Dallas PD headquarters shooting...

[kmoose]

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Wow! Now shooting up cops is considered "courageous and brave"....

 

[Bugzly21]

well it is CNN

 

[woolybug25]

Wow! Now shooting up cops is considered "courageous and brave"....

Courageous - "not deterred by danger or pain; brave."

Brave - "people who are ready to face and endure danger or pain."

Those are the definitions of the words she used. Was she incorrect? I know people usually hear those words being used to describe good people, but they can be used to describe anyone facing great danger and/or pain head on. A villain can be courageous, doesn't change him being a villain.

The reporter used accurate words in her comment. She was referring to how brazen the guy was, not supporting his actions.

Crazy event. Terrible to see this kind of thing.

 

[Grahambo]

Courageous - "not deterred by danger or pain; brave."

Brave - "people who are ready to face and endure danger or pain."

Those are the definitions of the words she used. Was she incorrect? I know people usually hear those words being used to describe good people, but they can be used to describe anyone facing great danger and/or pain head on. A villain can be courageous, doesn't change him being a villain.

The reporter used accurate words in her comment. She was referring to how brazen the guy was, not supporting his actions.

Crazy event. Terrible to see this kind of thing.

Poor word choice.

You don't call a lunatic who tried blowing up police courageous and brave. Courageous and brave is June 6, 1944. Trying to blow up police because you are nuts is sad, pathetic, dumb, and all plethora of negative words.

 

[pumpdog20]

LOL, some people will defend anything, no matter how dumb it is.

 

[woolybug25]

Poor word choice.

You don't call a lunatic who tried blowing up police courageous and brave. Courageous and brave is June 6, 1944. Trying to blow up police because you are nuts is sad, pathetic, dumb, and all plethora of negative words.

Again... By definition, it means what it means. You guys might not like the word choice because of your personal connotations with them, but their definitions are clear. They do not have any connection with someone being "good" or "honorable". You guys may connect the words with that, but attacking this lady for using these words in proper tense is simply unwarranted. She wasn't agreeing, defending or supporting the act. She simply used adjectives that you guys have incorrectly deemed as offensive.

Again... Courageous and Brave do not mean honorable. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[kmoose]

Again... By definition, it means what it means. You guys might not like the word choice because of your personal connotations with them, but their definitions are clear. They do not have any connection with someone being "good" or "honorable". You guys may connect the words with that, but attacking this lady for using these words in proper tense is simply unwarranted. She wasn't agreeing, defending or supporting the act. She simply used adjectives that you guys have incorrectly deemed as offensive.

Again... Courageous and Brave do not mean honorable. They are not mutually exclusive.

I get what you are saying, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. But.....

Would you feel the same if some reporter called a kid with Down's Syndrome "retarded"?

 

[texbender]

Lucky the only one hurt was the courageous and brave one. Really a miracle no police were injured or killed....40 shots fired.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Courageous - "not deterred by danger or pain; brave."

Brave - "people who are ready to face and endure danger or pain."

Those are the definitions of the words she used. Was she incorrect? I know people usually hear those words being used to describe good people, but they can be used to describe anyone facing great danger and/or pain head on. A villain can be courageous, doesn't change him being a villain.

The reporter used accurate words in her comment. She was referring to how brazen the guy was, not supporting his actions.

Crazy event. Terrible to see this kind of thing.

Very similar to how Bill Maher lost his show on ABC though.

 

[GoldenDome]

Courageous - "not deterred by danger or pain; brave."

Brave - "people who are ready to face and endure danger or pain."

Those are the definitions of the words she used. Was she incorrect? I know people usually hear those words being used to describe good people, but they can be used to describe anyone facing great danger and/or pain head on. A villain can be courageous, doesn't change him being a villain.

The reporter used accurate words in her comment. She was referring to how brazen the guy was, not supporting his actions.

Crazy event. Terrible to see this kind of thing.

I agree, however Bill Maher made similar comments and was fired about 911. The same people who cry PC police are probably the ones crying about this CNN anchors comments.

A person can be brave and courageous while being evil and fanatic at the same time.

 

[GoldenDome]

Very similar to how Bill Maher lost his show on ABC though.

dammit, beat me to it. Kudos.

 

[magogian]

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Wow! Now shooting up cops is considered "courageous and brave"....

She probably thought he was part of the Black Lives Matter.

Upon learning he was just crazy: "Oops."

 

[nico7980]

What did she do wrong? She used the words in correct context. Like Wooly said. Just because she used it pertaining to someone who did something bad. Does not mean that she is agreeing with said action. Most who seem to disagree with her seems to do so based on "THEIR" meaning of the words she used. But, again, like Wooly stated. If you go by the definition of the word. She is correct. And No. It wasn't a bad choice of words. Her choice of words were accurate. It's just that most seem to only want to apply those words when it's in the positive sense.

 

[nico7980]

She probably thought he was part of the Black Lives Matter.

Upon learning he was just crazy: "Oops."

That's so off base.

 

[Redbar]

She probably thought he was part of the Black Lives Matter.

