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I think we’re going to hear about a lot of regrets for these kids having cosmetic surgeries at such a young age. Well, we may not publicly hear about them but I’d expect their will be a lot. It appears the time for youthful innocence is behind us and now kids are expected or allowed to make adult decisions at increasingly young ages. I wonder if plastic surgeons are also providing breast implants for young girls that are depressed and unhappy with their breast size?
 

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Put the vehicle in drive run the ones getting out over then slam on the breaks slam her head in to the windshield.
 

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Those contribute to the problem for sure. So do things like short term rentals (Airbnb), private equity moving into housing as an investment and the super wealthy buying multiple homes that they visit maybe a couple times a year. All that is a big problem in the area I live in that has become a tourist destination.
I heard Michael Shellenberger discuss it and compared it to homeless enclaves in Eastern European cities like Amsterdam. He said the main difference is that there are zero consequences for the homeless in the US whereas in Amsterdam there’s a carrot & a stick. Now the mentally ill issue likely needs to be compartmentalized in the US so his comments weren’t necessarily directed at them IIRC but he agreed it needs it’s own gameplan. Both parties had a hand in closing down mental hospitals (LBJ in the 1960s & Reagan in the 1980s). Big mistake IMO by both administrations.

Read an interview by the current Austin, TX Mayor as well. He’s a progressive Dem but saw what was happening in his city so he tried to get in front of it. He traveled to SF, LA & (either) Seattle or Portland (I forget which one) to interview their respective mayors. He asked them what they would do different if they could go back. The common thread was that they acknowledged they should have faced it head on instead of trying to sweep it under the rug. Which probably made sense at the time as it’s a blight on their city & adversely affects the optics of their administration as well as hurting tourism.

The numbers are too large in those aforementioned cities but the Mayor of Austin seems to think they still have a chance at remedying the issue. I hope he’s right & other cities can learn from them. Asheville, NC is starting to accept more homeless as well. Very similar type city as Austin.
 

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Put the vehicle in drive run the ones getting out over then slam on the breaks slam her head in to the windshield.

There's been a lot of talk about Asian Hate and BLM in recent years, but I wonder if the hatred spewed towards white people isn't contributing to some of these incidents. It may be time to change the messaging.
 

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I heard Michael Shellenberger discuss it and compared it to homeless enclaves in Eastern European cities like Amsterdam. He said the main difference is that there are zero consequences for the homeless in the US whereas in Amsterdam there’s a carrot & a stick. Now the mentally ill issue likely needs to be compartmentalized in the US so his comments weren’t necessarily directed at them IIRC but he agreed it needs it’s own gameplan. Both parties had a hand in closing down mental hospitals (LBJ in the 1960s & Reagan in the 1980s). Big mistake IMO by both administrations.

Read an interview by the current Austin, TX Mayor as well. He’s a progressive Dem but saw what was happening in his city so he tried to get in front of it. He traveled to SF, LA & (either) Seattle or Portland (I forget which one) to interview their respective mayors. He asked them what they would do different if they could go back. The common thread was that they acknowledged they should have faced it head on instead of trying to sweep it under the rug. Which probably made sense at the time as it’s a blight on their city & adversely affects the optics of their administration as well as hurting tourism.

The numbers are too large in those aforementioned cities but the Mayor of Austin seems to think they still have a chance at remedying the issue. I hope he’s right & other cities can learn from them. Asheville, NC is starting to accept more homeless as well. Very similar type city as Austin.

LOL - what could possibly be the common thread.
 

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I heard Michael Shellenberger discuss it and compared it to homeless enclaves in Eastern European cities like Amsterdam. He said the main difference is that there are zero consequences for the homeless in the US whereas in Amsterdam there’s a carrot & a stick. Now the mentally ill issue likely needs to be compartmentalized in the US so his comments weren’t necessarily directed at them IIRC but he agreed it needs it’s own gameplan. Both parties had a hand in closing down mental hospitals (LBJ in the 1960s & Reagan in the 1980s). Big mistake IMO by both administrations.

