Crist vs Rees

[sharksamardzija8345]

I understand the concern, but no one has more at stake in this issue than Kelly. If that's truly the problem here-- that Kelly is unreasonably determined to keep playing Rees when Dayne is truly a better option-- then our program is destined for failure under this coach.

that is not an unreasonable explanation to explore.. I love Kelly, but ALL D-1 coaches have INCREDIBLE egos.. they have to in order to be successful, however, the huge egos cause them to be unsuccessful, as well because they won't admit their misjudgments

 

[Whiskeyjack]

that is not an unreasonable explanation to explore.. I love Kelly, but ALL D-1 coaches have INCREDIBLE egos.. they have to in order to be successful, however, the huge egos cause them to be unsuccessful, as well because they won't admit their misjudgments

Kelly has repeatedly owned up to misjudgments-- the Michigan game, the Navy game, the last play call against Tulsa (belatedly), etc. And why would Kelly be more attached to Rees than Crist? They're both Weis recruits, and neither one can run his offense well.

I'll reiterate a point I made earlier. Kelly has stated that there's a big gap between Hendrix/ Golson and Crist/ Rees, which makes perfect sense. Thus, unless Kelly feels like the season is lost and he needs to start rebuilding for the future, we're stuck with Crist/ Rees because they give us the best chance to win now.

Crist has a history of folding under pressure (4th quarter against MSU, Stanford, Navy, 1st half against USF), while Rees repeatedly comes back from his mistakes to lead game winning/ icing drives (USC, Michigan, State, & Pitt). That disparity in mental toughness is the only logical explanation for why Rees is starting over Crist right now, and it makes sense. Both QBs are going to turn the ball over, so you have to play the guy who can bounce back afterward. It's Rees by process of elimination.

 

[BobD]

Lets raise $3,000,000.00 a year and hire someone to teach at least one of our four talented young men the basic fundamentals of how to avoid TO's and throwing so many INT's, then make gameplans to capitalize on their strengths while avoiding plays that highlight their weaknesses......oh wait.

I'm being sarcastic. I like BK a lot, and I'm confident he'll take us to a National Championship game soon. I also think he needs to take more of the heat for whats happened, a lot more than Tommy or Dayne.

Yes, they haven't performed well, but he's the one being paid very well to coach them. It's in his job description to fix this TO issue and he needs to do it NOW. I know it takes time to create an All-Star QB, but we should be able to rely on him to be able to coach at least one of these fine young men to execute the basic fundamentals of football.

GO IRISH!!

 

[IrishBoy]

What the hell has Crist ever done to make you think he is better then Rees? And no, high school rankings from 2008 don't count.

Tommy has been terrible? lol you're reaching or clueless

Tommy threw many interceptions and several fumbles in this season. Several big end zones interception that Notre Dame could have scored. Crist can throw downfield. I saw it last year. Tommy couldn't throw downfield. We need make big plays. I want to see Tommy doing better every game, but we barely beat Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh pass defense is almost ranked last. I am not impressed with it but I am happy with a W.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Kelly has repeatedly owned up to misjudgments-- the Michigan game, the Navy game, the last play call against Tulsa (belatedly), etc. And why would Kelly be more attached to Rees than Crist? They're both Weis recruits, and neither one can run his offense well.

I'll reiterate a point I made earlier. Kelly has stated that there's a big gap between Hendrix/ Golson and Crist/ Rees, which makes perfect sense. Thus, unless Kelly feels like the season is lost and he needs to start rebuilding for the future, we're stuck with Crist/ Rees because they give us the best chance to win now.

Crist has a history of folding under pressure (4th quarter against MSU, Stanford, Navy, 1st half against USF), while Rees repeatedly comes back from his mistakes to lead game winning/ icing drives (USC, Michigan, State, & Pitt). That disparity in mental toughness is the only logical explanation for why Rees is starting over Crist right now, and it makes sense. Both QBs are going to turn the ball over, so you have to play the guy who can bounce back afterward. It's Rees by process of elimination.

I can't explain why, but it sure does seem like some favoritism exists.. I guess the mental toughness has something to do with it, but isn't Kelly somewhat to blame for Dayne's lack of mental toughness for keeping such a short leash on him? Idk, I'm torn between the issue.. I love ND Football, just about more than anything, but I have to admit I get depressed when I see Rees come out for the first drive of the game.. I guess my own personal bias clouds my opinion, but I just can't stand Rees as the QB of "my" team (I know it's not my team, but you know what I mean).. I guess this is how Broncos fans feel when they see Orton trot out there

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yes, they haven't performed well, but he's the one being paid very well to coach them. It's in his job description to fix this TO issue and he needs to do it NOW. I know it takes time to create an All-Star QB, but we should be able to rely on him to be able to coach at least one of these fine young men to execute the basic fundamentals of football.

