COVID-19

[sixstar]

alternatively, i will keep posting data and studies

Fuck'em ... My sympathy meter is at an all time low.

Meanwhile, those who did the research and analyzed actual data were willing to speak out against the official narrative with nothing to gain, other than the hopes of warning the public of potential covid vax dangers so they could make informed decisions.

stark contrast.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Seems like I struck a nerve. Must be talking about you eh? Nothing will convince you folks. The idiot Cali lib moms of the 2000s are today’s MAGA.

Way to show your ignorance with assumption. Really need to work on those critical thinking skills. I am in no way MAGA, but thanks for playing. This isn’t political, but if that’s the only way your brain functions you at least fit in with a lot of other brain washed Americans.

By the way me calling you a dick head was hyperbole/sarcasm but I guess you couldn’t pick that up either even though I blatantly said as much in the very next sentence.

The only thing about you that triggers me is your total lack of self awareness, but that’s a me thing I am working on.

 

[GATTACA!]

Way to show your ignorance with assumption. Really need to work on those critical thinking skills. I am in no way MAGA, but thanks for playing. This isn’t political, but if that’s the only way your brain functions you at least fit in with a lot of other brain washed Americans.

Sorry. I must have taken too much Tylenol last night.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Sorry. I must have taken too much Tylenol last night.

Trying to lower a fever from measles maybe?

Measles is probably the second biggest comeback in 2025 besides Oasis going on tour again.

They're quite popular in Texas right now. More than Arch Manning anyway.

Peak, as the kids say.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Sorry. I must have taken too much Tylenol last night.

Again not MAGA but holy shit you are ignorant. Way to do nothing but divide and hurt your own cause. Not worth another second of my time.

 

[AKRowdy]

Incredible post. Pulling this summary together couldn't have been easy.

Not going to quote the whole long post and I am going to regret posting in this thread as I believe everyone has a right to choose.

With that being said RSV is indeed a deadly virus. Especially in infants and the elderly. This is coming from someone who has seen it first hand in my family and at work.

 

[GATTACA!]

Not going to quote the whole long post and I am going to regret posting in this thread as I believe everyone has a right to choose.

With that being said RSV is indeed a deadly virus. Especially in infants and the elderly. This is coming from someone who has seen it first hand in my family and at work.

yOu’Re iGnOrAnT!

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Not going to quote the whole long post and I am going to regret posting in this thread as I believe everyone has a right to choose.

With that being said RSV is indeed a deadly virus. Especially in infants and the elderly. This is coming from someone who has seen it first hand in my family and at work.

Well, not everyone.

 

[sixstar]

How anti-vaxxers thinks vaccines work

9 of the top 10 vaccine producing companies in the world are publicly owned: Pfizer, GSK, Merck, Sanofi, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, Sinovac, and Novavax. The only private company in the top 10 is Serum Institute of India (#8).

The primary goal of a public company: maximize shareholder value.
The primary goal of a publicly owned pharma company: maximize shareholder value; not your healthcare. The primary way they do this: revenue growth. They aren't intrinsically motivated to make you healthy because that would cut their sales. We can all agree that this is logical, correct?

Also: pharma and health companies are the #1 biggest lobbying group in the US - by far.
Pharma companies spent $388M on lobbying in 2024.
This is more than #2 (insurance) and #3 (electronics/tech) combined ($309M). #4 is defense at $147M.


I'm surprised so many of you blindly and loyally support publicly owned companies that operate with the primary goal of maximizing revenue off of you, and who spend more on influencing politicians than any other industry in the US.

But, by all means, keep mocking those who are skeptical.

 

[ndfanatic78]

9 of the top 10 vaccine producing companies in the world are publicly owned: Pfizer, GSK, Merck, Sanofi, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, Sinovac, and Novavax. The only private company in the top 10 is Serum Institute of India (#8).

The primary goal of a public company: maximize shareholder value.
The primary goal of a publicly owned pharma company: maximize shareholder value; not your healthcare. The primary way they do this: revenue growth. They aren't intrinsically motivated to make you healthy because that would cut their sales. We can all agree that this is logical, correct?

Also: pharma and health companies are the #1 biggest lobbying group in the US - by far.
Pharma companies spent $388M on lobbying in 2024.
This is more than #2 (insurance) and #3 (electronics/tech) combined ($309M). #4 is defense at $147M.


I'm surprised so many of you blindly and loyally support publicly owned companies that operate with the primary goal of maximizing revenue off of you, and who spend more on influencing politicians than any other industry in the US.

But, by all means, keep mocking those who are skeptical.

god i wish i was half as articulate as you.

 

[sixstar]

With that being said RSV is indeed a deadly virus. Especially in infants and the elderly. This is coming from someone who has seen it first hand in my family and at work.

Sorry to hear about your losses.

But to clarify, I am not saying that zero people die from RSV. RSV can cause death (100-500 deaths annually in children under 5, 6k-10k deaths annually in ages > 65; primarily those with underlying health conditions), but it is not considered a deadly virus.

Also: vaccines and monoclonal antibodies are already available for RSV.