Read an interview by the current Austin, TX Mayor as well. He’s a progressive Dem but saw what was happening in his city so he tried to get in front of it. He traveled to SF, LA & (either) Seattle or Portland (I forget which one) to interview their respective mayors. He asked them what they would do different if they could go back. The common thread was that they acknowledged they should have faced it head on instead of trying to sweep it under the rug. Which probably made sense at the time as it’s a blight on their city & adversely affects the optics of their administration as well as hurting tourism.

The numbers are too large in those aforementioned cities but the Mayor of Austin seems to think they still have a chance at remedying the issue. I hope he’s right & other cities can learn from them. Asheville, NC is starting to accept more homeless as well. Very similar type city as Austin.
Already causing problems in Asheville as business owners are starting to sound off on notable increasing crime and homeless folks creating problems in downtown.
 

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Already causing problems in Asheville as business owners are starting to sound off on notable increasing crime and homeless folks creating problems in downtown.
My brother-in-law lives in Spartanburg, SC but loves going to Asheville for the music scene. He agrees it’s getting bad. Zero Consequences & it will continue to metastasize
 

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I heard Michael Shellenberger discuss it and compared it to homeless enclaves in Eastern European cities like Amsterdam. He said the main difference is that there are zero consequences for the homeless in the US whereas in Amsterdam there’s a carrot & a stick. Now the mentally ill issue likely needs to be compartmentalized in the US so his comments weren’t necessarily directed at them IIRC but he agreed it needs it’s own gameplan. Both parties had a hand in closing down mental hospitals (LBJ in the 1960s & Reagan in the 1980s). Big mistake IMO by both administrations.

Read an interview by the current Austin, TX Mayor as well. He’s a progressive Dem but saw what was happening in his city so he tried to get in front of it. He traveled to SF, LA & (either) Seattle or Portland (I forget which one) to interview their respective mayors. He asked them what they would do different if they could go back. The common thread was that they acknowledged they should have faced it head on instead of trying to sweep it under the rug. Which probably made sense at the time as it’s a blight on their city & adversely affects the optics of their administration as well as hurting tourism.

The numbers are too large in those aforementioned cities but the Mayor of Austin seems to think they still have a chance at remedying the issue. I hope he’s right & other cities can learn from them. Asheville, NC is starting to accept more homeless as well. Very similar type city as Austin.
Are there any stats that show what percentage of homeless suffer from a serious mental illness?
 

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Are there any stats that show what percentage of homeless suffer from a serious mental illness?
Excellent question. I listened to Russell Brand‘s podcast where he brought in a homeless person to live w/ him & the dude had no interest in shelter, safety, food or sobriety had to offer so he bolted after a short stay. He’s dead now.
 

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Are there any stats that show what percentage of homeless suffer from a serious mental illness?
I would not doubt mental illness plays a part. The classic down-on-your-luck guy just gives up on life. But my wife and I did a lot with the homeless in our community. The hope was to maybe get them on our good side so they could be allies They all had the same story. They got into drugs, they started to burn every bridge, they lost their jobs because they could not function or even show up, and they ran out of people to take advantage of and steal from to get their drugs. There is a guy here that I befriended that played at New Mexico State for football, his parents owned a heating and cooling business. His parents eventually kicked him out after he went after his mom with a baseball bat because she found his drugs and disposed of them. Smart guy that could hide his homelessness well to a guy begging for money on the street corner that looks like he lives under a bridge. I talked to him about what his days look like. he told he starts out every morning laying awake just trying to remember what life was like before being homeless but then as soon as he opens his eyes his focus for the entire day is getting his next hit. He is in jail every week for shoplifting. He came to see me once at my store but I was not there. He ended up stealing $500 worth of stuff in just a few seconds.
 