Is it Kelly's fault he's stuck with a 5 pro-style senior who consistently folds under pressure and a remarkably unathletic 3 sophomore?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I can't explain why, but it sure does seem like some favoritism exists.. I guess the mental toughness has something to do with it, but isn't Kelly somewhat to blame for Dayne's lack of mental toughness for keeping such a short leash on him? Idk, I'm torn between the issue.. I love ND Football, just about more than anything, but I have to admit I get depressed when I see Rees come out for the first drive of the game.. I guess my own personal bias clouds my opinion, but I just can't stand Rees as the QB of "my" team (I know it's not my team, but you know what I mean).. I guess this is how Broncos fans feel when they see Orton trot out there

There was no leash throughout all of 2010, and yet he still folded in the 4th quarter against MSU, Stanford, and Navy. I don't think you can teach mental toughness to a QB. You can certainly undermine one's confidence by threatening to pull him at the first stumble, but that's not what happened in the USF game. Dayne folded after his pick just like he had several times in 2010. It had more to do with his lack of leadership than his production.

 

[jonesman]

Whiskey,
I want to know if you really believe that Rees is going to take us to a BCS. I say NO FLIPPING WAY!!!! He severely limits our offense.

 

[jonesman]

I recommend you all go read this article. I know Bleacher Report stuff can be slanted and sometimes not accurate, but this article really stands out.
Notre Dame Football: Tommy Rees Is Not the Answer at QB | Bleacher Report

 

[BobD]

Is it Kelly's fault he's stuck with a 5 pro-style senior who consistently folds under pressure and a remarkably unathletic 3 sophomore?

Also from my post: "I know it takes time to create an All-Star QB, but we should be able to rely on him to be able to coach at least one of these fine young men to execute the basic fundamentals of football".

He might not be able to turn either one of these two young men into a super star, but with his resume, he should be able COACH one of them to execute fundamentals.

 

[Ludzil#1]

I think it's time for Danye Crist to see some playing time. Tommy simply has too many turnovers.

 

[AKRowdy]

If Crist comes back into start a game what does that do to an offense? If Kelly keeps pulling a QB after bad plays that disrupts the whole offense and it would probably create a problem in the locker room, players picking sides, offense loosing timing that is needed in practice because there would be a continuous revolving door of new starting QBs. It just is not good for a program trying to progress and get better. The reason why he stayed with Rees from what I could see is that Rees gives us the best chance to win, by the way that he doesn't get down on himself after one of his mistakes. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is that the W in the score book and until we lose multiple bad games in a row Rees is going to be the starting QB for the rest of the year and we better get used to it cause there is nothing we can do to change it.
Go Irish!!

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

There was no leash throughout all of 2010, and yet he still folded in the 4th quarter against MSU, Stanford, and Navy. I don't think you can teach mental toughness to a QB. You can certainly undermine one's confidence by threatening to pull him at the first stumble, but that's not what happened in the USF game. Dayne folded after his pick just like he had several times in 2010. It had more to do with his lack of leadership than his production.

fair enough.. guess my voice is just that of a disappointed and depressed fan who wants to see/expects more from his QB in a Kelly system with so much talent on the offensive side of the ball.. I've accepted the fact that I'll have to sit through Rees as the starter until we lose some more games (if we lose some more games)

I want to see 1 of 2 things happen this season:
1. We win out with Rees as our starting QB and make a BCS game. This I want to see 1,000 times more than option 2. I love ND football, no matter who the QB, as long as we're winning.
2. If we lose some games, I will be EXTREMELY PO'ed if Rees remains the starter and we don't see some Hendrix. I want to win out so much, but if we lose, if we don't see some Hendrix I will go absolutely nutty.

 

[BobD]

How the hell do you guys type so damn fast?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I recommend you all go read this article. I know Bleacher Report stuff can be slanted and sometimes not accurate, but this article really stands out.
Notre Dame Football: Tommy Rees Is Not the Answer at QB | Bleacher Report

We freaking know that. It's been discussed over and over and freaking over. Quite frankly, who knows if your future is even on the damn roster???? The Bleacher Report is where the dregs and dopes hang out so I'd take their opinion with a grain of salt. Whatever it takes to get internet hits I guess.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I think it's time for Danye Crist to see some playing time. Tommy simply has too many turnovers.

