Countess is probably significant. Although Michigan is theoretically deep there, Countess was their best [and genuinely pretty good] so they must lose something there. Worse for them is the O-Line. I've heard that their stud Taylor Lewan is out for four weeks. Their starting TE is out for some time too. And Hoke couldn't decide who the center would be until just before gametime --- something to do with erratic ball-snapping in the shotgun. There may be some serious disintegration going on. We'll have to wait and see, of course, but MSU probably is grinning ear-to-ear.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Huge difference between 'fear' and 'things to be concerned about'. If you're not concerned about Denard, after what he did to us the past 2 years, or about Michigan, after what they did the past 3 years, then you either don't know football at all or are just choosing to see things through ND-colored glasses.

Either way, the point many of us are trying to make is that while we envision ND winning, it is foolish to think Denard won't be able to throw on us based on his Alabama performance. We don't have Bama's defense (especially in the secondary), and fans like you and bogs and arrow all told us last year how Denard couldn't throw on us, and he did just that. Are we supposed to close our eyes to that reality???

Typical man, I know nothing about football. You're right. Apparently, I watched a different game of Bama vs MI than you. The game I saw was the one where Denard Robinson still sucked. Can he run fast and make plays when he finds a hole? Yes. Can he connect some lucky passes? Yes. But he still threw 40% completion. For Michigan to be so highly ranked there is no reason for them only scoring twice on alabama. None. Denard is the same person who thinks he can out run Usain Bolt in a 40 yd dash for crying out loud. Notre Dame has lost 3 yrs in a row to Michigan not because Michigan was good, not because they are a powerhouse, they lost because ND was making really stupid mistakes, the same mistakes they made in every game. There will not be a 4th loss to scUM. All you guys ever do is cry about the sky falling, and then ND comes out looking better and you still aren't happy. These concerns are just a little tiresome now.

 

[NDinL.A.]

but commentators are now saying that Alabama simply used the anti-Denard defensive blueprint that VT, MSU, and even Illinois already had demonstrated.

You can ND to that list. We had him bottled up for 3 quarters (7 points allowed - even less than Alabama in Michigan's house) but just didn't turn around on his hail Mary's and ducks, and let him get away for a couple of runs late. The only thing that worries me is that we had better, more experienced players last year in the secondary. We're gonna need Bennett and Russell to grow up real quick, because Denard carries a clover whenever he plays ND...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It's not drama, it's intelligent football discussion. How does understanding your opponent and voicing a possible method of containing him translate to drama?

I guess calling you guys ladies was a bit immature, so for that I apologize, except to kissme, I stand by my statement calling you a lady.


I'll try to find an avatar of a big burly man, so I don't confuse anyone about my gender.....you know Nuetered wasn't really a Deer, right?

For a minute there, I almost understood you.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You can ND to that list. We had him bottled up for 3 quarters (7 points allowed - even less than Alabama in Michigan's house) but just didn't turn around on his hail Mary's and ducks, and let him get away for a couple of runs late. The only thing that worries me is that we had better, more experienced players last year in the secondary. We're gonna need Bennett and Russell to grow up real quick, because Denard carries a clover whenever he plays ND...

See?

Now we are on the same page!

Year two, at the begining of the season, we only had three d-linemen ready, Sean was hurt, and we only had 1 3/4 linebackers. (That is because Manti counted as more than one.)

Agreed about the growing up. But the state of Michigans receiving corps is worse than last year!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

2010 Michigan rushing stats for denard in losses:
MSU-84yds
Iowa-105yds
Penn St-191yds
Wisc-121yds
OSU-105yds
Miss St.-59yds

2011 rushing stats in losses:
Mich St.-42
Iowa-27

2012 rushing stats in losses(so far):
Bama-27



Anyone who thinks we should rush the passer, causing him to scramble is crazy! He's averaging 84.5yds per game when they lose. Keep him in the pocket and make his a$$ throw!
We rush him, he jukes, then tears off 25 at a time, and we lose.