 

[GATTACA!]

Sorry to hear about your losses.

But to clarify, I am not saying that zero people die from RSV. RSV can cause death (100-500 deaths annually in children under 5, 6k-10k deaths annually in ages > 65; primarily those with underlying health conditions), but it is not considered a deadly virus.

Also: vaccines and monoclonal antibodies are already available for RSV.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

P

god i wish i was half as articulate as you.

What was your ACT score?

 

[ndfanatic78]

What was your ACT score?

A lot higher than what the current head coach’s was reported to be.🤣

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Doesn't matter what you do....you will never please a Democrat

​

I want to die old on a mattress with a tad bit of dignity.

And I want this for everyone else, too.

Not Nazis, though. And if they don't like it, stop doing Nazi shit.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

A lot higher than what the current head coach’s was reported to be.🤣

 

[sixstar]

I don't understand you all. The autism impact from these studies (that you mock) far outweighs the COVID shot benefits (that you champion).

The Trump administration reviewed 46 studies. 27 of the 46 studies reported a statistically significant (p < 0.05) association between prenatal acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders. Keep in mind systematic study reviews (like the one the Trump admin did here) is generally considered one of the strongest forms of scientific evidence because it aggregates data from multiple sources to reduce bias and increase statistical significance.

The cited studies reported odds radios (ORs) for ASD ranging from 1.2 to 2.0. Against baseline unexposed population (~1.5k for 100k children per year), this results in an additional 300 - 1500 cases per 100k per year.

For reference to COVID shots, which many of you seem to champion here (and we will use the average poster age group 40-49 years):

1. Hospitalization rate:
   1. unvax: 5.38 per 100k
   2. 3-dose: 4.16 per 100k
2. Death rate:
   1. unvax: 0.56 per 100k
   2. 3-dose: 0.14 per 100k

In absolute terms, that means the impact difference of tylenol/autism rates vs vax/covid outcome rates is:

1. 246-1,230x larger than the hospitalization rate difference
2. 714-3,571x larger than the death rate difference

So, you hype the COVID shot's 0.42 - 1.22 per 100k impact while ignoring the 300.0 -1500.0 per 100k impact of the acetaminophen studies?

 

[ndfanatic78]

I don't understand you all. The autism impact from these studies (that you mock) far outweighs the COVID shot benefits (that you champion).

The Trump administration reviewed 46 studies. 27 of the 46 studies reported a statistically significant (p < 0.05) association between prenatal acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders. Keep in mind systematic study reviews (like the one the Trump admin did here) is generally considered one of the strongest forms of scientific evidence because it aggregates data from multiple sources to reduce bias and increase statistical significance.

The cited studies reported odds radios (ORs) for ASD ranging from 1.2 to 2.0. Against baseline unexposed population (~1.5k for 100k children per year), this results in an additional 300 - 1500 cases per 100k per year.

For reference to COVID shots, which many of you seem to champion here (and we will use the average poster age group 40-49 years):

1. Hospitalization rate:
   1. unvax: 5.38 per 100k
   2. 3-dose: 4.16 per 100k
2. Death rate:
   1. unvax: 0.56 per 100k
   2. 3-dose: 0.14 per 100k

In absolute terms, that means the impact difference of tylenol/autism rates vs vax/covid outcome rates is:

1. 246-1,230x larger than the hospitalization rate difference
2. 714-3,571x larger than the death rate difference

So, you hype the COVID shot's 0.42 - 1.22 per 100k impact while ignoring the 300.0 -1500.0 per 100k impact of the acetaminophen studies?

You are arguing against Trump derangement syndrome. It doesn’t matter what ever he says or does they will fight no matter what. Giving them evidence will not help. It’s very similar to what happened to intelligent republicans with Obama. Even when they do something good they will never get credit. They can only see things in our side is right and the other side is wrong - good ole tribalism alive and well.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

You are arguing against Trump derangement syndrome. It doesn’t matter what ever he says or does they will fight no matter what. Giving them evidence will not help. It’s very similar to what happened to intelligent republicans with Obama. Even when they do something good they will never get credit. They can only see things in our side is right and the other side is wrong - good ole tribalism alive and well.

He's always so eloquent, intelligent, succinct and on point. Can't imagine why people wouldn't take him seriously and question his judgment as anything less than state of the art.

Measured, temperate, mature. Not like he acts like a drunken toddler or addled senior at all.

I remember Operation Warp Speed. Great stuff.

 

[ndfanatic78]

He's always so eloquent, intelligent, succinct and on point. Can't imagine why people wouldn't take him seriously and question his judgment as anything less than state of the art.

Measured, temperate, mature. Not like he acts like a drunken toddler or addled senior at all.

I remember Operation Warp Speed. Great stuff.

What’s your excuse for Republicans and Obama? Don’t get me wrong I am not a fan of either nor do I really care about their words. They both lie their asses off. Obama definitely did it more eloquently but lies and misinformation is the same whether in a pretty package or a jumbled mess.

