Crist vs Rees

[Grahambo]

Crist vs. Rees: Breaking down all of Dayne’s throws | Inside the Irish

Keith Arnold with a statistical breakdown of Crist's throws on Saturday. This was an interesting stat:

Michael Floyd with Crist: 2 catches, 37 yards
Michael Floyd with Tommy Rees: 10 catches, 117 yards, 2 touchdowns

 

[GoldenDomer2357]

Where Crist has the physical tools and sometimes lacks the mental part of the game, Rees has slightly less refined tools but is significantly more mentally competent. This starts with your point here. Rees has the mental cognizance to find the playmaker, Floyd, under pressure.

 

[caligold]

All I know is when Rees has been in the game I feel like ND offense can move the ball. When Crist is in the game I find myself constantly thinking, the offense will stall.

And when Jonas touches the ball I am always worried a lah Ryan Grant!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This article was posted and discussed yesterday in the Post Game Observations thread.

Arnold will be posting a similar breakdown for Rees' throws today.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

All I know is when Rees has been in the game I feel like ND offense can move the ball. When Crist is in the game I find myself constantly thinking, the offense will stall.

And when Jonas touches the ball I am always worried a lah Ryan Grant!

You take that back...Grant was a solid RB for ND and only had fumbling problem his freshman year.

 

[TerryTate]

I was one of the biggest Crist supporters this entire offseason. However, accuracy has been an issue for him in an offense where slants and short routes are key to success.

I am becoming a Rees fan. He gets the ball out quickly. He makes a decision and delivers it. The team seems to react well around him. While he doesn't have the accolades that Crist has, he's a better fit for this offense.

I have been proven wrong.

That Keith Arnold article is really good for those of you that want to voice your opinion. I suggest you read / watch that article before clamoring in this thread.

 

[ulukinatme]

You take that back...Grant was a solid RB for ND and only had fumbling problem his freshman year.

I agree, I thought Grant was solid through most of his career, however Gray has unfortunately had a steady string of ball control problems throughout his entire career and none may have been more costly than the one last week. Grant is a solid NFL RB too, and you don't get that way with having problems holding onto the ball.

Between Tommy and Crist, I like Tommy in there. Crist has the tools and supposidely a better grasp of the offense. Tommy seems to perform better though, is cooler in the pocket, and has better short game accuracy which is very important. Crist can be productive, but Tommy just seems to put points on the board despite being a younger QB. They both will make mistakes, but you have to look at it this way...Crist had the benefit of a running game in the first half last week, Tommy didn't. USF was looking for the pass every play when Tommy was in, and he was still putting points on the board when Crist was not. Was Crist bad? No, not at all. Not everything that went on in the first half was his fault, but he definitely stalled on more drives and it put us in a bad position in the second half. I feel sorry for Crist, but unless Tommy takes a step back or has a slow game, I think Tommy is our QB and stand behind him.

 

[tko]

Crist= red adidas hat
Rees= gold helmet on

 

[DCirishfan]

I will say this again. The talent descrepency between Rees and Crist is severe. The fact that Rees is starting does not really look too good on Kelly's ability to A) coach him up and B) modify his system to take advantage a five star four year qb.

I will add that I am a BK fan and support him but I feel this is a fair critique.

 

[TerryTate]

I will say this again. The talent descrepency between Rees and Crist is severe. The fact that Rees is starting does not really look too good on Kelly's ability to A) coach him up and B) modify his system to take advantage a five star four year qb.

I will add that I am a BK fan and support him but I feel this is a fair critique.

Not sure which game you're looking at. Crist's "talent" is not translating on the field. Rees has improved his arm strength this year. I was a Crist supporter this whole off season. He hasn't played like a 5 star, so stop harping on it.

Rees threw for almost 300 yards in a half. The offense might be toned down slightly, but you're way too dramatic about this.

 

[irishff1014]

Overall i do believe that Crist has the most talent. For some reason he just can't seem to get it all together. Maybe he is just trying to hard.