Brilliant point. And this is why after the game, when we don't force him to run, like we didn't last year (What did we hold him to?) that so many fans will criticise our pass rush!

I guess they would like it more if AL was there and forced him out of the pocket into a crease that was left where AL was supposed to be defending!~

 

[elboricua]

See?

Now we are on the same page!

Year two, at the begining of the season, we only had three d-linemen ready, Sean was hurt, and we only had 1 3/4 linebackers. (That is because Manti counted as more than one.)

Agreed about the growing up. But the state of Michigans receiving corps is worse than last year!

The D-line will be better and thats nice(as long as its healthy when ND actually plays that game.) The linebackers will be faster and bigger for sure but discipline and aggressiveness will be the issue in Councell and Williams and Shembo's play. But as to Michigan's receiving corps. it's not worse. It's probably, as far as we are concerned, the same or better. To me, Gardner looked plenty talented and you do not need more than that against our secondary right now. They lost Hemingway but Gardner can win jump balls. Smith and Gallon are quality players who can run. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's hope by this game that Farley is playing a more prominent role and wins the job maybe from Motta.

 

[nd1989]

The D-line will be better and thats nice(as long as its healthy when ND actually plays that game.) The linebackers will be faster and bigger for sure but discipline and aggressiveness will be the issue in Councell and Williams and Shembo's play. But as to Michigan's receiving corps. it's not worse. It's probably, as far as we are concerned, the same or better. To me, Gardner looked plenty talented and you do not need more than that against our secondary right now. They lost Hemingway but Gardner can win jump balls. Smith and Gallon are quality players who can run. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's hope by this game that Farley is playing a more prominent role and wins the job maybe from Motta.

Gardner looks scary good at the jump ball. And Gallon looks strong and can run. If you bottle up Denard, MI approach is to throw the jump ball. It's not high tech, but it's effective against most teams. It wasn't effective against Alabama, because Nick Saban teaches the CBs ball and body awareness to knock that down. But against us last year it was extremely effective.

So in three weeks, when we play them. We'll probably bottle up Denard, like we did last year, and we'll see if we've learned anything about defending the jump ball.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Typical man, I know nothing about football. You're right. Apparently, I watched a different game of Bama vs MI than you. The game I saw was the one where Denard Robinson still sucked. Can he run fast and make plays when he finds a hole? Yes. Can he connect some lucky passes? Yes. But he still threw 40% completion. For Michigan to be so highly ranked there is no reason for them only scoring twice on alabama. None. Denard is the same person who thinks he can out run Usain Bolt in a 40 yd dash for crying out loud. Notre Dame has lost 3 yrs in a row to Michigan not because Michigan was good, not because they are a powerhouse, they lost because ND was making really stupid mistakes, the same mistakes they made in every game. There will not be a 4th loss to scUM. All you guys ever do is cry about the sky falling, and then ND comes out looking better and you still aren't happy. These concerns are just a little tiresome now.

LOL..all I can say is wow.

Actually, I can say more. Where to begin?

Typical man, I know nothing about football.

You being a female has nothing to do with this. Stop using it as a crutch. I wrote that post in response to a football fan, which I assumed you were. You're on a football board after all. If you want to talk football with the boys, well, this is how we talk. My post to you has absolutely nothing to do with your gender. My wife loves football, and I love that about her. I'm glad there's a female on here talking football.

Apparently, I watched a different game of Bama vs MI than you.

Let's see...first of all, I hate to break it to you, but ND's defense isn't Alabama. That's like me saying that I know how to hook up with Jennifer Anniston because Brad Pitt did it. Yeah, there's that much of a difference between our defenses. That's what happens when you put out 13 defensive draft picks in the NFL draft in the past 3 yrs alone compared to 2 for ND.

The game I saw was the one where Denard Robinson still sucked. Can he run fast and make plays when he finds a hole? Yes. Can he connect some lucky passes? Yes. But he still threw 40% completion.