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About 25 years ago, we were having a garage sale fund raiser near downtown. I had a couple of homeless guys come by as we were setting up. They asked for some money. I told them I'd give them a couple of dollars if the would grab this folding table and bring it to us. They had to carry it about 40-50 feet. It was light enough for one person to carry. Each grabbed and end and after carrying it about half way, they stopped and wanted their money. lol
 

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About 25 years ago, we were having a garage sale fund raiser near downtown. I had a couple of homeless guys come by as we were setting up. They asked for some money. I told them I'd give them a couple of dollars if the would grab this folding table and bring it to us. They had to carry it about 40-50 feet. It was light enough for one person to carry. Each grabbed and end and after carrying it about half way, they stopped and wanted their money. lol
Did you give it to them or break the table over their heads?
 

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Excellent article by George Will of The Washington Post


By George F. Will
Columnist|Follow
March 8, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EST

Sometimes in politics, which currently saturates everything, worse is better. When a political craze based on a bad idea achieves a critical mass, one wants it to be undone by ridiculous excess. Consider the movement to scrub from the English language and the rest of life everything that anyone might consider harmful or otherwise retrograde.


Worse really is better in today’s America (if you will pardon that noun; some at Stanford University will not; read on) as the fever of foolishness denoted by the word “woke” now defies satire. At Stanford, a full-service, broad-spectrum educational institution, an “Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative” several months ago listed words to avoid lest they make someone feel sad, unsafe, disrespected or something. Problematic words include “American,” which suggests that America (this column enjoys being transgressive) is the most important country in North and South America. The list was quickly drenched by an acid rain of derision, and Stanford distanced itself from itself: The university’s chief information officer said the list was not a mandate. The list warns against using the “culturally appropriative” word “chief” about any “non-indigenous person.”
The University of Southern California’s school of social work banned the word “field” because it connotes slavery. So, Joe DiMaggio did not roam Yankee Stadium’s center field. Heaven forfend. Perhaps centerpasture. DiMaggio was a centerpasturer? An awkward locution, but it appeases the sensitivity police. The Chicago Cubs should henceforth play in Wrigley Meadow.

Such is the New York Times’s astonishment, last week the newspaper treated as front-page news the fact that few people like the term “Latinx.” The Times describes this as “an inclusive, gender-neutral term to describe people of Latino descent.” With “Latinx,” advanced thinkers, probably including hyper-progressive non-Latino readers of the Times, have exhausted the public’s tolerance of linguistic progressivism. Progressives’ bewildering new pronoun protocols ignited the laughter that “Latinx” intensified.
Matt Bai: The Sierra Club doesn’t want to offend. It won’t persuade you, either.

Back at Stanford, more than 75 professors are opposing the university’s snitching apparatus. The “Protected Identity Harm” system enables — actually, by its existence, it encourages — students to anonymously report allegations against other students, from whom they have experienced what the system calls “harm because of who they are and how they show up in the world.”

The PIH website breathlessly greets visitors: “If you are on this website, we recognize that you might have experienced something traumatic. Take a sip of water. Take a deep breath.” PIH recently made national news when someone reported the trauma of seeing a student reading Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”

The professors urge Stanford to avoid “a formal process that students could construe as some sort of investigation into protected speech, or that effectively requires them to admit their protected expression was problematic. Instead, Stanford can support students who are sensitive to speech without involving the speaker.” Perhaps by gently shipping those who are “sensitive to speech” to a Trappist monastery.
Early in the Cold War, some colleges and universities were pressured to require faculty to sign loyalty oaths pledging they were not members of the Communist Party. Liberals honorably led the fight against such government-enforced orthodoxy. Today, liberals are orthodoxy enforcers at the many schools that require applicants for faculty positions to write their own oaths of loyalty to today’s DEI obsession.
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They must express enthusiasm for whatever policies are deemed necessary to promote “diversity, equity and inclusion.” Fortunately, the Board of Governors of the University of North Carolina recently joined a growing movement to ban requiring DEI statements in hiring and promotion processes, a recoil against aggressive wokeness.

