Motivates people to do what? Work? If they aren’t motivated to work for a company then naturally they find another job or maybe they take classes or learn a trade. Supply and Demand.
Big tech has really revolutionized how shelves are stocked at Walmart and floors get swept at CVS.
Well despite these anecdotal examples the numbers are what they are. It's not like we're talking about a 2% drop. Drop income by 40% while CoL, healthcare, and eduction continue to explode and then wonder why people balk at the idea that all they need to do is work harder.
Offer more money or go out of business.
Walmarts min wage is $14/hr. CVS is $15/hr. Technology advances in retail has allowed them more money. Example, self checkout.
I’ve never said work harder. Those are you and Toronto’s talking points you guys keep grasping out of nowhere. Work smarter, not harder. Bring value and increase your skills to be more valuable. It’s hard to take someone serious about getting more pay if they have been stocking the shelves and not advancing in life.
This comment makes the argument for me. Offer more or go out of business… I agree, let the market work itself out. Free market… a free market is based on a supply/demand methodology. We advance as a society by motivating people to bring value not expect value just because they can’t afford rent.
I will add, a lot tech advances make it easier to stock and take inventory by scanning/computer systems. We did full store inventories in 4000 sqft stores in about 7 hours with about $250k of inventory and we were small potatoes compared the big box.
The only way self checkout allowed them to pay their employees more is by allowing them to axe half their staffs. That doesn't make the ones remaining more or less valuable.
It should never have been a question. They don't "deserve" more pay. They're doing the most basic menial low end of the food chain jobs. They aren't getting a raise because they're such a go getter, they should be getting a raise every year to track with inflation. Rising tides lift all boats. Walmart, Target, McDonalds workers should be the lowest paid workers in our society. They are also exactly as valuable as they were 50 years ago. Their wages should reflect that.
Again workers today aren't less valuable than they were in generations past. It's not workers fault that the minimum wage has been mostly stagnate for decades. No employee can make themselves 40% more valuable with elbow grease and educating themselves. It's a farce.
So you don’t support innovation? Innovation saves money. As tech evolves so shall the worker and workforce. Innovation makes people less valuable, which is why people get axed who are less valuable.
Again… innovation makes their jobs easier. So why are they as valuable if their jobs are now easier?
Yes they are. And yes they can. 84% more valuable to be exact.
Motivates people to work harder. Show pride in their work. I supervised people my whole career and consistently got higher performance from folks who felt like they were treated with fairness and humanity instead of as a comodity. At issue is that wages, for decades, have been suppressed to the point that growing numbers of full time working Americans cannot afford to live on them. Which is to say nothing about the bleeding of once-standard benefits that are an afterthought for millions.
Well have they tried just going to school? A bachelor’s degree is only……
Simple as that. 🤔
Employment is an economic concept. Wages are higher post Covid than precovid… why? Employers needed employees to come back to work. It’s pretty simple.
Moving the goalposts. Now that it’s proven education does increase your personal value then we change the topic to education costs too much. Trade schools are drastically more inexpensive than college… which is also an education that earns the worker more wages. With any education we are obviously moving away from Target, McDonalds, Walmart territory.
Have you ever paid payroll with your own money?
No, moving the goalposts was you bringing up education in the first place. No one ever argued that an individual can't improve their own station in life by getting education. That's the same as it was in the 70s. What's not the same is a person doing the same job at the same education level as their 70s counterpart and getting paid the same amount.
How is this relevant? This is the same as your dual income household argument. It shouldn't matter if a person works 10 hours or 40 hours per week. That's their choice. Their hourly value isn't different because they work more or less. Their hourly value isn't less because there are two people working in a household.
It’s very relevant because your argument is that people should be making a living wage. We keep using the examples of McDonald’s Walmart target and other big box and fast food restaurants but if you are only working 25 to 30 hours per week that is going to drastically reduce your income. So let’s pretend we pay them $20 per hour, they are still not making the living wage you would probably want them to make so then you would probably come to the table and ask for more per hour. Walmart has stated they want to increase the number of full-time employees and that is a start but that’s assuming people want a full-time job instead of a part-time job. What bugs me is the majority of people asking for a higher minimum wage because they cannot survive are part time workers.
It’s a farce…
Quote me where I said that a part time employee should be making a living wage.
I think I'm just done at this point since you're clearly arguing in bad faith.
Lol, maybe I just need to find someone else to argue with who doesn’t change his opinions with which ever way the wind blows.
The whole basic general argument for raising minimum wage is that people at places that are predominantly part time are not making a living wage.
No one is changing their opinion. You're arguing about something no one has debated. As an individual getting an education will increase your wages. What is also true is that Jimmy washing dishes at Red Lobster isn't going to be paid 40% more after he gets his bachelors to do the same job.
Well that's not what any of us have been saying, so maybe go have your imaginary argument with those people.
Smarter…
The point of education is so Jimmy doesn’t have to wash dishes at Red Lobster. I think you are assuming Jimmy loves washing dishes so much that even eduction and further skills training won’t make him change employment. A dishwasher can change jobs… the median age for the food industry is around 23. Jimmy will evolve even if the job doesn’t.