Still sucked? So you are saying that he sucked when he torched us for 244 yds passing and 278 yds rushing 2 years ago??? And he sucked last year when he torched us for over 300 yds passing and 100 yds rushing??? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? If he sucks, then what does that make our defense? If he played for ND and put up those numbers against Michigan, you'd want to put him in the HOF. And you know what else he did? Win both games. You know what we did? Lost both games. I guess I'd rather 'suck' and put up HUGE numbers and win than get absolutely embarrassed twice by a guy who 'sucks' and also lose at the same time. I guess I'm weird that way.

Denard is the same person who thinks he can out run Usain Bolt in a 40 yd dash for crying out loud.

Who gives a crap? He's also the same guy that beat our asses 2 years in a row. That's all that matters to me.

Notre Dame has lost 3 yrs in a row to Michigan not because Michigan was good, not because they are a powerhouse, they lost because ND was making really stupid mistakes, the same mistakes they made in every game.

Bunch of excuses. Guess what? We still lost. Scoreboard is all that matters.

All you guys ever do is cry about the sky falling, and then ND comes out looking better and you still aren't happy.

WTF are you talking about??? Do just a little bit of reading before coming out with crap that just isn't true. When have I EVER been a 'sky is falling' kind of guy? Where in this thread did I say the sky is falling, or that I was unhappy with Saturday's game. I LOVED what I saw on Saturday! I was the loudest dude in Brother's at Eddy St. Commons that morning. Really weak effort there.

These concerns are just a little tiresome now.

You were probably saying the same things last year, and the year before, and the year before. Guess what...the concerns about Denard (and the team in general) are warranted, whether you want to put blinders on or not. Read a little closer; I don'tknow how many times I need to write this before you finally get it, but I think ND will win the game. But there are things that the team needs to improve on (BK said as much), and there are absolutely reasons to be concerned about Denard.

To think otherwise is just foolish. Just look at the last 2 years.

 

[phgreek]

Thank you, that is exactly the immagry I get from the "all is lost to denard" crowd. When I was in high school I had the opportunity to play against three highschool All Americans and a half-dozen All State players. Of that about five went on to play at professional level. They were "by the sight test" all bigger, stronger and faster than me. But on that day, (more than one), I was the one that came out on top. I remember one kid, who the coaches said I made look like a "revoving door" on defense, who made all Big-Ten at OSU, came face to face in a john at a public event, and he said, "I remember you!" Then his voice trailed off . . .

That is why they play the game, and that is why there is no "King of Football," because on any give day, and this year we only need 12 of 'em!

...better man than me...

went against a couple...the one I remember the best...I got trucked over, and over, and over...never let him loose...but we always collapsed to the ground with him falling forward...

...against the other one I lost an entire quarter of football...I couldn't remember any of it......just a violent collision that no one tried to go head to head, but thats what happened. All I recall was watching film and thinking...wow, I'm watching some dude wearing my number play football...cause I don't remember any of it.

On O (yes ...both ways, and special teams), I shook both of them a couple times...stiff armed one so hard his helmet popped off...but all of that was more fear than skill...

I think if we do some things well against Denard, we win...if we do not contain, and we do not have Dbacks make plays on the punts he calls passes...or the passes that look like punts...anyway you get the point...if we don't do some things...we will lose. Knowing what we know of Denard, if we do lose we most assuredly will have beaten ourselves...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

LOL..all I can say is wow.

Actually, I can say more. Where to begin?



You being a female has nothing to do with this. Stop using it as a crutch. I wrote that post in response to a football fan, which I assumed you were. You're on a football board after all. If you want to talk football with the boys, well, this is how we talk. My post to you has absolutely nothing to do with your gender. My wife loves football, and I love that about her. I'm glad there's a female on here talking football.



Let's see...first of all, I hate to break it to you, but ND's defense isn't Alabama. That's like me saying that I know how to hook up with Jennifer Anniston because Brad Pitt did it. Yeah, there's that much of a difference between our defenses. That's what happens when you put out 13 defensive draft picks in the NFL draft in the past 3 yrs alone compared to 2 for ND.