Being dead, Roald Dahl is spared watching woke editors inflict on his children’s books what Meghan Cox Gurdon, writing in the Wall Street Journal, calls “social-justice blandification.” To make them “inclusive,” Dahl’s edited characters are no longer “fat” or “ugly” or anything else that might harm readers. The derisive laughter you hear is from parents who know how unwoke their children are in their enjoyment of vividly, sometimes insultingly, presented fictional characters.
A story is told of a revolutionary socialist who was strolling with a friend when they encountered a beggar. The friend began to hand a few coins to the mendicant, but the revolutionary stopped him, exclaiming: “Don’t delay the revolution!” The socialist thought worse would be better. More social misery would mean more social upheaval. “Arise ye prisoners of starvation” and all that.
In America (take that, Stanford), the worse wokeness becomes, the better. Wokeness is being shrunk by the solvent of the laughter it provokes.
 

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Did you give it to them or break the table over their heads?
I told them to finish carrying it to the agreed spot and I would pay them. They finished the job and got paid. Why would I want to break the table over their heads?
 

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About 25 years ago, we were having a garage sale fund raiser near downtown. I had a couple of homeless guys come by as we were setting up. They asked for some money. I told them I'd give them a couple of dollars if the would grab this folding table and bring it to us. They had to carry it about 40-50 feet. It was light enough for one person to carry. Each grabbed and end and after carrying it about half way, they stopped and wanted their money. lol
I am all for giving to the poor, giving to those people in need. But there is a fine line between giving and enabling. Making homelessness more comfortable should not be an option. In my town they are setting up little homes and communities for the homeless, they are setting up locations that are safe to do their drugs, and part of that is having rooms available to watch movies and have refreshments while they do their drugs. They have admitted their vision for these rooms is to create a community of people where they can sit and watch movies while doing their drugs. They reinforce there will be no police presence around or inside these safe places. I talked about our addiction to comfortableness and got chastised for it by one of our local Irish Envy feminine males, and this is a small example of comfortableness.

I’ll admit I am very well off financially at a very young age of 38 and could probably get away with not working another day in my life, but I live my life and structure my life to stay hungry and motivated and not be comfortable in my situation. I know many homeless people in my community, they have little reason to be productive or hungry to advance their life. They wake up and their only goal is that next fix. They take advantage of every opportunity afforded to them by the community designed to "help" the homeless. They are continually in and out of jail doing illegal things to support their drug habit (but out the next day). I find it very demeaning that most of these homeless people are either begging for money or stealing to get money to support their drug habit and now we provide them a safe space to hang out to do their drugs. It’s baffling.
 

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I am all for giving to the poor, giving to those people in need. But there is a fine line between giving and enabling. Making homelessness more comfortable should not be an option. In my town they are setting up little homes and communities for the homeless, they are setting up locations that are safe to do their drugs, and part of that is having rooms available to watch movies and have refreshments while they do their drugs. They have admitted their vision for these rooms is to create a community of people where they can sit and watch movies while doing their drugs. They reinforce there will be no police presence around or inside these safe places. I talked about our addiction to comfortableness and got chastised for it by one of our local Irish Envy feminine males, and this is a small example of comfortableness.

I’ll admit I am very well off financially at a very young age of 38 and could probably get away with not working another day in my life, but I live my life and structure my life to stay hungry and motivated and not be comfortable in my situation. I know many homeless people in my community, they have little reason to be productive or hungry to advance their life. They wake up and their only goal is that next fix. They take advantage of every opportunity afforded to them by the community designed to "help" the homeless. They are continually in and out of jail doing illegal things to support their drug habit (but out the next day). I find it very demeaning that most of these homeless people are either begging for money or stealing to get money to support their drug habit and now we provide them a safe space to hang out to do their drugs. It’s baffling.
You should give them drugs laced with fentanyl. That’ll solve the problem.
 

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Don't have a link, but I heard today on the radio that DeSantis pushed back on the media's narrative about the books they've been banning. Supposedly nothing about black history or slavery has been pulled, but DeSantis did start reciting material from the sexual titles that had been pulled. Apparently they were dirty enough that the local media had to cut the live feed of the press conference, which is pretty hilarious and proves the point that the books shouldn't have been available in school libraries.
 

