Crist vs Rees

[CanadianIrish]

Kelly needs his head checked if he sticks with Rees at this point. I don't care if he thinks Dayne is worse - then give Hendrix or Golson a shot. Do not just stick with Rees who is averaging more than two turnovers a game. It's idiotic.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I just want to say, great drive by Tommy to go ahead. He cost Theo some YAC on two throws, but still completed them. Still, we should never have been trailing this game in the 4th quarter. Pitt is not good, but into the 4th we were one huge (running) play away from being shut out. I don't know if Crist is the answer, but Rees is not good enough to be the unquestioned started. We have to give other people some chances if we want to be a good team.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

This is getting old.
Rees is regressing as a quarterback.
It's scary to think that he's our best option at this point with a 5 and two 4 star quarterbacks on the bench.

 

[NDisme]

next week is purdue, no reason why we shouldn't dominate the pace and play of that game, imo golson has to play and get some experience under his belt because he is the future not rees

 

[meowmix]

Rees was pretty terrible this game. Other than the go-ahead drive, he was awful. He was throwing into tight coverage and overall making bad decisions. The advantage he has over Dayne is that Dayne goes into a shell after a mistake while Tommy has the kicker mentality where every drive is a new one - he bounces back extremely well. However, if he has another awful half like the first half, he should be benched.

 

[ThePiombino]

Rees was pretty terrible this game. Other than the go-ahead drive, he was awful. He was throwing into tight coverage and overall making bad decisions. The advantage he has over Dayne is that Dayne goes into a shell after a mistake while Tommy has the kicker mentality where every drive is a new one - he bounces back extremely well. However, if he has another awful half like the first half, he should be benched.

Not to mention Pitt dropped two or three other potential INT opportunities. This game could have been WAY worse. We got lucky, which in and of itself is a nice change of pace to the season thus far.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Rees has two plays:
1. Stare down Floyd
2. Stare down Eifert

I couldn't count the number of times Theo and TJ were open and Tommy's forcing it into double coverage.
Get a F-ing Clue Man!

ADAPT

 

[ThePiombino]

Rees has two plays:
1. Stare down Floyd
2. Stare down Efiert

I couldn't count the number of times Theo and TJ were open and Tommy's forcing it into double coverage.
Get a F-ing Clue Man!

ADAPT

Rees is clearly having a very hard time getting through his progressions.

 

[TIDROW40]

I understand being loyal to your QB, but when is enough, enough! Rees looked horrible. It appears that he is regressing every game. It looks like he is so worried about throwing an INT that he is locking onto his first read. Prime example: on our first drive of the second half, Rees locked onto Wood on a swing and never looked off of him when it wasn't there. A CHANGE IS NEEDED!

 

[DuffHouse12]

when was the last time Dayne Crist had a drive like Rees had to win that game?

Rees has had 2 drives like that THIS SEASON (Michigan ended up being a loss), not to mention a game winning drive @ USC!!!!

Crist NEVER has. I will wait for someone to point out a signature Crist drive that doesn't end with him passing the ball to the tuba player.

 

[ThePiombino]

when was the last time Dayne Crist had a drive like Rees had to win that game?

Rees has had 2 drives like that THIS SEASON (Michigan ended up being a loss), not to mention a game winning drive @ USC!!!!

Crist NEVER has. I will wait for someone to point out a signature Crist drive that doesn't end with him passing the ball to the tuba player.

Such a short memory. Go back and watch some of the early games from last year. Crist had several drives in which he led a march down the field that led to a TD, a few of which he RAN IN (somthing Tommy could never do).

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Rees has two plays:
1. Stare down Floyd
2. Stare down Eifert

I couldn't count the number of times Theo and TJ were open and Tommy's forcing it into double coverage.
Get a F-ing Clue Man!

ADAPT

Wow...I don't agree at all.

Tommy is looking all over the field. He favors Floyd, which make sense. But, Dayne always targeted the first receiver and didn't ever adjust. Maybe it would be different if he got in now, but he had a terrible time adjusting to coverages.

 

[DuffHouse12]

8 for 8, 70+ yards and a TD+2 to win the game on the road, against a rival.

sorry - Crist did that ZERO times.