Still sucked? So you are saying that he sucked when he torched us for 244 yds passing and 278 yds rushing 2 years ago??? And he sucked last year when he torched us for over 300 yds passing and 100 yds rushing??? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? If he sucks, then what does that make our defense? If he played for ND and put up those numbers against Michigan, you'd want to put him in the HOF. And you know what else he did? Win both games. You know what we did? Lost both games. I guess I'd rather 'suck' and put up HUGE numbers and win than get absolutely embarrassed twice by a guy who 'sucks' and also lose at the same time. I guess I'm weird that way.



Who gives a crap? He's also the same guy that beat our asses 2 years in a row. That's all that matters to me.



Bunch of excuses. Guess what? We still lost. Scoreboard is all that matters.


WTF are you talking about??? Do just a little bit of reading before coming out with crap that just isn't true. When have I EVER been a 'sky is falling' kind of guy? Where in this thread did I say the sky is falling, or that I was unhappy with Saturday's game. I LOVED what I saw on Saturday! I was the loudest dude in Brother's at Eddy St. Commons that morning. Really weak effort there.

You were probably saying the same things last year, and the year before, and the year before. Guess what...the concerns about Denard (and the team in general) are warranted, whether you want to put blinders on or not. Read a little closer; I don'tknow how many times I need to write this before you finally get it, but I think ND will win the game. But there are things that the team needs to improve on (BK said as much), and there are absolutely reasons to be concerned about Denard.

To think otherwise is just foolish. Just look at the last 2 years.

I just read your post on the post games thoughts thread where you had to "rehash" things. So I will rehash this one for you. ND played two gap with no spare defensive linemen for three and one half quarters at championship level, until they got tired. For that three and one half quarters DR had roughly 120 yards. He had over 200 yards in the closing minutes that he won't have this year; because it ain't gonna get any easier, because we are in better shape and have twice as many bodies. Fukk jump balls. There is a way to limit that.

Again there are so many sky is falling people on this site, and you seem to be more willing to support them with your usually incredibly balanced approach to things. But they don't really need a babysitter.

As far as what you did on this site to KissMe today. I like you just fine ND. But from time to time I have an issue with the distain with which you treat people. I have never seen it more clearly than today. I wonder if you have any idea. I see KissMe on this site always making sense. As much as anyone else. And I see condescending, sometimes misogynistic, always patronizing comments headed her way. Dude I cannot believe you actually made a Jennifer Anniston - Brad Pitt analogy to explain football to KissMe. OMG! You just put all of your good points over the edge on that one. That is the perfect example of passive/aggressive, condescending behavior!

 

[NDinL.A.]

I just read your post on the post games thoughts thread where you had to "rehash" things. So I will rehash this one for you.

I haven't read every post on this thread or this site. So you're not rehashing anything for me, cause I never saw it in the first place and it most definitely wasn't addressed specifically to me. On the other thread, the other guy and I were specifically in a conversation in which he kept ignoring the points - thus the 'rehash' comment.

ND played two gap with no spare defensive linemen for three and one half quarters at championship level, until they got tired. For that three and one half quarters DR had roughly 120 yards. He had over 200 yards in the closing minutes that he won't have this year; because it ain't gonna get any easier, because we are in better shape and have twice as many bodies.

You're acting like what you say is Gospel and set in stone. You don't know what will happen anymore than me or anyone else in the world. I say things 'could' happen and that history has shown that there is a good chance it will happen again, while you and kissme say, "this WILL happen" or "This WILL NOT happen" as if you guys know for sure. Sorry, you don't know for sure.

And everyone said we were in great shape last year...now you're saying we weren't??? Bullsh!t, we were in great shape, we just fell apart for a number of reasons (coaches, running out of gas chasing that jackrabbit all game, missed assignments, poor play). There is no way you or I know for certain that won't happen again. It most definitely COULD happen again. We all thought we'd get revenge last year, and we didn't.

Again there are so many sky is falling people on this site, and you seem to be more willing to support them with your usually incredibly balanced approach to things. But they don't really need a babysitter.

