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Were you in a punk band?!?!?!?


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I was in a bunch of punk and garage rock bands (19 or something like that) in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Some of the bands I was in played shows with some fairly popular acts. One of the better stories I have is some guy approached one band I was in that was getting pretty popular and asked if we wanted a manager. We laughed and said “nobody’s ever going to make a living playing this shit”. Lol. If you’re familiar with Maximum Rock n Roll I did record reviews and interviews for that magazine for about eight years as well.
 
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Eugene is the dumpiest dump ever. It's in my bottom 10 cities. Stopped through there on a PNW road trip because we were crashing with someone who was at Oregon for grad school and we got the fuck out of there as fast as possible the next day.

Portland was our next stop and a ton of fun but we just did touristy stuff... Voodoo Donuts, that giant ass bookstore, Deschutes, etc. We went by some video game bar called Ground Control that was surprisingly fun. A lot of culture... not sure I could ever live there long term though.

I’ve been lucky in my travels to the Pacific Northwest. It seems like every time it has been “the best weather ever”. The constant rain and gloom would be a major sticking point for me.
 
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Censorship is disgusting. New jersey is the armpit of America. Might be worse than Mississippi and Michigan.

Did you actually read the article? It was in North Carolina. He was forced to remove his JERSEY, not in New Jersey.
 

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Did you actually read the article? It was in North Carolina. He was forced to remove his JERSEY, not in New Jersey.

Still bad. If it were an Obama jersey, it would have likely been fine. You can't be fine with one, and not the other.
 

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Still bad. If it were an Obama jersey, it would have likely been fine. You can't be fine with one, and not the other.

He commented on the state of NEW JERSEY, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the article.

I'm not fine with anybody making somebody remove a shirt with the president's name on it.

I'm also not fine with people making comments regarding articles they didn't even read.

Our country needs less of both of those things.
 

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He commented on the state of NEW JERSEY, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the article.

I'm not fine with anybody making somebody remove a shirt with the president's name on it.

I'm also not fine with people making comments regarding articles they didn't even read.

Our country needs less of both of those things.

The world definitely needs less sports jerseys. Unless you’re in a New York hardcore band or an actuall athlete or it’s a Jamarcus Russel Raiders jersey I think it should be against the law to wear them.
 

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He commented on the state of NEW JERSEY, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the article.

I'm not fine with anybody making somebody remove a shirt with the president's name on it.

I'm also not fine with people making comments regarding articles they didn't even read.

Our country needs less of both of those things.

agree. but misreading or even not reading, is not as bad as banning shit because they simply don't like the politics of it. like someone said on IE, if you like it ban it... opposite here.

NJ is the armpit of the USA.. at min, it's top 3
 

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agree. but misreading or even not reading, is not as bad as banning shit because they simply don't like the politics of it. like someone said on IE, if you like it ban it... opposite here.

NJ is the armpit of the USA.. at min, it's top 3

Why are you even commenting? Why are you equivocating between this kid wearing a jersey...and not reading an article, but commenting anyway?

Both can be bad and have nothing to do with one another. You sound like a democrat, trying to win the victim olympics.
 

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Why are you even commenting? Why are you equivocating between this kid wearing a jersey...and not reading an article, but commenting anyway?

Both can be bad and have nothing to do with one another. You sound like a democrat, trying to win the victim olympics.

First rule of Trumpism is never admit fault. Even when you get caught talking out of your ass, never admit any wrongdoing. That’s weakness.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And here is video of an elderly man who didn’t heed their street orders — so they chased him down. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Portland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Portland</a> <a href="https://t.co/AeXvhUKijO">pic.twitter.com/AeXvhUKijO</a></p>— Andy C. Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1049311168953630720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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On social media, the country seems to divide into two neat camps: Call them the woke and the resentful. Team Resentment is manned—pun very much intended—by people who are predominantly old and almost exclusively white. Team Woke is young, likely to be female, and predominantly black, brown, or Asian (though white “allies” do their dutiful part). These teams are roughly equal in number, and they disagree most vehemently, as well as most routinely, about the catchall known as political correctness.

Reality is nothing like this. As scholars Stephen Hawkins, Daniel Yudkin, Miriam Juan-Torres, and Tim Dixon argue in a report published Wednesday, “Hidden Tribes: A Study of America’s Polarized Landscape,” most Americans don’t fit into either of these camps. They also share more common ground than the daily fights on social media might suggest—including a general aversion to PC culture.

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If you look at what Americans have to say on issues such as immigration, the extent of white privilege, and the prevalence of sexual harassment, the authors argue, seven distinct clusters emerge: progressive activists, traditional liberals, passive liberals, the politically disengaged, moderates, traditional conservatives, and devoted conservatives.

According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”

Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.

Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness. As one 40-year-old American Indian in Oklahoma said in his focus group, according to the report:

It seems like everyday you wake up something has changed … Do you say Jew? Or Jewish? Is it a black guy? African-American? … You are on your toes because you never know what to say. So political correctness in that sense is scary.

The one part of the standard narrative that the data partially affirm is that African Americans are most likely to support political correctness. But the difference between them and other groups is much smaller than generally supposed: Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites, and only five percentage points less likely than the average, to believe that political correctness is a problem.

If age and race do not predict support for political correctness, what does? Income and education.

While 83 percent of respondents who make less than $50,000 dislike political correctness, just 70 percent of those who make more than $100,000 are skeptical about it. And while 87 percent who have never attended college think that political correctness has grown to be a problem, only 66 percent of those with a postgraduate degree share that sentiment.

Political tribe—as defined by the authors—is an even better predictor of views on political correctness. Among devoted conservatives, 97 percent believe that political correctness is a problem. Among traditional liberals, 61 percent do. Progressive activists are the only group that strongly backs political correctness: Only 30 percent see it as a problem.