 

[koonja]

8 for 8, 70+ yards and a TD+2 to win the game on the road, against a rival.

sorry - Crist did that ZERO times.

Did Crist ever go against the worst passing defense in the country and need a 4th quarter comeback in order to win?

I'm not saying Crist is hands down better than Tommy, but Tommy averages over 2.5 TOs per game.

We have a very low ceiling with Tommy.

A QB who can't run and is a TO machine in the spread? 7-5 season.

 

[EifertPower]

I think now it's just a matter of pride as to why Kelly won't go back to Crist. I was okay with Rees going in the 2nd half of the South Florida game. I also pointed out how he really wasn't much better than Crist that game. Both made a couple bonehead plays that cost us the game. I then defended Rees for the Michigan game and the Mich State game and was okay with him being our QB.

But enough is enough. How do you "win" a QB challenge when you throw 6 INTs and 3 fumbles in 3 1/2 games and retain the job. Crist won the summer challenge. He didn't play great in the first half of the South Florida game and threw a bad redzone INT and his career at ND is over???

I'm not saying Crist will be great or he will be "the guy"...but Rees clearly isn't the guy and Crist deserves a chance. He's being treated completely unfair in my opinion. It's almost like they gave him the starting job just to pull the trigger on him at the first chance while meanwhile Rees gets 9 lives.

Heck, if Jonas Gray doesn't fumble on the 1-yard line Crist's entire season might be different. And yet today it was Gray's 80 yard run that prolongs another week of the Rees misery.

I'm sick of hearing how young and inexperienced Rees is as an excuse. He is in his sophomore year and started a significant amount of games last year and big games, too. He was an early entry and has been in the system for almost 2 years. He's been getting tons of reps in the practices. It was a valid excuse last year. But it's not any more.

My biggest fear is that Golson or Hendrix might be special and we'll wind up having one or both of them transfer because of the allegiance to Rees.

 

[Jonstradamus]

Rees has won some big games recently.

USC, The_U, MSU, PITT,

Crist wanted toplay but I don't think he would have made the plays that Rees did.

Rees looks small, and that he can't play, but he just makes plays, and seems to know how to win. (also the 2nd half USF comeback, UM barnburner)

Rees makes ND competitive and fun to watch.

 

[DuffHouse12]

"Did Crist ever go against the worst passing defense in the country and need a 4th quarter comeback in order to win?"

uhhh bro - first of all its week 4 so its not like Pitt has been the worst pass defense for decades. second - how much did they prepare for Maine v. Notre Dame?

also - i don't know how else to stress this - Rees is not calling the plays. he's the QB. if Crist was out there i would not be blaming him for the coaching. outside of the Gray TD how well did we run it today? no one says bench Cierre.

Rees wins games. Dayne Crist doesn't. proof again today with Tommy winning the game.

 

[koonja]

"Did Crist ever go against the worst passing defense in the country and need a 4th quarter comeback in order to win?"

uhhh bro - first of all its week 4 so its not like Pitt has been the worst pass defense for decades. second - how much did they prepare for Maine v. Notre Dame?

also - i don't know how else to stress this - Rees is not calling the plays. he's the QB. if Crist was out there i would not be blaming him for the coaching. outside of the Gray TD how well did we run it today? no one says bench Cierre.

Rees wins games. Dayne Crist doesn't. proof again today with Tommy winning the game.

If OMM was our QB going into that game I might still pick ND to win. It's not like Rees beating Pitt (worst pass defense in the world) proves anything.

 

[jonesman]

Rees has ZERO running ability and everyone knows. Further, he canNOT throw down field. He is seriously seriously limiting our offense.

Mark my word, our offense is getting figured out. Stop Floyd. Don't worry about any running by the QB. Don't worry about the vertical game except Floyd.

 

[ThePiombino]

Did Crist ever go against the worst passing defense in the country and need a 4th quarter comeback in order to win?

I'm not saying Crist is hands down better than Tommy, but Tommy averages over 2.5 TOs per game.

We have a very low ceiling with Tommy.

A QB who can't run and is a TO machine in the spread? 7-5 season.

I agree with all of this. Crist never won a game on the last drive, but then again he never failed on the last drive either. He came up big on a lot of big drives that didn't happen to be on the final drive of the game, but that's semantics IMO.