Wrong...

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Wrong...

lol you can't say wrong.. it's the dude's opinion.. you can disagree, but he's not "wrong"

 

[jonesman]

Predictions with REES as starter!

Predictions with REES as starter!

If Tommy remains at starter, here are some predictions I have for this season. I will check back on this in a few weeks.

First is a short term prediction: Tommy causes ND to lose one of our next big three, Air Force, USC or Navy. These games can ill afford TO's and Tommy will give up the ball unforced. Kelly will give some bail out answer for Tommy, but it will be obvious to us fans.

Second, you will see ND's offensive performances continue to slide, not improve. This week could be an exception only because Purdue is sooo bad. We will see.

Third, ND will lose two QB's at the end of the year. Crist will transfer for a final year to play somewhere. Hendrix will say enough and take his dual threat talents to another school. ND will be back to two scholarship QB's. Pray we don't lose three at Golson realizes he could be sitting two more years.

 

[jonesman]

Hey Herecomes,
You can say the dregs hang out at Bleacher, but it is really hard arguing the facts in the article. The only fact you want to give is 6-1. If you want to give him credit for all those, you are smoking something funny. The dude is turning the ball over like most people change boxers.

 

[KPENN]

WTF??? Seriously. Can't you post this rant in one of the other QB threads?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

lol you can't say wrong.. it's the dude's opinion.. you can disagree, but he's not "wrong"

I've seen people claiming that one or the other were wrong for the past two days.... Really????

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Hey Herecomes,
You can say the dregs hang out at Bleacher, but it is really hard arguing the facts in the article. The only fact you want to give is 6-1. If you want to give him credit for all those, you are smoking something funny. The dude is turning the ball over like most people change boxers.

I've got facts...... 6-1

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I've seen people claiming that one or the other were wrong for the past two days.... Really????

I haven't said anyone was wrong, and I guess I haven't seen it or else I would have said something to them, as well.. didn't mean to single you out, it just bothers me when people say other's opinions are wrong.. agree or disagree yes, but opinions are just that, opinions.. they're not right or wrong

 

[WaveDomer]

These games can ill afford TO's and Tommy will give up the ball unforced. Kelly will give some bail out answer for Tommy, but it will be obvious to us fans.

I don't understand this complaint that seems to crop up quite a bit. What? Does Rees have some damning video of Kelly or something? What top level coach would just refuse to play the best QB he has for some weird ego reason? This is bizarre to me. If you truly believe this, you should have no trust in Kelly whatsoever.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I've got facts...... 6-1

I have noticed though that this "6-1" nonsense is about all the evidence/support you have for Tommy.. sure the team is 6-1 when he is QB, but make no mistake, he's not 6-1.. ND wins in spite of Rees just as many times as because of him

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I haven't said anyone was wrong, and I guess I haven't seen it or else I would have said something to them, as well.. didn't mean to single you out, it just bothers me when people say other's opinions are wrong.. agree or disagree yes, but opinions are just that, opinions.. they're not right or wrong

You've been missing out then... Hit up the game day thread amongst others....

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

If Tommy remains at starter, here are some predictions I have for this season. I will check back on this in a few weeks.

First is a short term prediction: Tommy causes ND to lose one of our next big three, Air Force, USC or Navy. These games can ill afford TO's and Tommy will give up the ball unforced. Kelly will give some bail out answer for Tommy, but it will be obvious to us fans.

Second, you will see ND's offensive performances continue to slide, not improve. This week could be an exception only because Purdue is sooo bad. We will see.

Third, ND will lose two QB's at the end of the year. Crist will transfer for a final year to play somewhere. Hendrix will say enough and take his dual threat talents to another school. ND will be back to two scholarship QB's. Pray we don't lose three at Golson realizes he could be sitting two more years.

Dude...Jump.

 

[rikkitikki08]

^^ Amen, " i wish you would step back from that ledge my friend"

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'm so bored with this.

 

[BabyIrish]

Why do you act like, us the fans, know better then Kelly. Really?! It's good to have debate but too insuate that we the fans know better then Kelly is a bit ridicuolous. I too have been frustrated with Rees play at times, but at other times I have been happy to have him as a starter. He has some weaknesses, but he has strengths as well. Watch the Inside Notre Dame Football on UND.com and listen to BK speak his belief about Tommy and this team. He makes me want to play for him, just think of the influence and development he is having on this team everyday. They are building confidence (thanks HCTI for showing me the light on Saturday night).