 

[phgreek]

Not sure which game you're looking at. Crist's "talent" is not translating on the field. Rees has improved his arm strength this year. I was a Crist supporter this whole off season. He hasn't played like a 5 star, so stop harping on it.

Rees threw for almost 300 yards in a half. The offense might be toned down slightly, but you're way too dramatic about this.

Agree here...watch the game again...watch the speed of recognition, and then the space between defender(s) and receiver when the ball is arriving...not when it is released...thats the story.

I too thought because DC was faster, had a stronger arm, bigger, better grasp of the Xs and Os...all that added up to an advantage...it doesn't. He does not recognize, and his release is slower...well and accuracy has been off and on with him.

...so yea with DC the ball comes out like a rocket but in comparison...tommy takes better advantage of the space the receiver creates because he recognizes quicker, and has a quicker release.

Easiest way to say it is...Tommy delivers the ball where it needs to be, when it needs to be there more consistantly in game time...bottom line.

As well, its actually an advantage with our delicate-handed receiver corps to have a ball with less heat on it. Apparently under the leprechaun gloves are hands of 90 year old women...I don't think our guys can handle balls with vapor trails...thats not on DC, but it is an apparent advantage to Tommy's production that he throws it softer...Ugh! thats embarasing to have to admit.

 

[gkautz10]

I will say this again. The talent descrepency between Rees and Crist is severe. The fact that Rees is starting does not really look too good on Kelly's ability to A) coach him up and B) modify his system to take advantage a five star four year qb.

I will add that I am a BK fan and support him but I feel this is a fair critique.

guess what? whether you like it or not, a high school players "stars" means very little. if you follow college football at all you would see that every team in America is not made of all 5 stars including Bama and the likes. Those 3 star players ala Tommy have key roles and often times are the better players. They simply try harder day in and day out bc they have to. i think everyone should ignore those damn stars and watch to see how the kid plays on the field. i dont give a s*** if tommy was a 1 star, he is clearly a winner and makes the plays that win games. he throws the ball to mike floyd which dayne does not.

 

[Grahambo]

I think Mayock made a good point about the difference between Crist and Rees. The fact that Rees was brought up in a house where his Dad was a coach/scout and according to Rees, taught him the Cover 2 at age 11 whereas Dayne has talent but his learning curve is different than Tommy's.

 

[gkautz10]

forgot to add....
I truly believe that dayne was destined to fail. What i mean by this is how he was recruited by Weis, was coached half his career by Weis people. He then had to unlearn that system and relearn a new system. he basically had to reboot his brain and forget almsot everything he learned from the previous 2 years. tommy on the other hand came in with a clean slate essentially. so instead of trying to unlearn a system he simply learned the new one. I truly believe that is why tommy has put up better numbers, sucks for dayne but that is the downside of college football and the coaching carousel.

 

[Irish Rogue]

I think a lot of fans are forgetting the fact Crist is coming off major surgery and may be a little rusty. Crist did not lose the game sat, special teams was the biggest reason and the game changing fumble. I don't think you give up on him on one half of football and decide to take the job away. I compare this to what happned to Quinn/Clausen in the pros, they were given too short of leash.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I was a big believer in dayne but im not sure what happened, i really believed he would have a solid year and maybe he still can. But im backing Tommy for the rest of the season. Maybe its just dayne's personality that makes him crumble under pressure i dont know but tommy at this point gives us the best chance to win

 

[rikkitikki08]

I think a lot of fans are forgetting the fact Crist is coming off major surgery and may be a little rusty. Crist did not lose the game sat, special teams was the biggest reason and the game changing fumble. I don't think you give up on him on one half of football and decide to take the job away. I compare this to what happned to Quinn/Clausen in the pros, they were given too short of leash.