Tommy was a great game manager that seems to have become a decent game manager. He doesn't have ANY of the physical tools that can makeup for that. So at this point, what does he have to offer that Dayne doesn't? Tommy is responsible for 9 TOs through 3 1/2 game- NINE TURNOVERS!!! That's ridiculous. If he can't protect the ball then what is he adding to the offense that Danye can't? All he's doing is reducing the size of the field because of the lack of arm strength, which only helps the opposing defense.

 

[ThePiombino]

Rees has won some big games recently.

USC, The_U, MSU, PITT,

Crist wanted toplay but I don't think he would have made the plays that Rees did.

Rees looks small, and that he can't play, but he just makes plays, and seems to know how to win. (also the 2nd half USF comeback, UM barnburner)

Rees makes ND competitive and fun to watch.

1/2 of those ND won DESPITE Tommy.

 

[DuffHouse12]

why do people ONLY look at this season? Crist played QB for Notre Dame longer than just 2 quarters against USF.

"Summer Challenge"? get outta here with that. its not a game. you in here talkin bout PRACTICE? Tommy and Dayne BOTH played last season. Tommy was better then and now. hasn't changed. just accept it and you'll enjoy the season much more.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I can understand not being comfortable with Rees, he makes way tooo many mistakes. But, for the life of me, I can not understand how anyone could want Dayne Crist playing quarterback. He is terrible. He throws to the outlet reciever every play.

Rees does staredown receivers, but Dayne doesn't even look at them. His game is 5 yards passes 120 mph into the dirt.

Rees is not going to win ND a title, but will win ND a bowl game. Dayne wouldn't get ND into a bowl game

 

[ThePiombino]

"Did Crist ever go against the worst passing defense in the country and need a 4th quarter comeback in order to win?"

uhhh bro - first of all its week 4 so its not like Pitt has been the worst pass defense for decades. second - how much did they prepare for Maine v. Notre Dame?

also - i don't know how else to stress this - Rees is not calling the plays. he's the QB. if Crist was out there i would not be blaming him for the coaching. outside of the Gray TD how well did we run it today? no one says bench Cierre.

Rees wins games. Dayne Crist doesn't. proof again today with Tommy winning the game.

Two points of contention:

1) Rees may not be making the calls, but he's the one going through the progressions and staring down receivers...

2) Did you even watch the game? Wood had damn-near 100 yards on the ground without having much to work wtih. Why would anyone be calling for him to be benched?

 

[meowmix]

Just think how badly this game would have ended if not for Jonas' 80-yard run. The offense was completely stagnant until that point, largely due to Rees. I really feel that with Crist's ability to push the ball upfield, this game could have been well-in-hand by the 3rd.

 

[DuffHouse12]

so much denial in this thread its not even funny. Dayne Crist never failed on the final drive???? what? this from the same cat who said "look at tape from early last season" when Crist threw the ball to the tuba player on 4th against Michigan to end the game. good job.

we'll see where Pitt's pass D ranks at the end of the year.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

1/2 of those ND won DESPITE Tommy.

And yet, we haven't ever won a game despite Dayne. I don't really have a horse in this race, but it's hard to ignore their records as starting QBs.

 

[DuffHouse12]

ok so we had equally effective pass and running games, my point is why would we then bench the QB? your making my point man.

i love the avatar btw, and i think i had you confused with someone else when i said "this from the cat who said..." so i wanna say my bad for that.

 

[Chicago Irish Fan]

We should go with Hendrix or Golson at this point. Here are the problems with Rees and Crist.

Rees: No arm strength, fumbles way too much, stares down his receivers, hardly ever goes to his secondary options, and has no mobility.

Crist: Terrible accuracy, no composure, doesn't understand the offense, stares down his receivers, and has very limited mobility.

Most of the problems for Rees and Crist are mistakes that inexperienced quarterbacks make. If our experienced QBs are playing like inexperienced QBs, then why not play our more talented inexperienced QBs that, at worst, will make the mistakes that Crist and Rees were already making over and over again?

 

[DuffHouse12]

largely due to Rees? NO. THIS IS FALSE. it was largely due to the Pitt Defensive game plan and the lack of one by BK and the OC.

grrrrr!!!!!! the interwebs make me so frustrated.