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Excellent article by George Will of The Washington Post


By George F. Will
Columnist|Follow
March 8, 2023 at 7:00 a.m. EST

Sometimes in politics, which currently saturates everything, worse is better. When a political craze based on a bad idea achieves a critical mass, one wants it to be undone by ridiculous excess. Consider the movement to scrub from the English language and the rest of life everything that anyone might consider harmful or otherwise retrograde.


Worse really is better in today’s America (if you will pardon that noun; some at Stanford University will not; read on) as the fever of foolishness denoted by the word “woke” now defies satire. At Stanford, a full-service, broad-spectrum educational institution, an “Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative” several months ago listed words to avoid lest they make someone feel sad, unsafe, disrespected or something. Problematic words include “American,” which suggests that America (this column enjoys being transgressive) is the most important country in North and South America. The list was quickly drenched by an acid rain of derision, and Stanford distanced itself from itself: The university’s chief information officer said the list was not a mandate. The list warns against using the “culturally appropriative” word “chief” about any “non-indigenous person.”
The University of Southern California’s school of social work banned the word “field” because it connotes slavery. So, Joe DiMaggio did not roam Yankee Stadium’s center field. Heaven forfend. Perhaps centerpasture. DiMaggio was a centerpasturer? An awkward locution, but it appeases the sensitivity police. The Chicago Cubs should henceforth play in Wrigley Meadow.

Such is the New York Times’s astonishment, last week the newspaper treated as front-page news the fact that few people like the term “Latinx.” The Times describes this as “an inclusive, gender-neutral term to describe people of Latino descent.” With “Latinx,” advanced thinkers, probably including hyper-progressive non-Latino readers of the Times, have exhausted the public’s tolerance of linguistic progressivism. Progressives’ bewildering new pronoun protocols ignited the laughter that “Latinx” intensified.
Matt Bai: The Sierra Club doesn’t want to offend. It won’t persuade you, either.

Back at Stanford, more than 75 professors are opposing the university’s snitching apparatus. The “Protected Identity Harm” system enables — actually, by its existence, it encourages — students to anonymously report allegations against other students, from whom they have experienced what the system calls “harm because of who they are and how they show up in the world.”

The PIH website breathlessly greets visitors: “If you are on this website, we recognize that you might have experienced something traumatic. Take a sip of water. Take a deep breath.” PIH recently made national news when someone reported the trauma of seeing a student reading Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”

The professors urge Stanford to avoid “a formal process that students could construe as some sort of investigation into protected speech, or that effectively requires them to admit their protected expression was problematic. Instead, Stanford can support students who are sensitive to speech without involving the speaker.” Perhaps by gently shipping those who are “sensitive to speech” to a Trappist monastery.
Early in the Cold War, some colleges and universities were pressured to require faculty to sign loyalty oaths pledging they were not members of the Communist Party. Liberals honorably led the fight against such government-enforced orthodoxy. Today, liberals are orthodoxy enforcers at the many schools that require applicants for faculty positions to write their own oaths of loyalty to today’s DEI obsession.
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They must express enthusiasm for whatever policies are deemed necessary to promote “diversity, equity and inclusion.” Fortunately, the Board of Governors of the University of North Carolina recently joined a growing movement to ban requiring DEI statements in hiring and promotion processes, a recoil against aggressive wokeness.