There are WAAAAAAYYYYYYY more people on the positive side than the 'sky is falling crowd', and it's not even close. I'm one of the more positive members you'll find on this site. Seriously, WTF are you and kissme talking about??? So I said that we need to be worried about Denard (while also saying I think we'll win)...what in the hell am I saying that is wrong??? What, because the best defense in the nation stopped Denard, we're all supposed to close our eyes and pretend that Denard didn't own us for 2 years in a row, just because the most pollyana poster on this site said so? Sorry, not gonna happen.

I'm not babysitting anyone. I'm stating my opinion. Sometimes I agree, mostly I disagree with them. But they have the right to speak their opinions. You post the most of anyone on this site, all pro-ND. It's like if anyone says one thing negative about ND, you're right there to respond. We don't babysit you, and we're not babysitting the others. We don't tell you to stop posting your incredible number of pro-ND posts, and we're not going to tell the 'other side' to stop posting their far less numerous 'negative' posts. Not gonna happen. Different points of view make this a great place to be. (This doesn't mean we're NDNation, where the miserable go to live and die. It just means different thoughts are allowed, people debate it, and it's all good.)

As far as what you did on this site to KissMe today. I like you just fine ND. But from time to time I have an issue with the distain with which you treat people. I have never seen it more clearly than today. I wonder if you have any idea.

I couldn't honestly care less about your interpretation of the way I treat people on this site, sorry. HCTI has already called me every name in the book and I'm still standing. I am what I am. I love Notre Dame and I love ND football, and I enjoy debate. If you think I treat people with distain, good for you. I don't hate nor distain anyone. Kissme is a grown-up, and she can handle herself just fine. She decided for some reason to bring her gender into the discussion and use it as a crutch. When in reality this has ZERO to do with her gender, but more to do with her (IMO absolutely ridiculous) comments regarding Denard, which I explained in my post. She also made sh!t up out of thin air about me being upset with the victory and that I was a part of the sky is falling crowd, which is just unbelievably untrue.

She doesn't need you to stick up for her...that just perpetuates the myth that a woman can't handle being on a football board. Like I said, she's a grown-up and knew what she was getting into when she signed up. I actually was pretty nice to her considering what I've said to others, but yet she played the gender card anyway. You and her seem to want it both ways - have her be one of the guys and be able to talk crap, but then hands off if anyone dare disagree with her. Sorry, for me, I don't see gender, I was just debating with another member. She brought up gender.

I see KissMe on this site always making sense. As much as anyone else.

And on this point, I didn't. So I said so. Then she brought her gender in it and made more ridiculous comments (I love it how Denard sucks and we're great, even though he beat us 2 years in a row. Makes a ton of sense.)

And I see condescending, sometimes misogynistic, always patronizing comments headed her way. Dude I cannot believe you actually made a Jennifer Anniston - Brad Pitt analogy to explain football to KissMe. OMG! You just put all of your good points over the edge on that one. That is the perfect example of passive/aggressive, condescending behavior!

LOL...I make pop-culture references all the time. Quit searching for ways to prove I was misogynistic. Good Lord.

The members of this site for an overwhelming majority of the time are always cool with kissme. I mean exceedingly cool. But like I said, what do you want??? Do you want us to treat her like a 'girl' and pretend she doesn't know sh!t about football and just ignore everything she says on the subject? Or do you want us to treat her like any other member and agree/disagree with her posts? To me, the latter shows more respect, and that's how I'd want my wife treated. And if my wife came on a football site and said some of the things kissme said about football, I'd tell her to expect to be debated on it, to not take it personally, and not bring her gender up.

Kissme did none of those things, unfortunately. So I debated back.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Sig check. Edit: Yesssssssssss

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

2011 - 7 points allowed in three quarters
2010 - 21 points allowed until :27 left in game

How about the defense just doesn't soil itself at the end of the game for once.

 

[johnnykillz]

Misogyn what?

Oh.

Mesohorny!

 

[NDPhilly]

Someone needs to make this a gif.

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