So what does this group look like? Compared with the rest of the (nationally representative) polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated—and white. They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year. They are nearly three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. And while 12 percent of the overall sample in the study is African American, only 3 percent of progressive activists are. With the exception of the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...orities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/

Tl;dr: Only rich, highly educated white limousine progressives care about being politically correct.
 

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Did anybody bother to read the actual report being cited in the article? It presents a much more nuacnced and complex view on a number of topics and address much more than “political correctness”.

Here’s a quote from Chapter 1

“For instance, 82 percent of Americans agree that hate speech is a problem in America today, but 80 percent also view political correctness as an issue.”
 

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Did anybody bother to read the actual report being cited in the article? It presents a much more nuacnced and complex view on a number of topics and address much more than “political correctness”.

Here’s a quote from Chapter 1

“For instance, 82 percent of Americans agree that hate speech is a problem in America today, but 80 percent also view political correctness as an issue.”

Much of what a small but loud minority claim is hate speech, is viewed by a large majority as just expressing a reasonable but differing opinion or view. There's an element that labels ANY criticism, no matter how valid, and ANY opinion or view they disagree with as hate speech. Most of us recognize genuine hate speech when we hear it and agree that it's unacceptable and doesn't help. A lot of the rest is just the perpetually aggrieved PC crowd trying to suppress free speech from anyone they disagree with and make it impossible for anyone else to talk about anything.
 

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Much of what a small but loud minority claim is hate speech, is viewed by a large majority as just expressing a reasonable but differing opinion or view. There's an element that labels ANY criticism, no matter how valid, and ANY opinion or view they disagree with as hate speech. Most of us recognize genuine hate speech when we hear it and agree that it's unacceptable and doesn't help. A lot of the rest is just the perpetually aggrieved PC crowd trying to suppress free speech from anyone they disagree with and make it impossible for anyone else to talk about anything.

Sure, but how does one draw a line that clearly defines “hate speech” without going down that path? I’m not sure we all agree on what constitutes “hate speech” let alone what an acceptable response is.

Anyhow, what is interesting is that the origins of the “PC” movement lie squarely on the right of the political spectrum and the initial reaction to “PC” culture was from “radical leftists”. Case in point being the Dead Kennedy’s Frakenchrist trial.

Still going to circle back to Prop 13 in the other thread. Just been kind of busy. Cheers.
 
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Sure, but how does one draw a line that clearly defines “hate speech” without going down that path? I’m not sure we all agree on what constitutes “hate speech” let alone what an acceptable response is.

Anyhow, what is interesting is that the origins of the “PC” movement lie squarely on the right of the political spectrum and the initial reaction to “PC” culture was from “radical leftists”. Case in point being the Dead Kennedy’s Frakenchrist trial.

Still going to circle back to Prop 13 in the other thread. Just been kind of busy. Cheers.

Another case in point: Tipper Gore the leader of the PMRC who led the attempt to silence all music that wasn’t PC but settled for the “Parental Advisory” sticker which likely led to more album sales. Oh and her husband invented the internet.
 

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Another case in point: Tipper Gore the leader of the PMRC who led the attempt to silence all music that wasn’t PC but settled for the “Parental Advisory” sticker which likely led to more album sales. Oh and her husband invented the internet.

invented the internet and the sticker. wow, what a power couple. should have shared the Nobel
 

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Cali at some point will go too far, and start losing big businesses. it's already happening to less progressive companies. at some point, the lib loving companies will either get fed up, or the boards will get tired of their CEO's lib loving ways.

Millionaires are already getting the hell out.

But hey, keep welcoming illegals and raising taxes.
 

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Cali at some point will go too far, and start losing big businesses. it's already happening to less progressive companies. at some point, the lib loving companies will either get fed up, or the boards will get tired of their CEO's lib loving ways.

Millionaires are already getting the hell out.

But hey, keep welcoming illegals and raising taxes.

I read a great article about what some tech companies are doing a few months back. The overall premise was they were keeping their headquarters out in the Bay Area, but they were moving a lot of jobs to Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to take advantage of reasonable land value in "smaller" cities. They were saving something like 100-150K per employee in salary alone for entry level engineers who were finding quality housing for thousands less per month.
 

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I read a great article about what some tech companies are doing a few months back. The overall premise was they were keeping their headquarters out in the Bay Area, but they were moving a lot of jobs to Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania to take advantage of reasonable land value in "smaller" cities. They were saving something like 100-150K per employee in salary alone for entry level engineers who were finding quality housing for thousands less per month.

there's a ton of stuff like that out there. HQs like Nestle I believe already moved, and more are thinking about it. Just doesn't pay to stay. FB and Google will hopefully be the last as the vine dies. Housing sucks, transportation sucks, income and other taxes suck, homelessness sucks, etc. etc. etc.... and Cali state politicians are full time (unlike similar size states like TX). It's a mess that will keep getting messier. Money is moving out, while no money is moving in.
 

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there's a ton of stuff like that out there. HQs like Nestle I believe already moved, and more are thinking about it. Just doesn't pay to stay. FB and Google will hopefully be the last as the vine dies. Housing sucks, transportation sucks, income and other taxes suck, homelessness sucks, etc. etc. etc.... and Cali state politicians are full time (unlike similar size states like TX). It's a mess that will keep getting messier. Money is moving out, while no money is moving in.

I'm honestly surprised they can look at the problems that exist out there and take the approach they have taken.
 

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They want more illegal immigrants & the homeless taken care of....as long as it doesn’t cost them money or force them to live amongst the illegals & homeless. Marie Antoinette would be proud.
 
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