Being dead, Roald Dahl is spared watching woke editors inflict on his children’s books what Meghan Cox Gurdon, writing in the Wall Street Journal, calls “social-justice blandification.” To make them “inclusive,” Dahl’s edited characters are no longer “fat” or “ugly” or anything else that might harm readers. The derisive laughter you hear is from parents who know how unwoke their children are in their enjoyment of vividly, sometimes insultingly, presented fictional characters.
A story is told of a revolutionary socialist who was strolling with a friend when they encountered a beggar. The friend began to hand a few coins to the mendicant, but the revolutionary stopped him, exclaiming: “Don’t delay the revolution!” The socialist thought worse would be better. More social misery would mean more social upheaval. “Arise ye prisoners of starvation” and all that.
In America (take that, Stanford), the worse wokeness becomes, the better. Wokeness is being shrunk by the solvent of the laughter it provokes.
This reminds me of how words can be bastardized to suit one’s preference. ”Woke” is the new “Liberal”. The term “Liberal” was bastardized (successfully) in the 1988 POTUS election (at least in my mind). I was a senior in HS and recall the debates & campaign ads between Bush & Dukakis. Bush & his team were able to take the word “liberal” and make it a pejorative term…”Liberal”. In its true form, I consider myself a “liberal” as I suspect most, regardless of politics; on this board do. Bush’s term made a caricature that was seemingly the opposite of what “liberal” meant and is nothing like what a “Liberal” would want or agree with. Years later, I realized this.

Now you have the same w/ ”Woke”. I think we all agree on being “woke” to simple decency that had been ignored by our forefathers. We’ve evolved to a much better place socially but with heightened awareness of the bad actors via 24-hour social media & MSM, it gives perception that a larger portion of people are this way & pushes folks into their echo chambers. So the beginnings of the term “woke” were probably well intended and meant something rational. Now you have it taken to extremes by both sides whether it’s examples cited in Will’s article or someone labeling every thing they disagree w/ a “woke crap”.
 

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This reminds me of how words can be bastardized to suit one’s preference. ”Woke” is the new “Liberal”. The term “Liberal” was bastardized (successfully) in the 1988 POTUS election (at least in my mind). I was a senior in HS and recall the debates & campaign ads between Bush & Dukakis. Bush & his team were able to take the word “liberal” and make it a pejorative term…”Liberal”. In its true form, I consider myself a “liberal” as I suspect most, regardless of politics; on this board do. Bush’s term made a caricature that was seemingly the opposite of what “liberal” meant and is nothing like what a “Liberal” would want or agree with. Years later, I realized this.

Now you have the same w/ ”Woke”. I think we all agree on being “woke” to simple decency that had been ignored by our forefathers. We’ve evolved to a much better place socially but with heightened awareness of the bad actors via 24-hour social media & MSM, it gives perception that a larger portion of people are this way & pushes folks into their echo chambers. So the beginnings of the term “woke” were probably well intended and meant something rational. Now you have it taken to extremes by both sides whether it’s examples cited in Will’s article or someone labeling every thing they disagree w/ a “woke crap”.
You could argue the “bastardization” of words has been common since words existed. Words 200, 100, 50, 40, 30…. even a year ago could mean something completely different than it’s original meaning. Webster changes definitions all the time to fit the times and some even think to fit political or social agendas. The word “woke” evolved just like the word “gay” has evolved.
 

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This reminds me of how words can be bastardized to suit one’s preference. ”Woke” is the new “Liberal”. The term “Liberal” was bastardized (successfully) in the 1988 POTUS election (at least in my mind). I was a senior in HS and recall the debates & campaign ads between Bush & Dukakis. Bush & his team were able to take the word “liberal” and make it a pejorative term…”Liberal”. In its true form, I consider myself a “liberal” as I suspect most, regardless of politics; on this board do. Bush’s term made a caricature that was seemingly the opposite of what “liberal” meant and is nothing like what a “Liberal” would want or agree with. Years later, I realized this.

Now you have the same w/ ”Woke”. I think we all agree on being “woke” to simple decency that had been ignored by our forefathers. We’ve evolved to a much better place socially but with heightened awareness of the bad actors via 24-hour social media & MSM, it gives perception that a larger portion of people are this way & pushes folks into their echo chambers. So the beginnings of the term “woke” were probably well intended and meant something rational. Now you have it taken to extremes by both sides whether it’s examples cited in Will’s article or someone labeling every thing they disagree w/ a “woke crap”.
Good points. The issue a lot of people have is with the "wokes" that want to classify everyone who doesn't agree with them as a racist or bigot. That in turn makes "wokes" look bad and creates resentment.
 
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