While i do agree with this coach kelly obviously did not, im standing by his decision. Kelly wants to win so bad and you can see it, he is making the best decision he sees fit

 

[gkautz10]

While i do agree with this coach kelly obviously did not, im standing by his decision. Kelly wants to win so bad and you can see it, he is making the best decision he sees fit

dont get me wrong i love coach kelly, but i hope he doesnt get desperate and press too much. i hope he continues to trust his system and plan he has. if he sticks to his plan, then the wins will eventually come. we all need to be patient as well. regardless of how things work out the next few years, i want to see him here for 5 years atleast so we can see one of his recruting classes all the way through. I may be young (21) but i do not remember a ND coach having that opportunity.

 

[TerryTate]

dont get me wrong i love coach kelly, but i hope he doesnt get desperate and press too much. i hope he continues to trust his system and plan he has. if he sticks to his plan, then the wins will eventually come. we all need to be patient as well. regardless of how things work out the next few years, i want to see him here for 5 years atleast so we can see one of his recruting classes all the way through. I may be young (21) but i do not remember a ND coach having that opportunity.

Weis had 5 years.

 

[ErieIrish13]

After seeing all of Christs' throws, I don't think he should of been pulled. I remember him playing worse than he actually did. With that being said, I have faith in Tommy and Coach Kelly and believe he made the right decision starting Rees against Michigan this week.

 

[gkautz10]

Weis had 5 years.

ya i lost all hope with him after year 3 so i didnt expect anything from him/ could have cared less if he was around for one more day after 36 months. kelly has his **** together and this team will also.

 

[irishff1014]

I think a lot of fans are forgetting the fact Crist is coming off major surgery and may be a little rusty. Crist did not lose the game sat, special teams was the biggest reason and the game changing fumble. I don't think you give up on him on one half of football and decide to take the job away. I compare this to what happned to Quinn/Clausen in the pros, they were given too short of leash.

You do make a very good point. Yes a game is much different then practice. If Jonas doesn't fumble we aren't having this thread right now along with some other. However I trust Keely is making the right move.

 

[NYIrish14]

Impressed with Tommy's improved pocket presence. He is much better at moving around in the pocket to avoid the rush and still delivering a quality ball to recievers. Looking forward to seeing how good he will play when they are actually able to run the ball and add more balance to the offense.

 

[BeatSC]

Rees just looked sharper all around

Rees just looked sharper all around

I think Crist is a great guy and we are all routing for him but we also want our team to have the best chance to win from here on out. The only thing I like about Crist on the field better than Tommy is his ability to take off and actually pick up some yards. Other than that he puts the ball where it needs to be. His balls also look alot better when thrown than Daynes. Dayne has velocity and wobble on the ball. no the bets combination for catching. I also feel bad that Dayne got to host the main receivers again this summer while TR was thought to be the backup. Rees will get his chance and if he doesn't fo better the 7-15, 95 yards and one int & no points then I expect to see Dayne get another chance in the second half.

 

[DuffHouse12]

Rees is a more accurate passer than Crist. is that not a physical tool?

even when Rees throws over guys heads, it looks he's thinking "well this might be too high but no one's open and i don't want a sack or a pick, maybe 3 (or 6 or 7) will make a play."

i keep hearing about Crist's "tools and skills" just being how he looks. he's bigger, faster stronger but he's not a better QB.

read moneyball, they talk about this concept.

 

[DuffHouse12]

more realistically, Rees does a great job using check-downs and getting into better 3rd down yardage. Crist was constantly forcing on 1st down, and getting stuck in 3rd and long situations and throwing short.

last years michigan game... for example.

 

[irishff1014]

I wonder if might might see a combo of the 2 any point.

 

[DillonHall]

Who cares about physical tools? This isn't the NFL combine. Rees is clearly the better option than Crist (and I've been a Crist supporter up to this point).

 

[irishff1014]

I don't believe that. If you are as good as QB as Crist was coming out of college he shold be able to make those adjustments. But one thing Tommy has going for him is that his dad is a coach and can help Tommy all the time.