Upon learning he was just crazy: "Oops."

That's so off base.

He is a consistent race baiter. Not sure how he is still around.

 

[magogian]

He is a consistent race baiter. Not sure how he is still around.

Why the heck else would a person think it was "courageous and brave" to attack cops?

If someone said the 9-11 hijackers were courageous and brave, any of you that are sane would think the statement was incredibly offensive and that the speaker likely had some sympathy for the hijackers.

 

[magogian]

What did she do wrong? She used the words in correct context. Like Wooly said. Just because she used it pertaining to someone who did something bad. Does not mean that she is agreeing with said action. Most who seem to disagree with her seems to do so based on "THEIR" meaning of the words she used. But, again, like Wooly stated. If you go by the definition of the word. She is correct. And No. It wasn't a bad choice of words. Her choice of words were accurate. It's just that most seem to only want to apply those words when it's in the positive sense.

Oh good grief. It is the difference between the connotative and denotative meaning.

See my example of the 9-11 hijackers. The 9-11 hijackers may have fit the denotative meaning of "courageous" and "brave." But, if anyone said that, we wouldn't think the speaker was merely describing the 9-11 hijackers as people who faced danger without fear.

 

[Redbar]

Why the heck else would a person think it was "courageous and brave" to attack cops?

If someone said the 9-11 hijackers were courageous and brave, any of you that are sane would think the individual had at least some sympathy for the hijackers.

Your contributions to this site stand on their own, but go ahead and try to justify this one if you like. Like I said, surprised you are still allowed to post here.

 

[magogian]

Like I said, surprised you are still allowed to post here.

Typical leftist these days.

 

[Redbar]

Typical leftist these days.

If you were constantly introducing your biases and character flaws into threads from the other side you would have certainly been banned by now. And, I am certainly no leftist. I just want trolls to be banned on a consistent basis regardless of the ideology they constantly troll for.

 

[ThePiombino]

DISCLAIMER: I am one of the more impartial POVs I know as I don't have a horse in the political race and typically shy away from these threads for that reason, BUT if I may play devil's advocate for a second...

Is magonian's comment about this vs. 9-11 really that far off base? I think he makes a valid point. If the words "courageous" and "brave" were used to describe the hijackers on that day, I'm fairly certain the outrage would be unilateral. Are these words accurate by pure definition? Sure. But I think we all know that they typically are used in a positive light when describing one's actions. Magonian may be a political troll - I really don't know - and maybe this is troll bait, but all the same, I think this particular point is a valid one.

 

[Redbar]

ThePiombino,

She probably thought he was part of the Black Lives Matter.

Upon learning he was just crazy: "Oops."

This is the post that we are commenting on. As trolls will frequently do, Magogian moved the goal post. His first post was the one we are responding to, not his attempt to sanitize his feelings towards her and her choice of words.

 

[greyhammer90]

ThePiombino,



This is the post that we are commenting on. As trolls will frequently do, Magogian moved the goal post. His first post was the one we are responding to, not his attempt to sanitize his feelings towards her and her choice of words.

I have nothing to say on this topic but I'll agree with you regarding his making a post like that then deleting it as soon as he got the reaction he wanted.

Magogian,

 

[GoldenDomer]

Only on IE smh

 

[calvegas04]

I guess Hitler was courageous and brave for taking on the world.

 

[GoldenDome]

I guess Hitler was courageous and brave for taking on the world.

Are gang members who attack each other face to face more courageous and brave than a sniper who kills someone from 300 yards away in your estimation?

 

[calvegas04]

Are gang members who attack each other face to face more courageous and brave than a sniper who kills someone from 300 yards away in your estimation?

according to a few posters here they would be equal by definition

 

[GoldenDome]

according to a few posters here they would be equal by definition

Great deflection.

While you can figure out how to approach my last question, ponder this. Instead of using an emotional response, I have yet to see a cogent argument or valid definition that proves otherwise.

And my response to my own question since you are neither courageous nor brave to touch it, is that yes, snipers are less brave and courageous in my own opinion, especially if they pick someone off in the back of the head. This is not to say that they are not brave nor courageous in other aspects, but the act of shooting someone 300 yards away is less brave or courageous than fighting someone face to face. Plain and simple.

Take away the context and look at the action. Now if I replace the soldier fighting the enemy face to face or the other scenario of a gang member sniping another gang member 300 yards away.

What would your response be to that?

 

[ThePiombino]

Surely there must be another word(s) that mean the same, but in a more suitable context. Brazen, bold, defiant, etc. Courageous and brave* just seem...off.

EDIT: spelling correction

 

[Grahambo]

Again... By definition, it means what it means. You guys might not like the word choice because of your personal connotations with them, but their definitions are clear. They do not have any connection with someone being "good" or "honorable". You guys may connect the words with that, but attacking this lady for using these words in proper tense is simply unwarranted. She wasn't agreeing, defending or supporting the act. She simply used adjectives that you guys have incorrectly deemed as offensive.

Again... Courageous and Brave do not mean honorable. They are not mutually exclusive.

So, Hitler was also courageous and brave?