I am talking about their administrations actions and what is actually behind their words. Again I would agree that 99% of the shit Trump says is non-sense but he has actually done things that are positive for the American people, I would argue not much but neither have the Dems nor did Obama. I don’t get why anyone commits whole heartedly to any one group or idea, same with religion. None of them are 100% and everything lies some where in the grey.

Let me also say I am not saying acetaminophen causes autism or that Covid shots cause harm or not but we should be able to discuss without politics or degrading each other.

 

[IrishBryan77]

I don't care what y'all vote....I love you whores regardless. 🤣

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

What’s your excuse for Republicans and Obama?

He was a Socialist Kenyan Chicago Gangster.

 

[SportsingHard]

I don't care what y'all vote....I love you whores regardless. 🤣

 

[Valpodoc85]

I don't understand you all. The autism impact from these studies (that you mock) far outweighs the COVID shot benefits (that you champion).

The Trump administration reviewed 46 studies. 27 of the 46 studies reported a statistically significant (p < 0.05) association between prenatal acetaminophen use and neurodevelopmental disorders. Keep in mind systematic study reviews (like the one the Trump admin did here) is generally considered one of the strongest forms of scientific evidence because it aggregates data from multiple sources to reduce bias and increase statistical significance.

The cited studies reported odds radios (ORs) for ASD ranging from 1.2 to 2.0. Against baseline unexposed population (~1.5k for 100k children per year), this results in an additional 300 - 1500 cases per 100k per year.

For reference to COVID shots, which many of you seem to champion here (and we will use the average poster age group 40-49 years):

1. Hospitalization rate:
   1. unvax: 5.38 per 100k
   2. 3-dose: 4.16 per 100k
2. Death rate:
   1. unvax: 0.56 per 100k
   2. 3-dose: 0.14 per 100k

In absolute terms, that means the impact difference of tylenol/autism rates vs vax/covid outcome rates is:

1. 246-1,230x larger than the hospitalization rate difference
2. 714-3,571x larger than the death rate difference

So, you hype the COVID shot's 0.42 - 1.22 per 100k impact while ignoring the 300.0 -1500.0 per 100k impact of the acetaminophen studies?

Not sure where those numbers are from. Chat gbt tells me the current vaccine carries a 41-75% effectiveness against hospitalization. I'll let you sort out the difference between efficacy and effectiveness. From my perspective a decrease in severity of that magnitude for a single shot with very little risk is worth while but maybe some of you enjoy hospital food

 

[GoIrish41]

He was a Socialist Kenyan Chicago Gangster.

Lets not t forget that damn tan suit … he was the devil incarnate.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Not sure where those numbers are from. Chat gbt tells me the current vaccine carries a 41-75% effectiveness against hospitalization. I'll let you sort out the difference between efficacy and effectiveness. From my perspective a decrease in severity of that magnitude for a single shot with very little risk is worth while but maybe some of you enjoy hospital food

Ok did you read his whole post? If you agree with taking the shot would also recommend to preganant woman they should not take acetaminophen unless there is no choice based on the data provided?

 

[IrishBryan77]

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Finally some recognition eh? 🤣🤣🤣

 

[sixstar]

Not sure where those numbers are from. Chat gbt tells me the current vaccine carries a 41-75% effectiveness against hospitalization. I'll let you sort out the difference between efficacy and effectiveness. From my perspective a decrease in severity of that magnitude for a single shot with very little risk is worth while but maybe some of you enjoy hospital food

UK HSA's raw data. The only country that published raw data, properly age and vax status stratified. It was the most robust and well-documented raw data in the world throughout the pandemic. It was the global gold standard of tracking data, updated weekly.

 

[irishnd31]

How anti-vaxxers thinks vaccines work
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Holy shit. Now it gives you a horrible haircut too????

 

[Bluto]

9 of the top 10 vaccine producing companies in the world are publicly owned: Pfizer, GSK, Merck, Sanofi, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, Sinovac, and Novavax. The only private company in the top 10 is Serum Institute of India (#8).

The primary goal of a public company: maximize shareholder value.
The primary goal of a publicly owned pharma company: maximize shareholder value; not your healthcare. The primary way they do this: revenue growth. They aren't intrinsically motivated to make you healthy because that would cut their sales. We can all agree that this is logical, correct?

Also: pharma and health companies are the #1 biggest lobbying group in the US - by far.
Pharma companies spent $388M on lobbying in 2024.
This is more than #2 (insurance) and #3 (electronics/tech) combined ($309M). #4 is defense at $147M.


I'm surprised so many of you blindly and loyally support publicly owned companies that operate with the primary goal of maximizing revenue off of you, and who spend more on influencing politicians than any other industry in the US.

But, by all means, keep mocking those who are skeptical.

The current crony capitalist model and concentration of corporate power as well as taking any guardrails off the whole lobbying thing has been championed by the right for as long as I can remember and they have been wildly successful at it.

Go thank/wag your finger at GOP reps and the shitty right wing judges who make up the majority on the Supreme Court for the current state of affairs related to how much power and influence these corporate assholes have.